1 John 1:8 is written to the false gnostic way of thinking that says sin does not exist for the believer. 1 John 1:8 is a present tense statement, while 1 John 1:10 is a past tense statement. Certainly both you and I agree that we have sinned past tense. So 1 John 1 is dealing with the false gnostic belief.
Nope.
The following is what the writer of 1 John is talking about.
The Heresy Today
1. The spirit of this heresy is present with us today when people try to combine Christian truth with other systems of thought.
2. The spirit of this heresy is present with us today when people emphasize "correct" doctrine to the exclusion of personal relationship and lifestyle faith.
3. The spirit of this heresy is present with us today when people turn Christianity into an exclusive intellectual eliteness.
4. The spirit of this heresy is present with us today when religious people turn to asceticism or antinomianism.
asceticism - the doctrine that a person can attain a high spiritual and moral state by practicing self-denial, self-mortification, and the like.
antinomianism - a person who maintains that Christians are freed from the moral law by virtue of grace as set forth in the gospel.
PURPOSE
A. It has a practical focus for believers
1. to give them joy (cf. 1 John 1:4)
2. to encourage them to live godly lives (cf. 1:7; 2:1)
3. to command them (and remind them) to love one another (cf. 1 John 4:7-21) and not the world (cf. 1 John 2:15-17).
4. to give them assurance of their salvation in Christ (cf. 1 John 5:13)
B. It has a doctrinal focus for believers
1. refute the error of separating Jesus' deity and humanity
2. refute the error of separating spirituality into an intellectualism devoid of godly living
3. refute the error that one can be saved in isolation from others
You believe you will always sin as a part of 1 John 1:8 (no doubt because you say you will always sin as a part of some sin nature). But this was written as a warning to the brethren not to think this way because of the false gnostics that were seducing them (1 John 2:26).
CONTEXT...CONTEXT....CONTEXT...lol...you have a hard time with that. How about 1 John 2:1
1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.
And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
oh you forgot:
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for
the sins of the whole world.
Those two tie together...notice the colon:
Oh yeah..you forgot this:
1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Wait, how do we know we are with Him:
1 John 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
1 John 2:7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.
9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.
12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.
13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him
that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.
14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him
that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.
15 Love not the world, neither the things
that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that
is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would
no doubt have continued with us: but
they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [
but]
he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us,
even eternal life.
26 These
things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
Verse 26...is about all of chapter 2. He was telling them who they were in Christ. Reassuring them on what to do to be as Christ.
1 John 2:4 cannot be read or believed normally if your interpretation on 1 John 1:8 is true.
Let's check this out.
1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Well they are both Inspired by God. So they are both true.
The difference is this:
1 John 1:8...Is what we say about ourselves to ourselves and to others.
1 John 2:4... Is ignoring the God's will of command..so it's what we do against God. This is because we say we know God and then break His laws, which is a transgression, which is the definition of sin and when we sin, we sin directly against God.
Sounds like God knows exactly what He is saying.
But in both cases, we would be a liar. And in both cases the truth would not be in us.
I mean, do you honestly think God would want you to be a slave to your sin in this life? Why would God desire to save us while doing evil or any kind of evil? That doesn't make any sense. God wants us to forsake evil and not to justify it. He wants us to no longer be a slave to sin or evil. That is what your belief cannot stand for. The idea of walking righteously in this life by the power of God is not something you truly want or desire. Hence, why you defend the idea that we will be slaves to sin in this life.
Never said that. Never suggested it. Spoke completely opposite with what your saying. I have discussed ad nauseam with you. You don't understand it, okay. But I've tried to explain it to you in the most simplest terms as possible without being insulting. If you don't get it. It's because you don't want to.
As for John Piper: You quoted John Piper to me, but you do not know of what he really believes. It just goes to show you that you do not really know what these men actually teach. I do not agree with your belief, either. For it says you will be a slave to sin in this life because no man can stop sinning. This is wrong. For Jesus says to two people to sin no more. I believe Jesus in what He says and I do not believe your words that essentially say, "I will sin again always in this life." (Which runs contrary to the words of Jesus) (Note: Please see 1 Timothy 6:3-4).
I agreed that what John Piper wrote on suicide I believed to be wrong.
So, your right all the time, you never say goofy things, you might want to reread these post, you might find that you do and have, made a lot of mistakes.
Never said that. Never suggested it. Spoke completely opposite with what your saying. I have discussed ad nauseam with you. You don't understand it, okay. But I've tried to explain it to you in the most simplest terms as possible without being insulting. If you don't get it. It's because you don't want to. I'm just going to copy this every time you continue to repeat the wrong stuff.
Yes, some believers can honestly struggle with sin early in their walk with God, but they will in time overcome their sin by the power of God. For Galatians 5:24 says they that are Christ's have crucified the affections and lusts. Paul says we will become slaves to righteousness (Romans 6:18). Jesus says he that sins is a slave to sin (John 8:34). Yet, Paul says sin shall not have dominion over us (Romans 6:14). Romans 13:14 says put on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.
This idea (of overcoming sin) totally offends you for some reason. Ask yourself why that is? For if there was a slim chance that you are wrong and you are indeed justifying that you will be a slave to sin in this life when the Bible does not say so, do you think God would be happy with you about that? Especially if God teaches within His Word that you can overcome your sin? Again see 1 Peter 4:1-2.
Never said that. Never suggested it. Spoke completely opposite with what your saying. I have discussed ad nauseam with you. You don't understand it, okay. But I've tried to explain it to you in the most simplest terms as possible without being insulting. If you don't get it. It's because you don't want to.
See, the Bible's concept on salvation makes no room or justification for evil or sin. For it would be a violation of basic morality. It's why you cannot make a parable or real world example out of your belief here. Also, ECT is a similar problem for you, as well. It is a violation of basic morality, as well (of which cannot be made into a parable or real world example). But go ahead and keep believing whatever you like (against what our hearts say is true and good). For anyone can quote Scripture, but it is another matter to allow the goodness of God to transform us into His likeness (By those Scriptures thereby changing our hearts, minds, hands, and feet).
Never said that. Never suggested it. Spoke completely opposite with what your saying. I have discussed ad nauseam with you. You don't understand it, okay. But I've tried to explain it to you in the most simplest terms as possible without being insulting. If you don't get it. It's because you don't want to.
1 John 2:4 says if we say we know Him and do not keep His commandments, we are a liar and the truth is not in us. Can we say we are keeping His commandments if we are also declaring that we will break them as a matter of fact (As a part of some uncontrollable sin nature)?
Can you say you don't break His commandments, even now?