How were the lives of the three beasts prolonged?

[precepts]

OK... let's pretend that Rome is the Fourth Kingdom on earth
and we will pretend that Greece is the Third Beast and Persia the first Beast
and Babylon is the first Beast. What does the SCRIPTURE SAY?

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Dan 7:11-12
I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the [Little] horn spake:
I beheld even till the [fourth] beast was slain, and his body destroyed,
and given to the burning flame. As concerning the rest of the beasts,
[Greece, Persia and Babylon] they had their dominion taken away:
yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.


Rev 19:20 And the [Revelation] beast was taken, and with him the false prophet
[the Little horn] that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that
had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image.
These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

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So you want us to believe that the PEOPLE living in the Roman empire are
"cast alive into the Lake of Fire" (aka "Burning Flame") while the PEOPLE living
in the Greek, Persian and Babylonian empire HAVE THEIR LIVES PROLONGED
for a specific period called the "Season and Time"

I do not believe you are preaching that some people live on earth for a
"Season and Time" after the people of Rome are "cast alive into the lake of fire"....
is that what you are preaching? Really?


Jim


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Maybe you should explain where it says that it's the people of the kingdoms that are given to the flames. I don't think you're that naive. Also, try explaining Dan 7:17, and 23-24:

Dan 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

Your problem is not adhering to the script, reinventing the facts with your private interpretations. Do you care to name the "four kings" these four beasts represents? Please!

You people love to promote partial, one-sided, bias opinions! Get real and stop promoting false doctrines. Stop distorting the facts.

 

[precepts]

First... the Scripture does not say the "little horn" was cast into the Flame/Fire
it says the Fourth Beast. (that is your first error).

You're blaspheming the text.

Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

- The text says the 11th horn was a king/man, a beast: like one of the 4 kings that are called beasts in Dan 7:17. All you people do is distort the written facts to fit your private interpretations.

Secondly.... Rev 19:20 clarifies that it is the Fourth Beast AND the "Little Horn/False Prophet"
(so that is your second error)

That's another misleading statement. Though the 4th beast in Daniel 7 is the first beast in Revelation, the text also states that he was the 8th king of that beast kingdom. And the False Prophet, though he was the 2nd beast in Revelation, the 11th horn on the 4th beast in Daniel 7, and the 5th beast kingdom in Dan 2, he was also the 11th king, that plucked up three kings and was given to the lake of fire.

Third.... the term "Beast" is normally used to represent "Kingdoms" of very real PEOPLE.
In fact, in Daniel 7 it explains the four "Beasts" are four "Kingdoms"
(so that is your third error)

Do you see how uninformed and one-sided your claims are? Dan 7:17 specifically states that the 4 beasts are 4 kings. Should I suppose you've never read Dan 7:17?

Finally... the PEOPLE called ten "horns" and ten "kings" in Daniel 7 are the
SAME PEOPLE who are called ten "horns" and ten "kings" in Revelation 17 and the
SAME PEOPLE who are called ten "virgins" in Mat 25:1 and they are the
SAME PEOPLE who are called ten "toes" and ten "kings" in Dan 2
(so that is your fourth error)

Yet you equate them to Rome, Greece, etc.. And stop your ignorance that the 10 virgins are the same ten kings just because the virgins number 10. That's the ultimate act of spitefully posting nonsense.

You were able to demonstrate that you cannot offer an "informed opinion"
on the subject because you cannot DEFINE the TERMS that are used or the
CONTEXT of the passage.

You people are purposely trying to shut up the way to heaven.

I see this kind of lack of understanding all the time... it is very common.
Like most people, you have built error on top of error and your eschatology
has more holes than swiss cheese.

Jim

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Do you know what the definition of hypocrisy is? Stop blaspheming the text!

 

[5thKingdom]

Maybe you should explain where it says that it's the people of the kingdoms that are given to the flames. I don't think you're that naive. Also, try explaining Dan 7:17, and 23-24:

Dan 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

Your problem is not adhering to the script, reinventing the facts with your private interpretations. Do you care to name the "four kings" these four beasts represents? Please!

You people love to promote partial, one-sided, bias opinions! Get real and stop promoting false doctrines. Stop distorting the facts.

You have already shown the four "Beasts" represent four "Kingdoms on earth"
read Daniel 7:23 again.

Besides the fact that theologians have understand this simple fact for thousands of years....
even the BAD theologians have understood that correctly.... as PROVEN by the fact that
they assume it means POLITICAL kingdoms (instead of four "Kingdoms of Heaven")

So... to answer your first question.... where does it say that the PEOPLE of the kingdom
are given to the "Burning Flame" or the "Lake of Fire"... here you go:
Both passages are talking about the SAME EVENT.

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Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

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Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake:
I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Dan 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away:
yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

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When the Bible says (after the fourth Kingdom is destroyed in the Lake)
the "rest of the Beasts/Kingdoms" continued to exist on earth for a period
specifically NAMED the "Season and Time". It is not telling a lie.

There is a period of time on earth AFTER the PEOPLE in the Fourth Beast
are cast into the Lake.... but BEFORE the "rest of the Beasts" JOIN THEM

This is shown in several places in the Bible
Compare Rev 19:20 when the fourth Beast is cast into the Lake
with Rev 20:10 when the "rest of Kingdoms" JOIN THE BEAST IN THE LAKE.

So now you ask....
Why have we not heard this teaching before?
And the answer is Daniel 12:8-10. This is just ONE of the mysteries
that would remain "sealed" until AFTER the Fourth Beast is destroyed...
until the current "Season and Time".

Next question?


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[precepts]

You have already shown the four "Beasts" represent four "Kingdoms on earth"
read Daniel 7:23 again.

Besides the fact that theologians have understand this simple fact for thousands of years....
even the BAD theologians have understood that correctly.... as PROVEN by the fact that
they assume it means POLITICAL kingdoms (instead of four "Kingdoms of Heaven")

This is where you veered off coast. The scriptures specifically names the beast kingdoms. This is blasphemy!

So... to answer your first question.... where does it say that the PEOPLE of the kingdom
are given to the "Burning Flame" or the "Lake of Fire"... here you go:
Both passages are talking about the SAME EVENT.

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Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

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Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake:
I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Dan 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away:
yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

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Which has nothing to do with anything. But where does it say that it is the people of Greece, Rome, etc. that's given to the flame? Nowhere! And do you know why? because you're speculating.

You're deliberately ignoring what's written in scripture; which is blasphemy as far as I am concerned.

When the Bible says (after the fourth Kingdom is destroyed in the Lake)
the "rest of the Beasts/Kingdoms" continued to exist on earth for a period
specifically NAMED the "Season and Time". It is not telling a lie.

Of course, it's not true!

Your stumbling block, as well as denominational Christianity's, is being carnal-minded. These beasts, which are four, are four kings/men.

They are the 4 to 5 horsemen in Revelation; the 4 released, fallen Euphrates angels and the Beast from the bottomless pit; the 4 to 5 beast kingdoms in Dan 2 & 7; and the 4 KINGS that represent the 4 beast kingdoms in Dan 7:17, the fallen angels.

The reason they get their lives prolonged for a season and a time is because it's the Beast from the bottomless pit and one of the four released, fallen Euphrates angels that are thrown into the lake of fire, for the 1,000 years before the 2nd resurrection.

That is how they get their lives prolonged: because their death, being angels, is the lake of fire: "where the Beast and the false prophet are."

And after the 1,000 yrs it is not Satan that is given to the flames, though it is he who deceives the world after the 1,000 yrs reign. The culprit is another one of the four released, fallen Euphrates angels: Gog of Magog, the same Greek little horn from Dan 8 and 11 that caused the abomination of desolation, the reason why the context jumps from his historical reign, during the Greek empire, to the 2nd resurrection in the 12th chapter of Daniel.

There is a period of time on earth AFTER the PEOPLE in the Fourth Beast
are cast into the Lake.... but BEFORE the "rest of the Beasts" JOIN THEM

You are guessing; in other words, you are speculating!

This is shown in several places in the Bible
Compare Rev 19:20 when the fourth Beast is cast into the Lake
with Rev 20:10 when the "rest of Kingdoms" JOIN THE BEAST IN THE LAKE.

So now you ask....
Why have we not heard this teaching before?
And the answer is Daniel 12:8-10. This is just ONE of the mysteries
that would remain "sealed" until AFTER the Fourth Beast is destroyed...
until the current "Season and Time".

Next question?


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It's only a person who belongs in the nut house that would use psychology where logic is needed. You're too flat footed.

 

[Marilyn C]

Awesome! Looks like someone else around here knew this too. Nice job Marilyn.

Daniel 7:4 New King James Version (NKJV)
The first was like a lion, and had eagle’s wings. I watched till its wings were plucked off; and it was lifted up from the earth and made to stand on two feet like a man, and a man’s heart was given to it.

Hi LilShepherdboy,

That`s great. What we see is the now the British Commonwealth and America working together. They are separate entities but work together in wars etc.

regards, Marilyn.

 

[Marilyn C]

Verse eleven.

There was a time when I thought the same, but what lingered in my mind was that if I had lived in an earlier time, then I would have been just as confident that they referred to something else. It lacks a distinction that clearly links the symbolism to the reference. It would be tempting to say that the bear definitely refers to Russia, but the other two are not equally relevant to the things that they symbolize. We're all familiar with the Russian bear, but who ever heard of the four-headed, four-winged leopard of Europe?

What we do (think we) know is that the horns are rulers. By implication of verse twelve, the beasts are all political entities, because they have dominion to be taken away. However, because they can still exist when their dominion is taken away we must assume that they are not only nations, because a nation ceases to exist when it loses its domain. Hence, I'm inclined to think that they are political movements or ideologies, which gain and lose nationhood at some point. I would also argue that they don't necessarily begin and end in the same period. I would also suggest that they symbolize the same subject as the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, with the fourth being dramatically different from the others, and, unlike the others, it ends abruptly and finally.

Hi nonaero....

Thank you for replying. Now we do see that God says of those `beasts` that they are kingdoms, Federations in our language. Their dominion, their authority will be taken away, but they will continue, obviously as people who once were part of that federation.

I also agree that they are the same as the four horsemen of the Apocalypse - the 4 great Federations of our time.

Now as to the four-headed, four winged beast.

LEOPARD – The European Union.

`After this I looked, & there was another (beast), like a leopard,....` (Dan. 7: 6)

The Leopard symbol has a direct connection to Europe, as they were used on their banners & shields in wars.

`The beast also had four heads,.... (Dan. 7: 6)

The four heads on this beast denote a multiplicity of authority or government who are united in a common purpose. Six countries of Europe agreed to a commercial unity of purpose in a common market. However at the time of inauguration, three of these countries, combined their representation & voting, into one entity called `Benelux.` 4 Heads - France, Germany, Italy & Benelux - (Belgium, Netherlands & Luxembourg)

`Dominion was given to it.` (Dan. 7: 6)

Each of the foundation countries were defeated & powerless at the conclusion of World War 2. However authority as independent nations was granted by favour of the Allies.

Many countries desire to join the European Union & are working toward being eligible. The latest economic world crisis will cause many countries to restructure their finance & become European dependent.

regards, Marilyn

 

[Douggg]

And the False Prophet, though he was the 2nd beast in Revelation, the 11th horn on the 4th beast in Daniel 7,

Hi precepts, why would you say that the False Prophet (the second beast of Revelation 13) is the 11th horn (i.e. the little horn)?

The little horn says great things (boastful, I assume, and against God) in Daniel 7 - which in Revelation 13:5, it is the first beast that speaks against God and them in heaven. So it would seem the little horn is the same person called the beast in Revelation 13.

 

[precepts]

Hi precepts, why would you say that the False Prophet (the second beast of Revelation 13) is the 11th horn (i.e. the little horn)?

The little horn says great things (boastful, I assume, and against God) in Daniel 7 - which in Revelation 13:5, it is the first beast that speaks against God and them in heaven. So it would seem the little horn is the same person called the beast in Revelation 13.

True, it does say the 1st beast in Rev 13 does the blaspheming. But in Dan 7 it doesn't mention the Beast being given to the flame when the 11th horn is said to be thrown to the flames: meaning the Beast had to have been included with the 11th horn when he was given to the flames in Dan 7:11 because Dan 7:11 is Rev 19:20.

Hence the blasphemy in Dan 7 could have been attribute to the 11th horn when the 11th horn instituted the worship of the 8th horn before both were given to the flames in Dan 7:11 and in Rev 19:20.

Or it could be attributing the blasphemy to both as one entity, since it is the Beast that gives 11th horn the power to attack heaven, with the other 9 kings, Satan not yet being thrown out of heaven, thrown out when the Beast and False Prophet are given to the flames after the Armageddon.

The fact that Dan 7:11 is Rev 19:20 also proves the 11th horn in Dan 7 is the false prophet in Rev 13, the 2nd beast kingdom in Rev 13.

It also proves that the 10 horns in Dan 7 are the same 10 horn in Revelation.

In fact, the 11th horn is one of the 10 that gets power one hour with the Beast, because the Beast being the 8th Roman king/horn, is not numbered among the 10 when it comes to the 10 kings receiving power from the Beast, he being the 8th among the 10 kings when it comes to their order of reigns in succession.

So it is the 11th that receives power from the Beast to become the 10th king that does receive power/a throne, etc., from the Beast.

 

[Douggg]

True, it does say the 1st beast in Rev 13 does the blaspheming. But in Dan 7 it doesn't mention the Beast being given to the flame when the 11th horn is said to be thrown to the flames: meaning the Beast had to have been included with the 11th horn when he was given to the flames in Dan 7:11 because Dan 7:11 is Rev 19:20.

Hence the blasphemy in Dan 7 could have been attribute to the 11th horn when the 11th horn instituted the worship of the 8th horn before both were given to the flames in Dan 7:11 and in Rev 19:20.

Or it could be attributing the blasphemy to both as one entity, since it is the Beast that gives 11th horn the power to attack heaven, with the other 9 kings, Satan not yet being thrown out of heaven, thrown out when the Beast and False Prophet are given to the flames after the Armageddon.

The fact that Dan 7:11 is Rev 19:20 also proves the 11th horn in Dan 7 is the false prophet in Rev 13, the 2nd beast kingdom in Rev 13.

It also proves that the 10 horns in Dan 7 are the same 10 horn in Revelation.

In fact, the 11th horn is one of the 10 that gets power one hour with the Beast, because the Beast being the 8th Roman king/horn, is not numbered among the 10 when it comes to the 10 kings receiving power from the Beast, he being the 8th among the 10 kings when it comes to their order of reigns in succession.

So it is the 11th that receives power from the Beast to become the 10th king that does receive power/a throne, etc., from the Beast.

Hi precepts, do you know what is different in your post from what is written in Daniel 7? In Daniel 7, it does not call the person the 11th horn, but little horn. Why do you think that is?

I am thinking is because the little horn is different from the other ten horns. I am thinking the little horn is one of the 7 heads (representing 7 kings) on the beast.

In fact, the 11th horn is one of the 10 that gets power one hour with the Beast.....

How could the little horn (which you are calling the 11th horn) be one of the 10, if he comes up among, after, the ten?

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

 

[precepts]

Hi precepts, do you know what is different in your post from what is written in Daniel 7? In Daniel 7, it does not call the person the 11th horn, but little horn. Why do you think that is?

I am thinking is because the little horn is different from the other ten horns. I am thinking the little horn is one of the 7 heads (representing 7 kings) on the beast.

I should have known better. Dan 7 doesn't call the little horn the 11th horn, so what are these verses saying then:

Dan 7:20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.
Dan 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
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Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

- if there are ten horns and "another" one comes up, an "other horn," how many horns do you now have?

How could the little horn (which you are calling the 11th horn) be one of the 10, if he comes up among, after, the ten?

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

Isn't that what I just explained in the last post? You're not that naive.

 

[Douggg]

- if there are ten horns and "another" one comes up, an "other horn," how many horns do you now have?

But the bible doesn't refer to the another horn as being the 11th horn, but as the little horn. That's the problem in calling the little horn the 11th horn, because it is not what the bible says. Calling the little horn the 11th horn changes the intent of the angel's (assumed) explanation of the vision given to Daniel.

And a little horn that is different than the ten, is not called the 11th horn. And the horns are not numbered, 1st horn, 2nd horn, 3rd horn, 4th horn, 5th horn, 6th horn, 7th horn, 8th horn, 9th horn, 10th horn - because they come to power at the same time it appears. (simultaneous elected leaders imo of a new form of government).

Once they are elected, in that end times fourth kingdom, it is probable then there is the election of the little horn.

Which in Revelation there are only ten horns on the beast - not eleven - giving their kingdom to the person called the beast in Revelation 17:17.

Precepts, why can't you say the bible calls the person the "little horn" in Daniel 7, but I am calling him the 11th horn because elsewhere in the bible it calls the person the 11th horn in (you fill in the blank, citing the book, chapter, verse) ?

 

[precepts]

But the bible doesn't refer to the another horn as being the 11th horn, but as the little horn. That's the problem in calling the little horn the 11th horn, because it is not what the bible says. Calling the little horn the 11th horn changes the intent of the angel's (assumed) explanation of the vision given to Daniel.

And a little horn that is different than the ten, is not called the 11th horn. And the horns are not numbered, 1st horn, 2nd horn, 3rd horn, 4th horn, 5th horn, 6th horn, 7th horn, 8th horn, 9th horn, 10th horn - because they come to power at the same time it appears. (simultaneous elected leaders imo of a new form of government).

Once they are elected, in that end times fourth kingdom, it is probable then there is the election of the little horn.

Which in Revelation there are only ten horns on the beast - not eleven - giving their kingdom to the person called the beast in Revelation 17:17.

Precepts, why can't you say the bible calls the person the "little horn" in Daniel 7, but I am calling him the 11th horn because elsewhere in the bible it calls the person the 11th horn in (you fill in the blank, citing the book, chapter, verse) ?

You didn't answer the question, "if there are ten horns and "another" one comes up, an "other horn," how many horns do you now have?"

 

[Douggg]

You didn't answer the question, "if there are ten horns and "another" one comes up, an "other horn," how many horns do you now have?"

I have ten, because that is what the bible says. It doesn't say 11th horn. Don't you get it - you are changing up what the bible says by referring to the little horn as the 11th horn.

The bible doesn't say 11th horn, because the little horn is distinctive. When you say 11th horn, you are taking away that distinction.

 

[Yahchristian]

I have ten, because that is what the bible says. It doesn't say 11th horn. Don't you get it - you are changing up what the bible says by referring to the little horn as the 11th horn.

The bible doesn't say 11th horn, because the little horn is distinctive. When you say 11th horn, you are taking away that distinction.

I have studied all the various eschatology views and have found that people debate a lot of things. But I must say I am surprised that this would be debated.

Most agree that "the first horns" refers to "the ten horns", so "another little horn" is an eleventh horn.

Daniel 7:8... I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Daniel 7:20... And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

Daniel 7:24... And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

 

[precepts]

I have ten, because that is what the bible says. It doesn't say 11th horn. Don't you get it - you are changing up what the bible says by referring to the little horn as the 11th horn.

The bible doesn't say 11th horn, because the little horn is distinctive. When you say 11th horn, you are taking away that distinction.

How many horns are on the 4th beast in Dan 7 if another horn comes up, a horn other than the first 10 horns?

And anybody with understanding knows what I mean when I say the 11th horn. The scriptures doesn't have to say there's an 11th horn for there to be a 11th horn. It says there were 10 horns and another horn came up, which makes 11 horns - your mountain out of a mole hill, no doublt

 

[precepts]

I have studied all the various eschatology views and have found that people debate a lot of things. But I must say I am surprised that this would be debated.

Most agree that "the first horns" refers to "the ten horns", so "another little horn" is an eleventh horn.

Daniel 7:8... I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Daniel 7:20... And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

Daniel 7:24... And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

Thank you! And I'm reprimanded when I tell these people that they're not for real. This guy is actually saying that there is still ten horns though another comes up, saying anything to avoid the fact.

The horns being kings is another scripted fact they have to blaspheme, in their arrogance, which is their stumbling block, why they will never interpret prophecy correctly!

 

[Douggg]

How many horns are on the 4th beast in Dan 7 if another horn comes up, a horn other than the first 10 horns?

And anybody with understanding knows what I mean when I say the 11th horn. The scriptures doesn't have to say there's an 11th horn for there to be a 11th horn. It says there were 10 horns and another horn came up, which makes 11 horns - your mountain out of a mole hill, no doublt

No-one else is referring to the little horn as the 11th horn but you. That's part of the problem. The main part is that in essence you are changing up the text by doing so.

Why can't you just say little horn like everyone else?

Does it say 11th horn in Daniel 8 ? Do you call the little horn in Daniel 8, the fifth horn? There were 4 horns on the goat, then the little horn come out of one of the four - so using your logic, the little horn should be called the fifth horn.
Or the sixth horn, because the goat started out with one notable horn.

So the little horn is the 11th horn and the 5th or 6th horn.

If the bible had said 11th horn in Daniel 7 and 5th horn in Daniel 8 - and didn't use the term "little horn", how would anyone know that it is the same person?

 

[precepts]

No-one else is referring to the little horn as the 11th horn but you. That's part of the problem. The main part is that in essence you are changing up the text by doing so.

Why can't you just say little horn like everyone else?

Does it say 11th horn in Daniel 8 ?

You can't answer my question because you are wrong! How many horns are on the 4th beast in Dan 7 if another horn comes up among the 10?

You can't tell me how to address the 11th horn. That's petty stuff.

 

[Douggg]

You can't answer my question because you are wrong! How many horns are on the 4th beast in Dan 7 if another horn comes up among the 10?

You can't tell me how to address the 11th horn.

How many horns are on the goat in Daniel 8? The bible doesn't use your made up convention.

Do you know what this argument is similar to?

When the bible says 1260 days - people do conversion in their heads and say 3 1/2 years. Then when the bible says 42 months, they do the same conversion to get 3 1/2 years again. So they conclude events taking place during the 1260 days on a timeline take place the same time as events in the 42 months...erroneously.

 

[tranquil]

I have ten, because that is what the bible says. It doesn't say 11th horn. Don't you get it - you are changing up what the bible says by referring to the little horn as the 11th horn.

The bible doesn't say 11th horn, because the little horn is distinctive. When you say 11th horn, you are taking away that distinction.

This is one of the most inane arguments ever. I use the term '11th horn' too, so don't say that it is only Precepts using it.

The term 'little horn' is not distinctive. The little horn of Daniel 8 is not the same as the little horn of Daniel 7, so saying '11th horn' is more distinctive.

Apparently, you assume that the Daniel 8 little horn is the same as the Daniel 7 little horn. But they aren't the same: the Dan 7 little horn comes after the 10 horns (hence the term 11th horn). the dan 8 little horn probably/ potentially comes before the 10 horns (the king's head that owns the 10 horns).