Women, Head Coverings, and Hillsong.

[brinny]

Maybe she wants to look like Miley or Katy.

She also might be signaling some transgender thing. She does now look like a dude, which is the very reason for the biblical prohibition against this.

It was in the back of my mind......

the bottom line is, Hillsong has some serious disturbing issues already, especially in NYC, but elsewhere as well.

If Taya Smith is "transitioning" into anything she needs to step down as a worship leader.

On another note, it's time, with this startling li'l "display"/"message", that she give a testimony if she's gonna remain a worship leader, and if Hillsong is going to allow this "transitioning" devoid of God to continue, they need to get to testmony-ing themselves.

EVERYTHING any of us do, is a "testimony". Surely we KNOW that?

We are "Christ's", not our "own".

God help us.

Praying.

 

[brinny]

A good point. However, why was this discussion started?

Someone said she's "wrong", I said focus on the message not the messenger.

There was curiosity about why this worship leader had a "buzz" cut, and if there was a "testimony" behind it.

 

[FoundInGrace]

It seems like the ones who instantly saw her hair and made it an idol before God are the ones who have a problem.
Most people hardly noticed her change of hair until the judgments about her were made in the op, and even then to most people who get that God looks at the heart not the outside of a person we're thinking 'what's the big deal? It's just hair?!?'
But I guess legalisticness needs something to find to nit pick.

If you'd rather have Madonna (she currently has longish hair so she's obviously qualified as that's all you apparently need) to take your worship time then go ahead

 

[brinny]

It seems like the ones who instantly saw her hair and made it an idol before God are the ones who have a problem.
Most people hardly noticed her change of hair until the judgments about her were made in the op, and even then to most people who get that God looks at the heart not the outside of a person we're thinking 'what's the big deal? It's just hair?!?'
But I guess legalisticness needs something to find to nit pick.

If you'd rather have Madonna (she currently has longish hair so she's obviously qualified as that's all you apparently need according to the op) to take your worship time then go ahead

LOL!

Are you recommending Madonna as a worship leader?

 

[FoundInGrace]

LOL!

Are you recommending Madonna as a worship leader?

I think the op would approve as her hair is longish so shes obviously more qualified than the hillsong woman apparently. As long as outward appearances (ie long hair) fit then isn't that all that matters.

 

[christina Pickle]

I noticed with much displeasure that one of the female worship leaders at Hillsong has shaved her head.

Now to many of you this may seem to be nitpicking and touching on a peripheral issue; but I assure you that it is important to the Lord.

First of all, there is Luke 16:10. He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust (unrighteous) in that which is least is unjust (unrighteous) also in much.

This female worship leader is unjust in that which is least, as we will see that the matter of long and short hair is of importance to the angels and therefore the issue must be observed strictly according to the scriptures lest we be a stumbling block to them.

Therefore to the leadership at Hillsong I ask that she be taken down from ministry until her hair grows back.

Even Samson didn't get his strength back until his hair became a proper length once again to prove that his Nazirite vow was once more in effect.

Now of course when one member of the body suffers, we all suffer as members of the body, so such a disciplinary action is sometihng that we would all feel. But I say that this ought to be done for the sake of the angels.

1 Corintihans 11:10, For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

Now I am saying this with the idea in mind that the normal covering that God considers to be "power on her head" is long hair given to the woman...see 1 Corinthians 11:13-15. But for the sake of propriety in worship, another solution other than waiting for her hair to grow back might be to provide a scarf for her to put over her head during times of public ministry, as is the pracitce of the Amish and certain other groups.

I want to also say that it is alright for Hillsong to televise certain teaching sessions where women are doing the teaching, but that it needs to be clear that there is a male person who is that person's covering. It is written, Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgession. 1 Timothy 2:11-14.
Therefore the woman must be covered spiritually by a male who is over her, who will judge her message before it is given to make sure that it doesn't contain elements of deception within it.

We cannot know what is in the heart of anyone. I agree that the
Bible teaches that woman are to have longer hair, but it is symbolic of there subjection. If a woman has cancer or for some other reason must cut her hair or looses it, does that mean that she does not have a pure heart? You need to also include other verses like Ephesians 5:21 that tells us to be in subjection one to another.. this verse includes men. Simply put, as Christians we all are to be humble and in subjection to each other and all under Christ. In addition, when the Bible says that women are not to teach or have authority over men in 1 Tim., in the context, it is specifically talking about behavior in the Church. There are instances in the Bible where women do teach men like Priscilla, but not in authority in the church. The role of women is very important in the church, but it is just different than the man's role. The man is not "over" the woman in the terms that we think of the word "over" meaning... What I mean by this is for example, the husband is supposed to love his wife like Christ loved the church and gave himself for it. Men are to give themselves for their wives and protect them and Christ is the perfect example. Christ was "over" the disciples, yet he served them. If any woman had a husband that wanted to be "over" her in this way, no one would ever object. To think that a man would be "over" a woman in the sense that she is beneath him is very worldly. The world has always tried to devalue and degrade women. Why do you think that is? In fact, every religion degrades women EXCEPT for TRUE Christianity, which is not a religion but a relationship. Furthermore, it is not the job of a man to judge a woman's message to the world, family, or her church... that is God's place alone. God gave women to men because men needed a helper.. a helper to be in charge of the home(yes the Bible teaches that the woman is in charge of the home) and so much more.

 

[brinny]

I think the op would approve as her hair is longish so shes obviously more qualified than the hillsong woman apparently. As long as outward appearances (ie long hair) fit then isn't that all that matters.

LOL!

It sounds like you've made your nomination then.

The OP didn't mention Madonna. You did.

Duly noted.

 

[brinny]

We cannot know what is in the heart of anyone. I agree that the
Bible teaches that woman are to have longer hair, but it is symbolic of there subjection. If a woman has cancer or for some other reason must cut her hair or looses it, does that mean that she does not have a pure heart? You need to also include other verses like Ephesians 5:21 that tells us to be in subjection one to another.. this verse includes men. Simply put, as Christians we all are to be humble and in subjection to each other and all under Christ. In addition, when the Bible says that women are not to teach or have authority over men in 1 Tim., in the context, it is specifically talking about behavior in the Church. There are instances in the Bible where women do teach men like Priscilla, but not in authority in the church. The role of women is very important in the church, but it is just different than the man's role. The man is not "over" the woman in the terms that we think of the word "over" meaning... What I mean by this is for example, the husband is supposed to love his wife like Christ loved the church and gave himself for it. Men are to give themselves for their wives and protect them and Christ is the perfect example. Christ was "over" the disciples, yet he served them. If any woman had a husband that wanted to be "over" her in this way, no one would ever object. To think that a man would be "over" a woman in the sense that she is beneath him is very worldly. The world has always tried to devalue and degrade women. Why do you think that is? In fact, every religion degrades women EXCEPT for TRUE Christianity, which is not a religion but a relationship. Furthermore, it is not the job of a man to judge a woman's message to the world, family, or her church... that is God's place alone. God gave women to men because men needed a helper.. a helper to be in charge of the home(yes the Bible teaches that the woman is in charge of the home) and so much more.

Did you read all of the posts in this thread?

 

[Phil 1:21]

LOL! Well by golly, if she wanted attention, she sher 'nuff gots it now.

Who CARES if she's the object of attention and not GOD, right?

Especially as worship leader.

Says the person who is making her hair the object of attention. Watch out for that plank.

 

[brinny]

Says the person who is making her hair the object of attention. Watch out for that plank.

You just clarified my point.

LOL!

 

[brinny]

I've already been cursed with eternal condemnation in this thread (post 41), and I have to get to work, so @brinny I'll leave this in your capable hands.

My brother, this is going in GOD'S hands.

Praying, bro'

Have a blessed time at work.

God bless you.

 

[Phil 1:21]

You just clarified my point.

LOL!

That you're complaining about someone else doing something that you yourself are doing? You're welcome.

 

[brinny]

That you're complaining about someone else doing something that you yourself are doing? You're welcome.

Nice try.

LOL!

 

[Traveling teacher]

I am a woman who believes what is written in the bible, and I pop something on my head even in my private prayer time, as well as believe in male headship. However, I would love for once to see just one post teaching Christian men how to be Godly men...........the fact that in the more than 30 years I have known the Lord, time and time again I have heard sermons and seen posts concerning women submitting to husbands and covering heads etc, but almost nothing to teach men what God asks of them. It tells me that almost nobody understands what God requires of the men, since they never bring it up. It gets even more concerning especially when we consider that oft reminding is always needed on all things biblical, much less initial teaching. Since men have GOD-GIVEN leadership......it follows that if they had been living according to God's standards as men, there would not be so many problems that we see concerning women in the church nowadays, since the tail on a Body naturally tends to follow the head when it's going somewhere, most of the time at least.

(And I would add that Hillsong's and the whole church's problems go way deeper than a woman on stage having her hair shaved hair or not, so to solve outward symptons, why not focus on the root problems first.)

So guys..........I am challenging you..........let's see what you know about how you are supposed to comport yourselves on this earth, in the Body of Christ and in your homes. Let's hear it gentlemen, please...........dying for thirst here on that subject! Famine in the land!

Ok how about it is shameful for a man to have long hair
deuteronomy 22:5
The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are ABOMINATION unto the LORD thy God.

How about you MEN who are still acting like boys and are 20-40 years old MAN UP.......
Stop piercing your ears wearing womens jewelry....prissing around and walking like a sissy....
having a floppy fish hand shake like a woman........
laughing and talking like a girl thinking its funny.......
wearing long hair condemning the girls for their appearances........

Go out and play some takle football...join a boxing club or something....
stop being a momas boy and GET OUTSIDE AND build a fence or work in the yard.....
work on the farm with your grandad.........
stop whining about the time your dad was too rough on you for spanking you when you were younger....

We were all busted with a board in public school when I was a kid and our principals priding themselves on how many boards they could break and how for your behind would raise up off the floor!!!!

This was all a right of passage.........
It was good for us and helped us become MEN........

 

[Phil 1:21]

Nice try.

LOL!

That's alright. Some day maybe you'll see it.

 

[Phil 1:21]

the fact that in the more than 30 years I have known the Lord, time and time again I have heard sermons and seen posts concerning women submitting to husbands and covering heads etc, but almost nothing to teach men what God asks of them. It tells me that almost nobody understands what God requires of the men, since they never bring it up.

Our church actually does this very often. Then again, we don't have a problem hearing from a female preacher either.

 

[brinny]

That's alright. Some day maybe you'll see it.

LOL! How ironic.

i was thinkin' da same thing 'bout'chu

 

[Phil 1:21]

LOL! How ironic.

i was thinkin' da same thing 'bout'chu

I'm not surprised. It's been kind of your thing on this thread. God bless.

 

[HeLeadethMe]

Our church actually does this very often. Then again, we don't have a problem hearing from a female preacher either.

Well then Jay, you must have a few things to share with us on the subject by now........would like to hear what you are learning...........

 

[Phil 1:21]

Well then Jay, you must have a few things to share with us on the subject by now........would like to hear what you are learning...........

I think this would be a great discussion. If you'd like to start a new thread I'd love to chime in.