Should Christians support Rebuilding of Jerusalem Third Temple.

Should Christians support Jerusalem Third Temple?

  • Yes... the words of Ezekiel must come to pass.

    Votes: 9 12.5%
  • No.... it will lead to the rise of the Anti-Christ fellow.

    Votes: 9 12.5%
  • Yes.... living waters will flow from the restored Third Temple.

    Votes: 2 2.8%
  • No... Christians must not support animal sacrifice.

    Votes: 38 52.8%
  • I am not certain but I will research this question further.

    Votes: 9 12.5%
  • No... this could cause a war to break out.

    Votes: 5 6.9%

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It will be not by power or by might but by HIS SPIRIT

If one declares to know HIM they should know HIS SPIRIT and reflect HIS GOODNESS and HIS MERCY and HIS GRACE

They should have grown up into the full measure of CHRIST and able to discern the difference between works wrought of the wrong kingdom from the works wrought in GOD

They shall be known by their fruits

In the last days many who professed his name will make manifest if it was only lip service

Joe 1:9 The meat offering and the drink offering is cut off from the house of the LORD; the priests, the LORD'S ministers, mourn.
Joe 1:10 The field is wasted, the land mourneth; for the corn is wasted: the new wine is dried up, the oil languisheth.
It will be not by power or by might but by HIS SPIRIT

Do you not know that the Spirit is in His Word?

Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

I was truly hoping you would hear the things I wrote ACCORDING TO HIS WORD.
 
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“Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,”

When those at Jerusalem perceieved that God was raising up again the tabernacle of David ... was it literal to them ...
And yet "zerubabbel's" hand laid the foundation and his hand will complete it
 
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Joe 1:9 The meat offering and the drink offering is cut off from the house of the LORD; the priests, the LORD'S ministers, mourn.
Joe 1:10 The field is wasted, the land mourneth; for the corn is wasted: the new wine is dried up, the oil languisheth



Do you not know that the Spirit is in His Word?

Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

I was truly hoping you would hear the things I wrote ACCORDING TO HIS WORD.
Do you not know that HIS WORD/HIS SPIRIT are in those who have been baptized and born of HIM through faith in HIS WORD?

Do you not know that HE is THE WORD made flesh
 
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IMHO, this verse is one very misunderstood. I did a pretty thorough study on it a while back and the word "fear" as translated can also mean "reverance" and not fear as in what we consider being scared.

So Paul is saying to look at themselves and make sure they are saved and give their salvation all the time and respect it deserves.

This is not "fear" used as we know it in our English language

Php 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Php 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

I Know. I'm a little frustrated now but you have to see that Paul had understanding of scripture, and you can be sure that the scripture He wrote in Philippians was related to this:

Jer 33:9 And it shall be to me a name of joy, a praise and an honour before all the nations of the earth, which shall hear all the good that I do unto them: and they shall fear and tremble for all the goodness and for all the prosperity that I procure unto it.

Because, His goodness is his pleasure:

2Th 1:11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:
I hear what your saying.


Personally, I stay very clear from being overly critical of the Jews because of these NT verses.

Genesis 12:2-3

2And I will make you a great nation, And I will bless you, And make your name great; And so you shall be a blessing; 3And I will bless those who bless you, And the one who curses you I will curse. And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed." 4So Abram went forth as the LORD had spoken to him; and Lot went with him

Romans 9:6
6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel

God is not finished with Israel, that's for sure and that is one controversy I stay out of.

Probably, a wise idea, I know I have lots of flaws, and who am I to judge.
 
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Php 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Php 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

I Know. I'm a little frustrated now but you have to see that Paul had understanding of scripture, and you can be sure that the scripture He wrote in Philippians was related to this:

Jer 33:9 And it shall be to me a name of joy, a praise and an honour before all the nations of the earth, which shall hear all the good that I do unto them: and they shall fear and tremble for all the goodness and for all the prosperity that I procure unto it.

Because, His goodness is his pleasure:

2Th 1:11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:


Probably, a wise idea, I know I have lots of flaws, and who am I to judge.
I am not getting what you are trying to say.
 
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The Jews through Abraham never stopped being God's chosen people. That covenant is going no where. It is eternal.

So ALL Jews who ever lived are saved without Christ?
 
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Your distaste in your older brother
The unbelieving jew

What Distaste?
I treat all Christ rejectors equally.
Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, Hindu, Pagan, Atheist, etc..
They ALL need to hear the Gospel.
I do not give one class of Christ rejector a special pass from that, do you?
 
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Good enough, the talk about who is a real Jew or not and the Jews like Paul were so far away from God, but yet God raised up Paul for to do His work. So no matter how we feel about certain peoples or nations, it is God who raises one and sets the other down. And its not according to our own merit.

Indeed.
God is not a respecter of persons.

DNA is of no consequence today.

The Christ Rejecting Jew will suffer in the Lake of Fire for eternity right next to the Christ Rejecting Muslim.
 
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Indeed.
God is not a respecter of persons.

DNA is of no consequence today.

The Christ Rejecting Jew will suffer in the Lake of Fire for eternity right next to the Christ Rejecting Muslim.

God is not a respecter of persons, but He is a keeper of Covenants.
 
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What Distaste?
I treat all Christ rejectors equally.
Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, Hindu, Pagan, Atheist, etc..
They ALL need to hear the Gospel.
I do not give one class of Christ rejector a special pass from that, do you?
And yet you are preaching CHRIST to CHRIST rejectors

Do you know that if your heart harbors any disdain for the souls of those CHRIST rejectors who need CHRIST, you really can't preach

You have to love them first
 
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And yet you are preaching CHRIST to CHRIST rejectors

Indeed! Praise God!

Do you know that if your heart harbors any disdain for the souls of those CHRIST rejectors who need CHRIST, you really can't preach

You have to love them first

And my comments that indicated to you I don't love them were... which ones?
 
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When did God say the Jews were no longer His chosen people and when did God nullify the Abrahamic Covenant?

At Mt. Sinai, Yahweh said Israel was the "kingly priesthood," the "holy nation," the "peculiar people of God" (Ex 19:5-7). And St. Peter claims that the christians are this very people: "Ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people...Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God" (1 Peter 2:9-10).

Also, Israel was known as "the circumcision" (Eph 2:11; Rom 15:8; Rom 4:9; Rom 3:30), for that was their physical mark of distinction. St. Paul explicitly says that unbelieving Jews were "false circumcision," and states that the Christian sect was the true circumcision: "Beware of the false circumcision; for we are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus" (Phil 3:2-3).

"If you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed" (Gal 3:29)

The first members of the body of Christ were all obedient Israelites. They were obedient Israel, and they went out and taught that the followers of Jesus were the true sons of Abraham.

The "church" is Israel and is Jewish (not gentile) in its origin:
Acts 7:38
This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear. This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers

Acts 2:47
And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. [Note that this "church" exists prior to any gentile inclusion, thus is believing Israel]

The blind disobedient part of Israel was an enemy; but the ELECT and obedient part of Israel was beloved (the apostles, Joseph and Mary, John the baptist, converts like Paul, and all their jewish followers). True Israel passes to the obedient sons (Rom 9:27-29/Rom 11:2-5/1 Cor 10:2-5), and the disobedient sons are cut off from God and the covenant (Acts 3:22-24; cf. Gen 17:14; Lev 18:29; Num 15:30; Ex 12:15). The REMNANT part of Israel was saved (Rom 9:27-29/Rom 11:2-5).

It is crucial to understand that covenant-breaking Hebrews were always removed from among the true people of God (Gen 17:14; Lev 18:29; Num 15:30; Ex 12:15). Moreover, gentile foreigners who converted and faithfully followed the precepts of Moses and the covenant were counted as full members of Israel (Ex 12:48-49). So it was with the gentiles of the apostles' day, who joined themselves to the Jewish church of the Jewish messiah.

"YOU are Abraham's seed."
Israelites were known as Abraham's seed (2 Cor 11:22; Lk 1:55; John 8:33), and St. Paul plainly says "If YOU are Christ's, then YOU are Abraham's seed" (Gal 3:29). As Paul also says elsewhere at Romans 4:16: "For this cause it is of faith, that it may be according to grace, to the end that the promise may be sure TO ALL THE SEED, NOT ONLY TO THAT WHICH IS OF THE LAW, BUT ALSO TO THATH WHICH IS OF THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM, WHO IS THE FATHER OF US ALL."

Gal 3:29 plainly says "If you belong to Christ, then YOU are indeed true descendants of Abraham, and are heirs in fulfilment of the promise."

How can you yourself NOT be counted among Israel when St. Paul calls you "Abraham's seed" (Rom 4:16/Gal 3:29)? How can you NOT be counted among Israel when St. Peter calls you "the peculiar people, royal priesthood, holy nation" (1 Pet 2:9-10), the name given to Israel at Mt. Sinai (Ex 19:5-6)? How can you NOT be counted among Israel when you are the true "circumcision" (Phil 3:2-3)? How can you NOT be counted among Israel when Paul calls you the circumcision-less Israel of God (Gal 6:15-16)? How can you NOT be counted among Israel when Paul says you are "no longer strangers and sojourners but fellow citizens" (Eph 2:19)? How can you NOT be counted among Israel when Paul calls you "a Jew" (Rom 2:27-29)?

And how can you ascribe to disobedient jews the status as God's beloved people when Jesus says: "I know the blasphemy of them who say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of satan" (Rev 2:9/3:9)?

Read this: "Ye were...aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise...[but Christ] hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us...Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens." (Eph 2:12,19)

Gentile converts to christianity go from being "foreigners of the commonwealth of Israel" to "fellow citizens."

The Israelite apostles of the Jewish Messiah say I am a Jew (Rom 2:27-29), say I am "Abraham's seed" (Rom 4:16/Gal 3:29), say I am "the peculiar people, royal priesthood, holy nation" (1 Pet 2:9-10), say I am the circumcision-less Israel of God (Gal 6:15-16), say I am "no longer a stranger but a fellow citizen of Israel" (Eph 2:19), say I was once not a people but now am the people of God (1 Pet 2:10) and say I am the circumcision (Phil 3:2-3).

Each and every one of these statements takes a key identifier/distinctive of Israel and labels me and you with it. Meanwhile, Christ calls the disobedient genetic sons of Abraham the "sons of satan" and the "synagogue of satan" (Rev 2:9/John 8:39-47), and St. John says that those who deny the Son have no claim whatsoever to the Father (1 Jn 2:23)

Why are you teaching the exact opposite of this?
 
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God is not a respecter of persons, but He is a keeper of Covenants.

But Men are not...

Scripture teaches that "Jews" that didn't follow the Torah were excommunicated from among the people of God and were considered heathen (Ex 12:14-15,19; Ex 31:14). Such a person was at that point considered a heathen and not a child of Abraham.

That bears repeating:

There is no such thing as "Jews" that didn't follow the Torah. Such "Jews" were excommunicated from among the people of God and were considered heathen (Ex 12:14-15,19; Ex 31:14). Such a person was at that point considered a heathen and not a child of Abraham.

Today's Jews don't follow the mandatory feasts of Moses. Why don't they do what Moses commanded? Because today's "jews" don't follow the Old Covenant whatsoever, as I have been saying. They don't have anything in common with the ancient Hebrews, nor do they even have their bloodlines, so far as anyone knows. The tribal system went extinct in the first century, and it did so precisely because the Jewish Messiah came and made the faith of Abraham universal to all people groups. In contrast with the Covenant of Moses, The Messiah's Covenant detached from race, from animal sacrifices, from the Temple, from the priestly class of Aaron, and from any earthly city--and it delivered this NEW judaism decades before the OLD judaism went extinct at AD 70. This proves that Christianity was of divine origin. They prophetically foresaw that the Old system was about to vanish (Heb 8:13) and history proves they were true prophets.

Acts 3:22-24. The Rock crushed them (1 Pet 2:7-8/Mt 21:43-45), for they rejected the time of God's visitation (Luke 19:40-44). And this is the same pattern that took place in Isaiah's day and in Elijah's day -- i.e., the REMNANT of the jews is true Israel and the rest are destroyed and do not have any heritage (Rom 9:27/Rom 11:2-5).

Genesis 12:3. The true faith was only TEMPORARILY sequestered to one family's kin [i.e., Abraham's blood descendants]. But the Christ came and made it universal for all the families of the earth. And the Christ's NEW covenant with Israel intentionally detached from lineage, Temple, priestly-class of Aaron, and any particular earthly city.

Romans 2:25-29 shows us how God sees true Jewishness. Namely, a genetic jew, if disobedient to God's will, is viewed by God as an uncircumcised pagan (v.25). Meanwhile the genetic gentile, if obedient to God's will, is viewed by God as a circumcised Jew (v.26), despite his lack of family genetics and the outward marks. Paul teaches that true Jewishness, as God counts it, is based on a man's inward disposition of faith and obedience to God (v.28-29). From this passage we see that You and I are true Jews in God's eyes, whereas outward-only jews like the High Priest Caiaphas surrender their status as Jews in God's eyes. Such jewish persons are uncircumcised pagans, in God's eyes.
 
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At Mt. Sinai, Yahweh said Israel was the "kingly priesthood," the "holy nation," the "peculiar people of God" (Ex 19:5-7). And St. Peter claims that the christians are this very people: "Ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people...Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God" (1 Peter 2:9-10).
If God does not change, then Israel are still God's chosen people.

And Peter does not call Christians the same thing. God's chosen people is a particular phrase with meaning. The term particular people, is then qualified by the next verse "Which in time past were NOT a people, but are now the people of God".
 
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Indeed! Praise God!



And my comments that indicated to you I don't love them were... which ones?
Your post implying favoritism over the moslems who you claim so show "more honor" to Jesus over the Jewish ignorant unbelieving who said something that I care not to repeat
 
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Also, Israel was known as "the circumcision" (Eph 2:11; Rom 15:8; Rom 4:9; Rom 3:30), for that was their physical mark of distinction. St. Paul explicitly says that unbelieving Jews were "false circumcision," and states that the Christian sect was the true circumcision: "Beware of the false circumcision; for we are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus" (Phil 3:2-3).
Almost everything before Christ is a shadow to Christ. The true circumcision is faith and not perfect obedience.

However, you will need to write out those verses that particular refer to them as the circumcism so I can see them.
 
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Wheat and tares

Tell me do you have the ability to declare either

And is it time to harvest?

Further, are you the Lord of the harvest?

Not all who say they are of Israel are of ISRAEL

And outward circumcision is nothing


Further stillll, the promise to Abraham came before the workings of circumcision showing Abraham as the father of faith of both the uncircumcised and the circumcised based on GOD's PROMISE and CALL and DISTINCTION alone

Do not say who will ascend or who will descend
 
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