Dealing with Objectors to the Ten Commandments of God

[EmSw]

Do you understand that more than half the people who have ever lived will die and tell God how they've fulfilled the law, right?

This is the central theme of the entire Bible. It's Christianity 101.

And what else does your crystal ball say?

 

[pescador]

Yes, Jesus kept the commandments perfectly. But I never asked that question. You aren't listening, and that is why you don't have the right answers.

Luke 1:5-6 (NKJV) "There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the division of Abijah. His wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth. And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless."

Perhaps you will say Luke didn't really mean what he said.

I suggest that you stop criticizing others in this discussion. If you want to discuss things with yourself, fine, but a) this is a discussion forum and b) you are not infallible. Everyone has a right to say what they want; they don't have to meet your criteria.

 

[pescador]

What evidence do you have to prove commandment keepers aren't looking at Jesus?

jimmyjimmy said, "The problem here is one of focus. A Christian's gaze is to be upon Christ, not the ten commandments." You distorted what he said. You can't focus on the person of Christ and the ten commandments simultaneously. That is clear and obvious.

 

[EmSw]

jimmyjimmy said, "The problem here is one of focus. A Christian's gaze is to be upon Christ, not the ten commandments." You distorted what he said. You can't focus on the person of Christ and the ten commandments simultaneously. That is clear and obvious.

Do you not believe Jesus is the Word? Do you also not believe the TC are the word of God?

 

[pescador]

woobadooba, why are you trying so hard to convince people of your personal view of what the ten commandments are all about?

Most people, including most non-Christians, know about the ten commandments and, if interested, can find out what they say. Nobody that I know worships the ten commandments, as it should be. They are a few basic laws of the Old Covenant. They are not to be worshiped!

The living Jesus is the Word (logos) of God.

 

[EmSw]

woobadooba, why are you trying so hard to convince people of your personal view of what the ten commandments are all about?

Most people, including most non-Christians, know about the ten commandments and, if interested, can find out what they say. Nobody that I know worships the ten commandments, as it should be. They are a few basic laws of the Old Covenant. They are not to be worshiped!

The living Jesus is the Word (logos) of God.

The Ten Commandments are the Word of God.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Do you not believe Jesus is the Word? Do you also not believe the TC are the word of God?

Well that's a dangerous conflation.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Fireinfolding]

The Ten Commandments are the Word of God.

The Word (Christ) did refer to the commandment in Mark 7:10 given by Moses as the word of God in Mark 7:13 which they made of none effect (which Paul does not) in Ephesians 6:2

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

 

[EmSw]

Well that's a dangerous conflation.

-CryptoLutheran

Really? Do you think the Ten Commandments are the word from the devil? Do you not know the Word was in the beginning? Just what do you think the Word of the Lord is?

 

[woobadooba]

I suggest that you stop criticizing others in this discussion. If you want to discuss things with yourself, fine, but a) this is a discussion forum and b) you are not infallible. Everyone has a right to say what they want; they don't have to meet your criteria.

If you don't like the way I communicate with others, then put me on ignore. I don't have to change for you.

You have been the one on the attack in here. So practice what you preach!

All I have seen coming from you thus far is confusion: you have been taking verses out of context, and making false accusations against commandment keepers.

You have shown a pattern of not listening. Instead, you jump to conclusions.

I think it might be better for you to go back to what you said you were going to do earlier...

I am done with this discussion. Your doctrine doesn't agree with scripture. Keep believing what you will, but I know the truth: we are dead to the law and alive to God in Christ Jesus.

 

[pescador]

If you don't like the way I communicate with others, then put me on ignore. I don't have to change for you.

You have been the one on the attack in here. So practice what you preach!

All I have seen coming from you thus far is confusion: you have been taking verses out of context, and making false accusations against commandment keepers.

You have shown a pattern of not listening. Instead, you jump to conclusions.

I think it might be better for you to go back to what you said you were going to do earlier...

I'll decide that on my own. Your recommendation for me to leave is an incentive for me to stay.

BTW, there is no requirement to listen to your arguments, nor to respond in that way that you would like. Guess what: you're not running the show.

 

[woobadooba]

I'll decide that on my own. Your recommendation for me to leave is an incentive for me to stay.

BTW, there is no requirement to listen to your arguments, nor to respond in that way that you would like. Guess what: you're not running the show.

I see what you are doing in here, and I am not going to let you bully me. From now on, you will be ignored by me.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

I see what you are doing in here, and I am not going to let you bully me. From now on, you will be ignored by me.

I think you just broke a commandment.

 

[woobadooba]

I think you just broke a commandment.

You will also be on ignore now.

 

[pescador]

I see what you are doing in here, and I am not going to let you bully me. From now on, you will be ignored by me.

Thank you!

 

[klutedavid]

I never said that we are.

But I have a question for you: What does the expression, "under the law," mean?

Don't give me a long list of Bible verses. I already know what it means. Just explain briefly, in your own words, what you think being "under the law" means.

Hello woobadooba.

You asked the question.

What does the expression, "under the law," mean?

We know the Jews were under the law since the book of Exodus tell us so.

So is there a difference between a commandment and the law?

Romans 7
7 What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, “You shall not covet.”

Paul refers to the commandments as the law.

How does your church interpret the phrase, the law?

 

[Fireinfolding]

Here also these two are mentioned concerning hearing the law about the law itself (and begins expounding in Abraham)

Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law,
do ye not hear the law?

Then he begins it here

Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

The allegory found between the two

 

[woobadooba]

Hello woobadooba.

You asked the question.

We know the Jews were under the law since the book of Exodus tell us so.

So is there a difference between a commandment and the law?

Romans 7
7 What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, “You shall not covet.”

Paul refers to the commandments as the law.

How does your church interpret the phrase, the law?

Being "under the law" means you are looking to and relying upon the law for salvation. In other words, you are trying to save yourself by means of human-effort.

I am not "under the law," for I look to Jesus as the only way to salvation (see John 14:6).

Our obedience to God's commands is a sign of love, not evidence of being "under the law".

John 14:15 (NKJV) "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

1 John 5:2-3 (NKJV) "By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome."

Romans 3:31 (NKJV) "Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law."

 

[jimmyjimmy]

You will also be on ignore now.

OK.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

"If you love Me, keep My commandments."

What are His commandments?