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Predetermination is, at it's essence, about God working His plan. About God being in control. That includes choosing who is saved, and then saving them, but it encompasses whole God's work on His plan.
What plan? Where do you see a plan where God chooses who is and isn't saved? It's not there. It's an idea that is brought to the text in which passages of Scripture are taken out of context it an effort to find support.
My question about the quote I provided is how it fits with free will understanding of the man, because Assyrians didn't have a choice about it. God lead them to do what He wanted them to do, and then He punished them (seemingly) for doing what He lead them to do. I don't see you addressed that, but ok.
I didn't address it because it's not there. It was the king who was judged. He was judged for his haughty attitude not for what God had him do.
You seem to shrug it off as an exception. Ok. Well, Bible is filled with revelations like that, plus there are many general proclamations that God moves His plan, not man's: "The Lord foils the plans of the nations, He thwarts the purposes of the peoples. But the plans of the Lord stand firm forever, the purposes of His heart through all generations." "The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the LORD." "The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, like the rivers of water, He turns it wherever He wishes." "A person's steps are directed by the LORD. How then can anyone understand their own way?"
What is the context of the passages? We can make almost any claimed belief and find some passage of Scripture taken out context that would appear to support the claim. However, when we look at the context of the passage we find out that it's actually talking about something different.
You're drawing inferences from passages rather than showing where Scripture teaches these ideas that you've laid out in your explanation.
Please show where the Bible teaches that God chooses to save certain individuals and not others and who those individuals are.
Please show where the Scriptures teach that God controls every single thing that happens.
There's a huge difference between inferring something from Scripture and saying the Scriptures teach something.
If your understanding of Predestination is correct how come we don't see it taught in the Church until the Reformation? Shouldn't we find this idea taught by those who were taught by the apostles? Even when Augustine dealt with these ideas they were rejected by the Church. It wasn't until the Reformers broke away from the Church that these ideas were popularized
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