The Eternality of Hell

[helping]

When Christ came he not only opened the way to God, Heaven and also the way to Satan, Hell.
Prior to the ten commandment what was Sin ???
I found Christ at the age of 9,
I found God at the age of 48
at 48 I received the proof that I got God's forgiveness, it took me
3 months of continuous studying to find out that's what happened.
Actually I'm non-religion, It also appears God hates religion,
Christ told His Disciples to go teach the world what He had shown them,
He did not tell them to go start a new religion named after Him.
So what was He showing them, His power or Gods power?????

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[Bible Highlighter]

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Not sure if it is worth it for me to reply to every thing you specifically said. For you are simply wanting to see what you desire to see. You say on one hand that believers sin and on the other hand you say they don't. They either sin or they don't sin. There is no in between. Believers are either saved by turning God's grace into a license for sin on some level or they don't do that. But God would never allow us to think that sinning in this life was okay on any level. The whole idea that believers are human and will always sin because they are sinners and can't help it is a violation of the Scriptures and basic morality. You make your message sound like it is in support of morality but when it is pealed away like an onion, that is simply not true. By your saying we are sinners (present tense) saved by grace is a license for immorality (even if you also speak out of the other side of your mouth and say we cannot sin and still be saved). I don't believe you are preserving basic morality or the goodness of God. Believers are told in the Bible that they can overcome their sin. But you don't like that part of the Bible so you seek to change it.


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[claninja]

Remember I agreed with you.
Strong's Greek Dictionary
165. αἰών aion (aiṓn)
Search for G165 in KJVSL; in KJV.
αἰών aiṓn, ahee-ohn'

from the same as G104; properly, an age; by extension, perpetuity (also past); by implication, the world; specially (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future):—age, course, eternal, (for) ever(-more), (n-)ever, (beginning of the , while the) world (began, without end). Compare G5550.

masculine noun
Strong's Greek Dictionary
5550. χρόνος chronos (chrónos)
Search for G5550 in KJVSL; in KJV.
χρόνος chrónos, khron'-os

of uncertain derivation; a space of time (in general, and thus properly distinguished from G2540, which designates a fixed or special occasion; and from G165, which denotes a particular period) or interval; by extension, an individual opportunity; by implication, delay:—+ years old, season, space, (× often-)time(-s), (a) while.

masculine noun






Do you see it? Please tell me you do.
We are both right. but there is something to see. I'll wait for your response. Not being glib or picking on you. It's a learning opportunity for both of us.

I'll respond more after you do on the above.
Read over the scripture and the definitions, we both have shown. You'll see it. God is so Awsome!!!


Jesus is using a parable to describe the destruction of unbelieving Israel. This parable is paralleled with the parable of the fish and even the sheep and the goats. These parables also coincide with Daniel 12:1-4. We also know that Daniel 12:1-4 will be accomplished when the power of the holy people is shattered, Daniel 12:7.

In other words, the completion of the end of the age(s) has to due with 70AD and the shattering of the power of the holy people.

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Sorry, not following you here. If you provide scripture that shows that the new covenant age will end, I would appreciate it.

 

[Edmond Smith]

Was God angered when mankind beat and killed His Son???

This is about God's will. Many theologians believe, and I also do that there are two parts to the Will of God.

1st. God's will is sovereign - He is in total control. He knows all, He is everywhere and he is all powerful. Him creating everything is the example of his sovereign will. It is his sovereign will that all men be saved. Also, because of His sovereign will he will allow sin to be used to bring things to pass.

Just as Christ was perfect, sinless and His son. He was fully man and fully God. But God's will allowed sin to have Christ die. It was sinful to do the things that was done to Christ. It wasn't Christians that tortured and crucified Christ, nor were it true believers that Christ was the messiah. It was sinners, the lost who did these things to Him. God hates sin, he also will punish those who commit the sin.
Was He angry, wouldn't you be if your son had just been tortured and crucified? But that really is an unfair question. Because we already know how God feels about the wicked. He hates the wicked soul all the day long. Until those men and women who participated in the death of Christ, if any, repented of their sins. God will deal with them on the day of judgment for what was done.

2nd God's will of command- He commands us to obey Him. He gave us 10 commandments that will lead us to Christ. He also has His main commands. To Love the Lord God with all our heart, mind, soul and strength; and to love our neighbors as we love ourselves.

If not, what was the events the took place during the 3 hrs. total darkness while
Christ was on the cross ??

What exactly took place is only know by God. What we do know is that Christ went to hell and informed them what had happened. That he had conquered Death, Hell and the grave. He also took the keys to Death and the grave from Satan.

If His Son dying was planned event by God then there was no sacrifice. By saying Christ came here to die, is saying there was no sacrifice.

So if you plan to go on a vacation, is it not a vacation?
If you plan to go to work and you go, is not going to work?

Your argument is illogical. God has plans, He makes them, they come through, just as He plans them.

The curtain that was torn was not on a little Jewish temple,
but the Curtain on God's Temple was torn, Heaven and Earth is God's Temple, the earth is His footstool in His Temple.

This is called a metaphor. The earth as his footstool describes the greatness of God. He isn't literally sitting in a chair with his ankles crossed on earth.

The veil was torn in the temple that existed at that time. Signifying the separation between man and God has been torn. That we now can have that relationship with God, we once couldn't have but the priesthood did. That we don't need man to perform our prayers for us. That we can now come to God and come to the throne room boldly and speak to Him.

If one studies real close, I think it's actually when the continents split apart,

The continents split way before the crucifixion happened. Some believe it was during the flood.

1500 yrs. later some people thought some land was missing others thought nothing was out there and if you went out there, you wouldn't come back.

Some people today still believe if you go to the Bermuda triangle off the coast of florida, you will go in there and not come back. Unexplained phenomena happens all the time. As does suspicions that are brought upon by the lack of knowledge. Remember, they used to think the world is flat. Well, some still do...again lack of knowledge.

during this time period is the 1000 yrs. that Babylon sets empty aka desolate.

Don't know where your going with this.

 

[Edmond Smith]

Was God angered when mankind beat and killed His Son???

This is about God's will. Many theologians believe, and I also do that there are two parts to the Will of God.

1st. God's will is sovereign - He is in total control. He knows all, He is everywhere and he is all powerful. Him creating everything is the example of his sovereign will. It is his sovereign will that all men be saved. Also, because of His sovereign will he will allow sin to be used to bring things to pass.

Just as Christ was perfect, sinless and His son. He was fully man and fully God. But God's will allowed sin to have Christ die. It was sinful to do the things that was done to Christ. It wasn't Christians that tortured and crucified Christ, nor were it true believers that Christ was the messiah. It was sinners, the lost who did these things to Him. God hates sin, he also will punish those who commit the sin.
Was He angry, wouldn't you be if your son had just been tortured and crucified? But that really is an unfair question. Because we already know how God feels about the wicked. He hates the wicked soul all the day long. Until those men and women who participated in the death of Christ, if any, repented of their sins. God will deal with them on the day of judgment for what was done.

2nd God's will of command- He commands us to obey Him. He gave us 10 commandments that will lead us to Christ. He also has His main commands. To Love the Lord God with all our heart, mind, soul and strength; and to love our neighbors as we love ourselves.

If not, what was the events the took place during the 3 hrs. total darkness while
Christ was on the cross ??

What exactly took place is only know by God. What we do know is that Christ went to hell and informed them what had happened. That he had conquered Death, Hell and the grave. He also took the keys to Death and the grave from Satan.

If His Son dying was planned event by God then there was no sacrifice. By saying Christ came here to die, is saying there was no sacrifice.

So if you plan to go on a vacation, is it not a vacation?
If you plan to go to work and you go, is not going to work?

Your argument is illogical. God has plans, He makes them, they come through, just as He plans them.

The curtain that was torn was not on a little Jewish temple,
but the Curtain on God's Temple was torn, Heaven and Earth is God's Temple, the earth is His footstool in His Temple.

This is called a metaphor. The earth as his footstool describes the greatness of God. He isn't literally sitting in a chair with his ankles crossed on earth.

The veil was torn in the temple that existed at that time. Signifying the separation between man and God has been torn. That we now can have that relationship with God, we once couldn't have but the priesthood did. That we don't need man to perform our prayers for us. That we can now come to God and come to the throne room boldly and speak to Him.

If one studies real close, I think it's actually when the continents split apart,

The continents split way before the crucifixion happened. Some believe it was during the flood.

1500 yrs. later some people thought some land was missing others thought nothing was out there and if you went out there, you wouldn't come back.

Some people today still believe if you go to the Bermuda triangle off the coast of florida, you will go in there and not come back. Unexplained phenomena happens all the time. As does suspicions that are brought upon by the lack of knowledge. Remember, they used to think the world is flat. Well, some still do...again lack of knowledge.

during this time period is the 1000 yrs. that Babylon sets empty aka desolate.

Don't know where your going with this.

 

[Edmond Smith]

Group 1 the condemned do not go to Hell the actually live and die as an animal when they are born a spirit enters them and when they die the spirit leaves them, and the reuse of the spirits is where other religions have come from, Every religion is in the bible, every religion took the parts they wanted an threw away the rest.

Nope. This is called heresy. There is no reincarnation in the bible at all.

group 2 The ones that don't get God's Forgiveness!!!!!!!!!! Both Heaven and Hell are Eternal.

The ones who don't get forgiveness, are those who don't repent of their sins and place their trust in God. Who continually life in sin and rebellion against God. Those who don't get that life and heart changing forgiveness, from God...Yes will go to hell if they die in their sins.

Group 4 are descendants (aka DNA bloodline) of the 12 son of Jacob (God renamed Israel,) Hebrews not Jews. and not the little country, selected location, by a group of men in mid 1900s

Okay, Israel is the little country. which is populated by Jewish peoples, who read write and teach Hebrew. The 144,000 will be virgin Jews who will go about preaching the Gospel during the tribulation.
The 144,000 people described in two passages of the Bible: Revelation 7:1-8 and 14:1-5. According to the first passage, they are "the servants of . . . God" (7:3) who are pictured as being sealed upon their foreheads. Verses 4-8 depict there being 12,000 sealed from each of the 12 tribes of Israel, giving a total of 144,000.

In Revelation 14:1 we are told that the seal on their foreheads is Christ's and his Father's name. The 144,000 are with Jesus, and they sing a unique song of worship, which no one else can learn (14:3). In 14:4-5 we are told more about their identity: "It is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are chaste [Greek, "virgins"]; it is these who follow the Lamb wherever he goes; these have been redeemed from mankind as first fruits for God and the Lamb, and in their mouth no lie was found, for they are spotless."

 

[helping]

The reason for God to send His Son was, religion had become so corrupt that mankind could no longer find God, God sent a new avenue to find Him, but rather than accept Him as Messiah, King of Kings they(aka religion) killed him instead.
when reading Bible must understand what is history, present day when wrote and future (aka prophecy, anything after present day then.)

 

[Edmond Smith]

Not sure if it is worth it for me to reply to every thing you specifically said. For you are simply wanting to see what you desire to see. You say on one hand that believers sin and on the other hand you say they don't. They either sin or they don't sin. There is no in between. Believers are either saved by turning God's grace into a license for sin on some level or they don't do that. But God would never allow us to think that sinning in this life was okay on any level. The whole idea that believers are human and will always sin because they are sinners and can't help it is a violation of the Scriptures and basic morality. You make your message sound like it is in support of morality but when it is pealed away like an onion, that is simply not true. By your saying we are sinners (present tense) saved by grace is a license for immorality (even if you also speak out of the other side of your mouth and say we cannot sin and still be saved). I don't believe you are preserving basic morality or the goodness of God. Believers are told in the Bible that they can overcome their sin. But you don't like that part of the Bible so you seek to change it.


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One more time: the Last time.

Saying that be a sinner saved by grace. Is just as it means. I was once a sinner and I was saved by grace. That's it.
We are human...last time I checked. We don't go about purposely sinning.

Maybe this will help you understand:
Now the ESV is right to translate “we know that everyone who has been born of God” — and then it translates — “does not keep on sinning,” which helps a little bit, maybe. First John 3:9 has the same issue: “No one born of God makes a practice of sinning for God’s seed abides in him and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.”

We don't keep on sinning, nor do we make a practice of it.

Now I could pull rank with Greek here — which I will — and then I will back up and say that is not the key issue. The idea of the Greek present tense [ἁμαρτάνει / ἁμαρτάνειν] which is being used is that those who are born again, and have the Spirit of God in them, cannot ever make peace with sin, settle in with sin, make sin a friend, be okay with sinning, just go on sinning as though no war needs to be made against it, and nothing will come of it if we do. The present tense says: No, you can’t do that, you can’t make a practice of sinning like that.

But if you don’t know Greek, you don’t have to trust me at this point, because there are a couple of other reasons why non-Greek readers know that this text does not mean that Christians don’t ever do anything wrong.

First John 5:16, two verses earlier: “If anyone sees his brother” — a Christian — “committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask, and God will give him life.” So he can’t mean that Christians don’t sin, because he just gave instruction for how to help Christians who do sin.

The same thing is true in 1 John 1:8–10. “If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”

So in the meaning of 1 John 5:18, I think here in the context, the first and obvious meaning would be: The one who is born of God does not sin unto death; that is, we don’t make peace with sin, settle into a pattern of sinning that will destroy us in the end, prove that we are not truly born of God and are not truly Christians. Christians walk in the light and, according to 1 John 1:8–10, walking in the light is not sinlessness. It is walking in a way that you have eyes to see in the light the ugliness of what you just did and you are sorry for it. You confess it. You keep short accounts with God and you move on. So I think “does not sin” means (1) doesn’t commit the sin unto death and (2) doesn’t settle into a pattern of sinning that proves you have no spiritual life in you.

This also means we are sensitive to sin. We are conscious of it. Not running around blindly doing things and ignoring them thinking we never sinned. When if you did and didn't face it as it is, could lead to issues in the Christian walk.

Second issue: “He who is born of God protects him.” I think that means that Christ — who is called the one born of God, the only begotten of God, the eternally virgin born Spirit, but born by the Spirit Son of God, Christ — guards us from the devil. He intercedes for us and he is with us to the end of the age helping us. And his blood covers us and keeps us safe from Satan’s accusations because none of them can hold, because Christ has died for us.

Third issue: “The evil one does not touch him.” The devil’s accusations and temptations and harassments can hurt us terribly, but they can never destroy us. There is no deadly touch. There is no poisonous bite. His fangs were removed at the cross, and his lethal poison is taken away from believers. He cannot destroy us.

So I take “cannot touch us” to mean can’t touch us with any deadly touch. He can hurt us terribly. I don’t want to minimize Satan’s realty in this world. He can throw us in prison and he can move others to kill us, according to Revelation 2:10, but he can’t hurt us ultimately. He can’t touch us with the touch of destruction and damnation. That has been taken out of his hand by the blood of Jesus. Jesus did that when he died on the cross according to Colossians 2:15. He disarmed the principalities and powers when he died and shed his blood.

So the only begotten of God is, indeed, our perfect and everlasting protector

Thanks to God and John Piper for all this information.

Hope that helps you. That is what is meant by "sinner saved by grace".

 

[helping]

Nope. This is called heresy. There is no reincarnation in the bible at all.



The ones who don't get forgiveness, are those who don't repent of their sins and place their trust in God. Who continually life in sin and rebellion against God. Those who don't get that life and heart changing forgiveness, from God...Yes will go to hell if they die in their sins.



Okay, Israel is the little country. which is populated by Jewish peoples, who read write and teach Hebrew. The 144,000 will be virgin Jews who will go about preaching the Gospel during the tribulation.
The 144,000 people described in two passages of the Bible: Revelation 7:1-8 and 14:1-5. According to the first passage, they are "the servants of . . . God" (7:3) who are pictured as being sealed upon their foreheads. Verses 4-8 depict there being 12,000 sealed from each of the 12 tribes of Israel, giving a total of 144,000.

In Revelation 14:1 we are told that the seal on their foreheads is Christ's and his Father's name. The 144,000 are with Jesus, and they sing a unique song of worship, which no one else can learn (14:3). In 14:4-5 we are told more about their identity: "It is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are chaste [Greek, "virgins"]; it is these who follow the Lamb wherever he goes; these have been redeemed from mankind as first fruits for God and the Lamb, and in their mouth no lie was found, for they are spotless."

Book of John Christ is talking about evil spirits and states, if an evil spirit is removed from a person and the void is not filled, the evil spirit will return bringing 7 worse than its self to live in that person. This is also why mankind quit burning witches at the stake, because after they killed the body, the evil spirit just went to a new person. As this says some of the
spirits are reused.
and Jew, Jewish origin is a splinter group of Hebrews started a religion and Israel is a man not a country. Current day Jews of Israel (the country) are not descendants of Jacob (aka Israel) Their DNA already been checked.

 

[helping]

when reading the bible open your mind to take in the full meaning of a verse and know what the verse is talking about . the verse, roughly 2000 yrs. ago, Satan takes Christ upon a high mountain and shows Him all the kingdoms of the world, Satan says he will give them all to Christ if He would bow down to Satan . What all; is this verse saying. 1st one could actually see all the kingdoms of the world from one spot. For this to be possible the land was not scattered around on a ball(aka earth, present day) the land was all together as it was in Geneses. 2nd Who had control of the kingdoms, and what has happened since then to change that.

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[Edmond Smith]

This passage is not about the end of the world (kosmos), but about the completion of the end of the age.
Matthew 13:40
4930 [e] synteleia συντελείᾳ completion N-DFS
3588 [e] tou τοῦ of the Art-GMS
165 [e] aiōnos αἰῶνος. age. N-GMS

Matthew 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

Strong's Greek Dictionary
165. αἰών aion (aiṓn)
Search for G165 in KJVSL; in KJV.
αἰών aiṓn, ahee-ohn'

from the same as G104; properly, an age; by extension, perpetuity (also past); by implication, the world; specially (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future):—age, course, eternal, (for) ever(-more), (n-)ever, (beginning of the , while the) world (began, without end). Compare G5550.

Okay, this World is a messianic period either present or future. This is what is called a duel prophecy. We can also know this by comparing it to G5550
χρόνος chrónos, khron'-os

of uncertain derivation; a space of time (in general, and thus properly distinguished from G2540, which designates a fixed or special occasion; and from G165, which denotes a particular period) or interval; by extension, an individual opportunity; by implication, delay:—+ years old, season, space, (× often-)time(-s), (a) while.

masculine noun

It's an uncertain amount of time...it could by +- years old, at a certain time or season. So again, this can be a duel prophecy.
It happened in 70 AD and it will happen at the end of time. The Great White Throne Judgment...or to keep it simple Judgment day. He is speaking of both ages. The end of the Jewish age, where the Jewish covenant ends. And the End of the Age of Grace, which we are in now.

This coincides with Hebrews 9:26, where Jesus died on the cross at the completion of the end of the ages
4930 [e] synteleia συντελείᾳ [the] consummation N-DFS
3588 [e] tōn τῶν of the Art-GMP
165 [e] aiōnōn αἰώνων ages, N-GMP

Hebrews 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

foundation-
Strong's Greek Dictionary
2602. καταβολή katabole (katabolḗ)
Search for G2602 in KJVSL; in KJV.
καταβολή katabolḗ, kat-ab-ol-ay'

from G2598; a deposition, i.e. founding; figuratively, conception:—conceive, foundation.

feminine noun

of the world -
Strong's Greek Dictionary
2889. κόσμος kosmos (kósmos)
Search for G2889 in KJVSL; in KJV.
κόσμος kósmos, kos'-mos

probably from the base of G2865; orderly arrangement, i.e. decoration; by implication, the world (in a wide or narrow sense, including its inhabitants, literally or figuratively (morally)):—adorning, world.

This is speaking of the creation. Which we get the world cosmos from. I know self explanatory.

end of World -
Strong's Greek Dictionary
4930. συντέλεια synteleia (syntéleia)
Search for G4930 in KJVSL; in KJV.
συντέλεια syntéleia, soon-tel'-i-ah

from G4931; entire completion, i.e. consummation (of a dispensation):—end.

feminine noun
Strong's Greek Dictionary
165. αἰών aion (aiṓn)
Search for G165 in KJVSL; in KJV.
αἰών aiṓn, ahee-ohn'

from the same as G104; properly, an age; by extension, perpetuity (also past); by implication, the world; specially (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future):—age, course, eternal, (for) ever(-more), (n-)ever, (beginning of the , while the) world (began, without end). Compare G5550.

masculine noun

Here is the same used above. He put away our sins eternally. It isn't about the age.

It also coincides with Paul stating that the end of the ages has arrived in 1 Corinthians 10:11
3588 [e] ta τὰ the Art-NNP
5056 [e] telē τέλη ends N-NNP
3588 [e] tōn τῶν of the Art-GMP
165 [e] aiōnōn αἰώνων ages N-GMP

1 Corinthians 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

This is the first part. The rest follows in 11-14.
God's judgment on the wilderness generation served as a cautionary tale for any Corinthian believer who thought he was strong enough to participate in pagan religious functions without compromise and to escape judgment at the ends of the world. Paul called the Corinthians to recognize their impending accountability before the Lord (1:7-8)

You also have to remember, Paul was convinced Christ was going to return, before He was called home. So He preached as if that was the case.

Jesus is using a parable to describe the destruction of unbelieving Israel. This parable is paralleled with the parable of the fish and even the sheep and the goats. These parables also coincide with Daniel 12:1-4. We also know that Daniel 12:1-4 will be accomplished when the power of the holy people is shattered, Daniel 12:7.

Daniel 12:1-4
Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

At that time - referes to the events predicted in the previous paragraph (not shown; 11:36-45) which details the antichrist's furious attempt to destroy and annihilate the Jewish people (11:44).
Then the archangel Michael who stands watch over the Jewish people will rise to their defense to preserve them. This will be be necessary because the great tribulation (the second half of Daniels seventieth week: Dan 9:27) will be a time of unprecedented trouble. Despite the horrific nature of the persecution of Israel, the result will be that the surviving remnant of the Jewish nation will turn in faith to their Messiah Jesus (Zech 12:10; Rom 11:25-27) and He will deliver them. He will deliver them. The book refers to the heavenly Book of Life in which the names of the elect are listed (Ps 69:28; Php 4:3; Rev. 13:8;17:8;20:15)

Daniel 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

This has preceding scriptures starting at v5.
Daniel saw two more angels, who served as witnesses for the oath of the linen-dressed angel (10:5). Two was the minimum number of witnesses necessary for an oath (Deut 19:15). One of the witnessing angels asked how long until the end of the predicted time of distress (tribulation). The tribulation (The second half of Daniels seventieth week) would be for be for a time, times, and an half of a time, or three and one-half years (7:25;Rev 21:7). By the end of the great tribulation Israel's power will be gone, causing them to turn in faith to their long-rejected Messiah Jesus (Zech 12:10). At that time. He will return and deliever them (Zech 14:1-21) and all these things shall be finished.

Both of these are at the end of the Age of Grace.

In other words, the completion of the end of the age(s) has to due with 70AD and the shattering of the power of the holy people.

Not quite, no rapture. Or taking away of the saints.

1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1 Corinthians 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

Most importantly...Israel still doesn't see Christ as the Messiah. And they will at the end.

 

[Edmond Smith]

Book of John Christ is talking about evil spirits and states, if an evil spirit is removed from a person and the void is not filled, the evil spirit will return bringing 7 worse than its self to live in that person. This is also why mankind quit burning witches at the stake, because after they killed the body, the evil spirit just went to a new person. As this says some of the
spirits are reused.
and Jew, Jewish origin is a splinter group of Hebrews started a religion and Israel is a man not a country. Current day Jews of Israel (the country) are not descendants of Jacob (aka Israel) Their DNA already been checked.

This shows the scope and design of this illustration. The state of that man was a representation of that generation of men. Much might be done to cure their unbelief; much to reform them externally; but such was the firm hold which the principles of infidelity and wickedness had taken of their minds as their proper habitation, that they would return, after all the means used to reform them, and the people would be worse and worse. And this was literally accomplished. After all the instructions and miracles of the Saviour and his apostles; after all that had been done for them by holy men and prophets, and by the judgments and mercies of God; and after all their external temporary reformations--like the temporary departure of an evil spirit from a man possessed--yet such was their love of wickedness, that the nation became worse and worse. They increased in crime, like the sevenfold misery and wretchedness of the man into whose bosom the seven additional evil spirits came. They rejected God's messengers, abused his mercies, crucified his Son, and God gave their temple, and capital, and nation, into the hands of the Romans, and thousands of the people to destruction.

There is no reused spirits.

 

[Edmond Smith]

when reading the bible open your mind to take in the full meaning of a verse and know what the verse is talking about . the verse, roughly 2000 yrs. ago, Satan takes Christ upon a high mountain and shows Him all the kingdoms of the world, Satan says he will give them all to Christ if He would bow down to Satan . What all; is this verse saying. 1st one could actually see all the kingdoms of the world from one spot. For this to be possible the land was not scattered around on a ball(aka earth, present day) the land was all together as it was in Geneses. 2nd Who had control of the kingdoms, and what has happened since then to change that.

Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

It is not probable that anything more here is intended than the kingdoms of Palestine, or the land of Canaan, and those in the immediate vicinity. Judea was divided into three parts, and those parts were called kingdoms; and the sons of Herod, who presided over them, were called kings. The term world is often used in this limited scale to denote a part, or a large part of the world, particularly the land of Canaan. See Ro 4:13, where it means the land of Judah; also Lu 2:1, Cmt. on Lu 2:1.

This is a REAL temptation to Christ.

1. A warning against worldliness.

2. That such an act should be suggested to Christ may prevent those who are troubled with horrid thoughts from despair. (W. H. Hatchings, M. A.)

The persistency of Satan: — As an enemy that besiegeth a city will go about it, and espy where the wall is weakest, and most fit for his entrance, and there will be sure to give his strongest onset; and as a man that Would strike fire with a flint will turn it about in his hand, to see what part is fittest, even so the devil: he goes about a man, and, as it were, turns him to and fro to spy out his weakness, and to what sins he is most inclined; and there he will be sure to try him often, and to assault him with the greatest violence. Example: If a man be impatient of poverty, he will seek to carry him to picking and stealing; if a man be prone to covetousness, he will provoke him to fraud and oppression; if he be inclined to ambition, Satan will puff him up with pride and vainglory. (W. Perkins.)

Successive temptations: — Like the wave that falls over upon the sea shore, only to be followed by others, perhaps of more encroaching violence. (E. Scobell, M. A.)

The subtlety of Satan: — Satan, by the subtlety of his nature and long experience, knoweth our estate, our temper, our hunger, our chief desires; and, accordingly, setteth on us. For though he know not the heart directly, yet he knows our corruption in general, as we are men. Further, by our outward behaviour and gesture he can gather our especial corruptions, as a physician, by outward signs in the pulses and the like, can judge of the particular disease within. Besides, his experience giveth him much light into our weakness, so as like a cunning angler, he can bait his hook, so as he hath experience the fish will take; and though he see not the fish in the water, yet by his gule and cork he can tell when he is taken. So Satan hath for sundry men sundry baits, and can tell by the eye, hand, speech, gesture, whether the man be or will be taken. (T. Taylor, D. D.)

Defeat made subservient to victory by Satan: — It is said of the Duke of Wellington, that he knew how to extract from defeat the means of victory. The prince of darkness is well skilled in this art. (L. H. Wiseman.)

Kingdoms of the world. — His aim was to induce Jesus to seek universal dominion in an easier way than the prophets had foretold, and which the Father had marked out. (L. H. Wiseman.)

Satan's delusive offer of the world: — Satan cannot offer us similar greatness; but he tempts by ruling ambition; as in the case of Alexander, Caesar, and Napoleon. And how the poor fools ,were betrayed! Alexander dies of drunkenness; Caesar was stabbed in the Senatehouse by a friend; and Napoleon died in exile at St. Helena. He tempts also by mere ordinary worldly blessings. (R. Watson.)

He concealed their vanity.

Reflections on the third temptation: —

1. The danger attending worldly prosperity.

2. It is a constant device of Satan to present to us a partial and false view of the world.

3. In the example of Jesus we have a perfect instance of deadness to the world.

4. The example of our Lord rebukes covetous and worldly ambition.

5. That Satan is after all a hard master; under the guise of liberality he solicits severe conditions.

6. Our Lord reveals to us the true riches.

7. The Church is destined for universal dominion. (L. H. Wiseman.)

 

[Bible Highlighter]

One more time: the Last time.

Saying that be a sinner saved by grace. Is just as it means. I was once a sinner and I was saved by grace. That's it.
We are human...last time I checked. We don't go about purposely sinning.

Maybe this will help you understand:
Now the ESV is right to translate “we know that everyone who has been born of God” — and then it translates — “does not keep on sinning,” which helps a little bit, maybe. First John 3:9 has the same issue: “No one born of God makes a practice of sinning for God’s seed abides in him and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.”

We don't keep on sinning, nor do we make a practice of it.

Now I could pull rank with Greek here — which I will — and then I will back up and say that is not the key issue. The idea of the Greek present tense [ἁμαρτάνει / ἁμαρτάνειν] which is being used is that those who are born again, and have the Spirit of God in them, cannot ever make peace with sin, settle in with sin, make sin a friend, be okay with sinning, just go on sinning as though no war needs to be made against it, and nothing will come of it if we do. The present tense says: No, you can’t do that, you can’t make a practice of sinning like that.

But if you don’t know Greek, you don’t have to trust me at this point, because there are a couple of other reasons why non-Greek readers know that this text does not mean that Christians don’t ever do anything wrong.

First John 5:16, two verses earlier: “If anyone sees his brother” — a Christian — “committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask, and God will give him life.” So he can’t mean that Christians don’t sin, because he just gave instruction for how to help Christians who do sin.

The same thing is true in 1 John 1:8–10. “If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”

So in the meaning of 1 John 5:18, I think here in the context, the first and obvious meaning would be: The one who is born of God does not sin unto death; that is, we don’t make peace with sin, settle into a pattern of sinning that will destroy us in the end, prove that we are not truly born of God and are not truly Christians. Christians walk in the light and, according to 1 John 1:8–10, walking in the light is not sinlessness. It is walking in a way that you have eyes to see in the light the ugliness of what you just did and you are sorry for it. You confess it. You keep short accounts with God and you move on. So I think “does not sin” means (1) doesn’t commit the sin unto death and (2) doesn’t settle into a pattern of sinning that proves you have no spiritual life in you.

This also means we are sensitive to sin. We are conscious of it. Not running around blindly doing things and ignoring them thinking we never sinned. When if you did and didn't face it as it is, could lead to issues in the Christian walk.

Second issue: “He who is born of God protects him.” I think that means that Christ — who is called the one born of God, the only begotten of God, the eternally virgin born Spirit, but born by the Spirit Son of God, Christ — guards us from the devil. He intercedes for us and he is with us to the end of the age helping us. And his blood covers us and keeps us safe from Satan’s accusations because none of them can hold, because Christ has died for us.

Third issue: “The evil one does not touch him.” The devil’s accusations and temptations and harassments can hurt us terribly, but they can never destroy us. There is no deadly touch. There is no poisonous bite. His fangs were removed at the cross, and his lethal poison is taken away from believers. He cannot destroy us.

So I take “cannot touch us” to mean can’t touch us with any deadly touch. He can hurt us terribly. I don’t want to minimize Satan’s realty in this world. He can throw us in prison and he can move others to kill us, according to Revelation 2:10, but he can’t hurt us ultimately. He can’t touch us with the touch of destruction and damnation. That has been taken out of his hand by the blood of Jesus. Jesus did that when he died on the cross according to Colossians 2:15. He disarmed the principalities and powers when he died and shed his blood.

So the only begotten of God is, indeed, our perfect and everlasting protector

Thanks to God and John Piper for all this information.

Hope that helps you. That is what is meant by "sinner saved by grace".

Learn about John Piper's teachings.

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[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[helping]

So in your thoughts, when did the continents split apart, with a few of these answers one can defeat the evolution theory, with the land split apart can it all be flooded, but as it was in Genesis land in one piece surrounded by mountains as wall to keep the seas out (aka bathtub)
which is floodable, didn't ever rain prior to flood, river system and dew to water earth. Now river system drains the earth. and If God was upset enough to split the earth into while Christ was on the cross then I think it changes some things that we were taught wrong.

 

[Edmond Smith]

Learn about John Piper's teachings.

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Read it, I'll not defend John Piper. He can do that well enough himself.

But the writer did make some mistakes. First he assumed a lot. Piper never says to this Mara, once saved always saved. He doesn't even allude to it.

The writer is making a lot of presuppositions and assumptions. He has taken what is obviously a conversation between John Piper and this girl Mara. And He cherry picked what He wanted to discuss about. Without contextual content. He is just proof texting.
So, Until I see the whole conversation between John Piper and this young lady Mara. I'll make a judgment then. Until then. I suggest no one make assumptions on a snippet of a conversation.

But what John Piper included in the information I posted. It isn't wrong. It's on the money and all scripture.

 

[helping]

Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

It is not probable that anything more here is intended than the kingdoms of Palestine, or the land of Canaan, and those in the immediate vicinity. Judea was divided into three parts, and those parts were called kingdoms; and the sons of Herod, who presided over them, were called kings. The term world is often used in this limited scale to denote a part, or a large part of the world, particularly the land of Canaan. See Ro 4:13, where it means the land of Judah; also Lu 2:1, Cmt. on Lu 2:1.

This is a REAL temptation to Christ.

1. A warning against worldliness.

2. That such an act should be suggested to Christ may prevent those who are troubled with horrid thoughts from despair. (W. H. Hatchings, M. A.)

The persistency of Satan: — As an enemy that besiegeth a city will go about it, and espy where the wall is weakest, and most fit for his entrance, and there will be sure to give his strongest onset; and as a man that Would strike fire with a flint will turn it about in his hand, to see what part is fittest, even so the devil: he goes about a man, and, as it were, turns him to and fro to spy out his weakness, and to what sins he is most inclined; and there he will be sure to try him often, and to assault him with the greatest violence. Example: If a man be impatient of poverty, he will seek to carry him to picking and stealing; if a man be prone to covetousness, he will provoke him to fraud and oppression; if he be inclined to ambition, Satan will puff him up with pride and vainglory. (W. Perkins.)

Successive temptations: — Like the wave that falls over upon the sea shore, only to be followed by others, perhaps of more encroaching violence. (E. Scobell, M. A.)

The subtlety of Satan: — Satan, by the subtlety of his nature and long experience, knoweth our estate, our temper, our hunger, our chief desires; and, accordingly, setteth on us. For though he know not the heart directly, yet he knows our corruption in general, as we are men. Further, by our outward behaviour and gesture he can gather our especial corruptions, as a physician, by outward signs in the pulses and the like, can judge of the particular disease within. Besides, his experience giveth him much light into our weakness, so as like a cunning angler, he can bait his hook, so as he hath experience the fish will take; and though he see not the fish in the water, yet by his gule and cork he can tell when he is taken. So Satan hath for sundry men sundry baits, and can tell by the eye, hand, speech, gesture, whether the man be or will be taken. (T. Taylor, D. D.)

Defeat made subservient to victory by Satan: — It is said of the Duke of Wellington, that he knew how to extract from defeat the means of victory. The prince of darkness is well skilled in this art. (L. H. Wiseman.)

Kingdoms of the world. — His aim was to induce Jesus to seek universal dominion in an easier way than the prophets had foretold, and which the Father had marked out. (L. H. Wiseman.)

Satan's delusive offer of the world: — Satan cannot offer us similar greatness; but he tempts by ruling ambition; as in the case of Alexander, Caesar, and Napoleon. And how the poor fools ,were betrayed! Alexander dies of drunkenness; Caesar was stabbed in the Senatehouse by a friend; and Napoleon died in exile at St. Helena. He tempts also by mere ordinary worldly blessings. (R. Watson.)

He concealed their vanity.

Reflections on the third temptation: —

1. The danger attending worldly prosperity.

2. It is a constant device of Satan to present to us a partial and false view of the world.

3. In the example of Jesus we have a perfect instance of deadness to the world.

4. The example of our Lord rebukes covetous and worldly ambition.

5. That Satan is after all a hard master; under the guise of liberality he solicits severe conditions.

6. Our Lord reveals to us the true riches.

7. The Church is destined for universal dominion. (L. H. Wiseman.)

Why not read it as it says rather than assume it means something else, If Satan meant the kingdoms of Palestine why would HE say world ? Are you saying He doesn't Know the difference?? If one actually looks around, it doesn't take much thought, to figure out that Satan is still in control of all the Kingdoms of the world.