Women, Head Coverings, and Hillsong.

[mayadanielle]

I follow Taya on Instagram and she's mentioned before how bleaching her hair platinum/grey has made it weak and unhealthy. When your hair is chemically damaged, the only thing there is really left to do is cut it. Whether or not she grows it back, I don't really understand all the animosity.

 

[brinny]

I follow Taya on Instagram and she's mentioned before how bleaching her hair platinum/grey has made it weak and unhealthy. When your hair is chemically damaged, the only thing there is really left to do is cut it. Whether or not she grows it back, I don't really understand all the animosity.

That's not a "hair cut".

It's a "buzz" cut.

(Did you read all the posts on this thread?)

 

[HeLeadethMe]

Ok how about it is shameful for a man to have long hair
deuteronomy 22:5
The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are ABOMINATION unto the LORD thy God.

How about you MEN who are still acting like boys and are 20-40 years old MAN UP.......
Stop piercing your ears wearing womens jewelry....prissing around and walking like a sissy....
having a floppy fish hand shake like a woman........
laughing and talking like a girl thinking its funny.......
wearing long hair condemning the girls for their appearances........

Go out and play some takle football...join a boxing club or something....
stop being a momas boy and GET OUTSIDE AND build a fence or work in the yard.....
work on the farm with your grandad.........
stop whining about the time your dad was too rough on you for spanking you when you were younger....

We were all busted with a board in public school when I was a kid and our principals priding themselves on how many boards they could break and how for your behind would raise up off the floor!!!!

This was all a right of passage.........
It was good for us and helped us become MEN........

Thank you sir, I appreciate your reply.........amen, yep, that's good. Ouch, sorry for the boards though, hope that wasn't going too far..........but if it was, forgive your enemies and put it behind you, no pun intended.

I can't help but wonder if television has robbed men of their manhood and place of leadership, really, instead of being the man of the house and leading by EXAMPLE, too many men sit around watching sports and shoot-em-up movies for hours on end.

And I sure hope to hear more answers, maybe later on...........guys........?

 

[NothingIsImpossible]

I feel bad for her because when she gets to heaven Gods gonna be like "Sorry lady, you got a buzz cut and I can't let you in! Its a sin that sends you to hell and all since your suppose to wear a head covering! Or at least thats what someone on earth said!".

I'd say there are bigger issues in life then what some woman does with her head who is a christian. Especially since we don't know the reason. Terrorist blowing up bombs, children committing suicide...etc and a christian singer getting a buzz cut. One of these things is not like the other. With that said I'll still listen to Hillsong.

 

[brinny]

I feel bad for her because when she gets to heaven Gods gonna be like "Sorry lady, you got a buzz cut and I can't let you in! Its a sin that sends you to hell and all since your suppose to wear a head covering! Or at least thats what someone on earth said!".

I'd say there are bigger issues in life then what some woman does with her head who is a christian. Especially since we don't know the reason. Terrorist blowing up bombs, children committing suicide...etc and a christian singer getting a buzz cut. One of these things is not like the other. With that said I'll still listen to Hillsong.

Did you read all the posts on this thread?

 

[HeLeadethMe]

I think this would be a great discussion. If you'd like to start a new thread I'd love to chime in.

okay brother, I did as you suggested, thanks.........called it "God's instructions to Christian men". I'm looking forward to learning and hearing from you guys.

And just want to say I don't mean at all to discourage the person who opened this post, I believe he made some good points to ponder, just that, well, we just don't seem to hear much about how men are to be, and I consider it is even more important teaching in a way for the kingdom of God than teaching about women, since men carry the leadership, whether for good or ill.

 

[Phil 1:21]

And just want to say I don't mean at all to discourage the person who opened this post, I believe he made some good points to ponder, just that, well, we just don't seem to hear much about how men are to be, and I consider it is even more important teaching in a way for the kingdom of God than teaching about women, since men carry the leadership, whether for good or ill.

I'm right there with you.

 

[brinny]

In the same manner then, no one except you and jimmyjimmy mentioned anyone transitioning, and yet you thought to call for her to step down if that is the case.

I think the thread should reflect that as well.

The thread reflects a complete absence of the recognition of the living and holy God, and that THAT He is the reason there is "worship" in the first place.

Any distraction from God, Whom we are to be "worshiping" is dis-placing Him from the focus of any "worship".

It's not about "us".

It's about God.

God help us.

Praying.

 

[brinny]

I agree we should be praying, and appreciate your prayers, I'm just saying that critiquing someone from bringing up (jokingly, I'm assuming) Madonna to illustrate a point is tough when you felt comfortable enough to speculate about whether someone got a haircut because of a secret transgender identity.

I agree about prayers, brother.

Seriously.

GOD is first, whether one is a worship leader, Sunday school teacher, part of the choir, or sitting there in that pew.

ESPECIALLY if one is there on that stage "leading" in "worship".

To become the center of attention (regardless of how one does this) has NO place in worshiping the living God nor as a "leader" of said worship. It dis-places God Himself, and by golly, right there in the sanctuary, and right on stage.

This is nothing new.

It goes waaaaaay back.

For there was one that was wanting to de-throne God and be "as" God.

it was so from the beginning.

And he's been trying to do so ever since.

Nothing new.

He's quite good at it.

Always has been.

 

[brinny]

I appreciate your response.

Is it fair to say then that you disagree with this woman's profession, regardless of her hair? I have certainly met people that have that approach.

Would you care to elaborate?

I had not given much thought to Taya. Didn't even know her name till this thread. I mostly remember the song "Oceans" which i loved for a time.

i suppose a bigger issue is Hillsong and the, to put it mildly, questionable twists and turns their "worship" and "preaching"? was taking, especially in NYC.

Do i object to "buzz" cuts?

No.

Do i start paying attention to "worship" leaders, etc. who claim to love God with all their heart, soul, mind, and strength and presumably understand what it means to reverence, honor, and bow their will down to this living God, and THAT is why they are up there on that stage?

Yes.

Do i understand how utterly subtle the enemy is and that this enemy's goal is "dis-place" God in a flurry of distractions so that even His own don't realize that they are getting "swallowed up" in these distractions?

Yes.

NOTHING or NO ONE is more important that GOD.

NOBODY.

It doesn't matter if they sang an awesome song called "Oceans" and they and ev'ry one else up there is singin' their hearts out.

It goes waaaaay deeper than a "buzz" cut.

 

[GodisLove2]

Paul's letter was about traditions of the church at the time.

So, for example, someone with a high school education in Indonesia before reading Paul's epistles must take a course in first century Greek culture and traditions?

 

[brinny]

No problem!

You had said "

Does that refer to someone actually being a worship 'leader' as causing them to be the center of attention? Because i'm not sure if this Hillsong leader has done much to make herself the center of attention, other than getting a haircut. I'm just curious what exactly you're referring to when you suggest she has made herself the center.

I think most of the possible responses to that question would apply to most people in her position - being on stage, lighting, social media, etc. Is it that she got a dramatic cut?

I have met people who believe there shouldn't be such worship 'leaders', who instead prefer either traditional chants (communal, lead by clergy), or following along lyric videos, etc.

Who has been the object of attention in this entire thread?

God?

Has there been contention and derision?

Over what?

God?

On another note, this comes to mind:

What are the 7 things God hates?

 

[GodisLove2]

New to the forum after several years and some observations for what it is worth. I think this forum is for discussions and learning. There are Christian snowflakes throwing around names like judgmental, Pharisee, etc. If you don't agree you don't have to be disgusted or bitter, just move on.

I believe there is a difference between judging and condemning. Judge righteously. Discussions without condemning anyone is encouraging each other. Thank you.

 

[PeaceJoyLove]

The thread reflects a complete absence of the recognition of the living and holy God, and that THAT He is the reason there is "worship" in the first place.

Any distraction from God, Whom we are to be "worshiping" is dis-placing Him from the focus of any "worship".

It's not about "us".

It's about God.

God help us.

Praying.

The thing with worshipping God, it is not just singing a song, hands uplifted. It is to be in all our ways we conduct ourselves, walking in obedience to HIM and HIS call to holiness. HIS spirit promises to cleanse us from that 'old' nature and make us a new creation that is able to worship HIM in spirit and in truth.

A lot of conjecture based on human understanding has written in this thread. The OP used scripture and voiced a concern...and a majority on this thread automatically thought evil of the writer. Should that be so?Looking to scripture, not what our human mind determines...

When it comes to ministries and offices within the "Church", there are very many scriptures that clearly say how that person must conduct them self. They are sharing a message en masse and how they act, behave and everything they do is out there on display for all to see. Many may not know scripture at all and get a false perception on how a true biblical Christian is to conduct themselves. The question then becomes...are they God appointed or man appointed...?

So much of what is going on within the four-walled church is that not many have grown up into Christ and began producing the proper fruit (of the spirit) so when they go out casting seed, what kind of seed are they sowing? A weak gospel lacking in the Power that Jesus Christ promised...We are to be walking testimonies...without having to say a word, our inward heart by our actions is seen.

Winking at sin is not in scripture, is it?? God is not an 'anything goes' kinda God. "Be ye holy..." "Go and sin no more."

Proverbs 10:8 The wise in heart will receive commandments: but a prating fool shall fall.

9 He that walketh uprightly walketh surely: but he that perverteth his ways shall be known.

10 He that winketh with the eye causeth sorrow: but a prating fool shall fall.

11 The mouth of a righteous man is a well of life: but violence covereth the mouth of the wicked.

 

[brinny]

New to the forum after several years and some observations for what it is worth. I think this forum is for discussions and learning. There are Christian snowflakes throwing around names like judgmental, Pharisee, etc. If you don't agree you don't have to be disgusted or bitter, just move on.

I believe there is a difference between judging and condemning. Judge righteously. Discussions without condemning anyone is encouraging each other. Thank you.

Hello GodisLove2. Welcome back.

And i agree that we should discuss the issues presented without turning on each other, which surely is not pleasing to God, nor honoring to Him.

 

[ColoRaydo]

So, for example, someone with a high school education in Indonesia before reading Paul's epistles must take a course in first century Greek culture and traditions?

Not at all. But I hope a new believer in Indonesia with a high school education doesn't believe she has to put a hat on to pray, and I really hope someone covered in tatoos, piercings, and spiky hair doesn't think they can't accept Jesus Christ and feel loved and worthy until they fit someone else's conservative norms. That's just plain wrong and will drive people away from Christ, when I see no greater purpose in our lives than to lead others TO Christ.

And I happen to be tatt-free and a retired military conservative if you doubt my frame of reference.

 

[brinny]

I understand the bible speaks about causing others to stumble, but this thread was started by someone with the specific purpose of talking about this issue. Surely all of that responsibility doesn't rest on the worship leader?

For example, if I were to start a discussion thread on some inane topic relating to, say, the person who sells me a slice of pizza every tuesday, then surely it's difficult to say that they are making themselves the center of attention due to the fact that we're talking about it.

Missed my point?

On another note, i asked you about the 7 things that it is written that God hates.

Would you care to respond?

Thank you kindly.

 

[ColoRaydo]

And by the way GodisLove2 and brinny, I don't take our differences in opinions as personal attacks. Please don't take mine as such. My opinion on opinions is "I may be wrong".

 

[brinny]

And by the way GodisLove2 and brinny, I don't take our differences in opinions as personal attacks. Please don't take mine as such. My opinion on opinions is "I may be wrong".

We do not differ so greatly then, brother.

I also adhere to "I may be wrong".

And that is because i am.

A lot.

That's why i'm thankful for God's inexplicable grace.

Thank you kindly.

 

[PeaceJoyLove]

I understand the bible speaks about causing others to stumble, but this thread was started by someone with the specific purpose of talking about this issue. Surely all of that responsibility doesn't rest on the worship leader?

For example, if I were to start a discussion thread on some inane topic relating to, say, the person who sells me a slice of pizza every tuesday, then surely it's difficult to say that they are making themselves the center of attention due to the fact that we're talking about it.

There are lots of scripture that tell us how those in ministry are to behave and conduct themselves...'above reproach' is mentioned. Getting a haircut (buzz cut) that looks transgender in this day and age can send a message that isn't from the Bible. Our conduct is more important than what comes out of the mouth...because our conduct reveals the heart's condition.

Instead of automatically tearing the writer of the OP apart, perhaps a look at the full counsel of scripture is in order...because even the way the writer has been treated speaks volumes contrary to scriptures...automatically pointing the finger and thinking evil of a brother/sister...I think there just might be a few scriptures on that, too.