Pretend I'm an atheist. How would you convert me?

[frienden thalord]

Unless GOD hovers over them nothing can be done with them they are spiritually dead walking flesh they cannot understand or collaborate with GOD you can ware yourself out trying.

The best witness you can be to aid the HOLY SPIRIT and conversion of souls is to live a life that emulates CHRIST that is so blessed that it makes unbelievers jealous and come running to you to get what you have.

go back up and read what Solomons Porch First said.
and then ponder what I say next
IF you follow , obey the SPRIIT then you already will walk as Christ and speak truth.
its all about what the young lady first said. You on the right track, I was just helping you see it a bit clearer.

 

[SnowyMacie]

I would listen to them, understand them, answer questions they had, begin a dialogue,and try to show a genuine interest in them and love them. I would show them that Christianity is different through my actions and words, nobody has ever been converted because someone preached to them on the internet.

Let's say, for example, that I believe in evolution instead of creationism. What would you tell me?

That many, in fact most Christians around the world, accept evolutionary theory and other forms of modern science. You do not have to throw away your scientific knowledge to be a Christian.

 

[frienden thalord]

IF any man desire to be wise, let him become a fool to this worlds wisdom that he may be made wise.
one more wonderful time.........let us go read what solomons porch first said. words of pure beauty.

 

[IAMABELIEVER1979]

I Cor 2:4
4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

Amen to that

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

Unless you didn't communicate the gospel message then you actually did not fail miserably.

 

[Solomons Porch]

Yes, I do. It's a long story. Wanna hear it?

If you say yes, it'll take a lot of time before I can post it. And to be honest with you, I'd rather you say no. Either way, I'll satisfy your answer.

ok lol...... then I will say no
but that is what testimony means
that a person can see the difference in the old man vs new man
have u tried sharing this with them?
then let the Holy Spirt in the previous scripture given do the rest

 

[rockytopva]

If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2)

And there are three varieties...

Natural E/c2 - All mass is basically cooled plasma
Mental E/c2 - Mentally, A mathematical formula, but this has chemical and spiritual properties as well.
Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)

Simply... Let the spiritual light and energies shine out of you!

14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. - Matthew 5

 

[GillDouglas]

Unless you didn't communicate the gospel message then you actually did not fail miserably.

Even so, the Gospel may fall upon deaf ears. It is not within an unbeliever's natural ability to come to Christ on his own, without some kind of divine assistance. A bucket of water doesn't bring itself out of the well by mere words, you must drag it up. The same is true for the those we evangelize and witness to. God does the dragging.

 

[_-iconoclast-_]

Pretend I'm an atheist. How would you convert me?



The title says it all.

I went to an atheist forum to preach about God and failed miserably. I don't know if they were closed-minded or I was just too much of an idiot to persuade someone of anything. Either way, I want to be someone who is good at debating on the side of my God.

So how would you approach such a situation? What would you tell me to convince me out of my atheism?

Let's say, for example, that I believe in evolution instead of creationism. What would you tell me? (That's just one example of many. Don't focus on it, please.)

Hello

Ive been at the atheists for a couple of years now. Atheists are materialist, condescending and full of hate. They all have their own reasons for rejected the Most High.

Your average atheist has learnt what he knows via tv, internet and what ever they heard from someone else.

Watch out. They will gang up on you, interept words the way they see fit and treat you as a dimwit.

If you go at them be fully prepared, write your posts with patience and try not to let emotion get the better of you. Atheism is built on a negative so watch out and dont let the negativity get into you. Ask God for guidance before you undertake.

There really isnt any magic formula. I can recommend a book 'does God believe in atheists' with many points to hammer at the atheist.

I believe most atheists are misotheists - at least the ones on the internet. Evidence is what makes ppl reconsider their position and if you can make someone doubt their position, then that is a good start.

Atheistism and evolution are a faith. Good luck and God bless

 

[Douggg]

Pretend I'm an atheist. How would you convert me?

The title says it all.

I went to an atheist forum to preach about God and failed miserably. I don't know if they were closed-minded or I was just too much of an idiot to persuade someone of anything. Either way, I want to be someone who is good at debating on the side of my God.

So how would you approach such a situation? What would you tell me to convince me out of my atheism?

Let's say, for example, that I believe in evolution instead of creationism. What would you tell me? (That's just one example of many. Don't focus on it, please.)

I would not waste too much time on it... because they are not going to listen.

No-one "converts" to Christianity. That's the first thing I would say. The correct term is become a Christian. It is only by a prayer to God accepting Jesus as His way to be right with Him.

Why would anyone believe that there is a God and how do Jesus fit in ? I would try to get the person to get interested in end times bible prophesy, and if he could imagine the world going to hell in a handbasket. Well that's pretty easy to do, if you point him to check out You Tube on global collapse of the economy - of his choice. Then I would mention that the bible says everyone with need to take a mark, or 666 to buy or sell, in Revelation 13.

And I would offer him this outline Revelation - as many people pickup the bible and by interest go to the bottomline which the last book in the bible. It will be totally confusing to him - but with this outline, it may spark an interest....

All of Revelation is about Jesus's Coming again.

The end times chapters, 6-19, are structured on the seven years and the second half of the seven years of Daniel 9:27.

Chapters 1-3 Jesus tells the churches how to behave until he comes.

Chapters 4-5 John is caught up to heaven to be shown the end times

Chapter 6 is an overview of the 70th week of Daniel 9, start to finish.

Chapters 7-9 is what takes place during the second half of the 70th week.

Chapters 10-11 is the 70th week according to the little book John eats

Chapter 12 is the 70th week relevant to Israel.

Chapters 13-14 is the second half of the 70th week, the great tribulation.

Chapters 15-16 is the second half of the 70th week, God's vials of wrath.

Chapters 17-18 is about Mystery Babylon, the beast, the seven kings and ten kings

Chapter 19 is the glorious return of Jesus to complete the 70th week.

Chapter 20 is the 1000 year rule of Jesus upon this earth, and the final curtain for Satan.

Chapters 21-22 is about eternity, our place in the new heaven and new earth

 

[Alithis]

In this world there are lost sinners.
Some are looking to be saved
Others are looking to sin more and self justify doing so..

The latter sometimes label themselves athiest.
There is no such thing.

 

[Toro]

The best way I think to show an atheist the way is to NOT be a blatant hypocrite.

Of course, we all have moments where we become "do as I say not as I do" but as with sin. For a follower of Christ, it should NOT be a character trait. It should be as with sin, yes, none of us are perfect so we will stumble into sin or our own hypocrisy but we should not LIVE in it as a pig with its own slop.

The best way to show an atheist what Christ is about is to truly follow Christ, to love not judge. We are to correct our brothers and sisters in Christ, NOT tell the world how wrong it is for living as it does as we were once living.

Approaching someone screaming "YOU'RE ALL GOING TO HELL!!" is ONLY going to push a nonbeliever away by making them defensive (and not listen to ANYTHING you have to say), not bring them into the love and mercy of the Lord.

I know it is the hypocrite Christians (those that LIVE in their hypocrisy rather than repent from their mistakes) that take so much pride in what they do in the church, how "perfect" they live and pride about how often they spend in the Word....... then turn around and spew nothing but venom at an unbeliever as if they are saved due to their own works and NOT by the mercy of God, YES the very same mercy that one day may just save the unbeliever they just spi.

Those are the VERY people that made me dislike and annoyed at Christians, thus pushing me away from the Truth of Christ for many years and remain in my resistance to a belief in a creator because I didn't want to be associated with them.

I am not on a high horse. I have my many flaws where I must repent and give them all to the Lord..... but, IF we would all as a group come together, put away the lifestyle of living in sin we have accepted as "acceptable because no one is perfect", deal with the plank in our own eyes, then see clearly to remove the speck from our brother or sisters eye and LOVE eachother truly as a family in the same body. There would be actions that the world could not explain nor deny. Instead of division and bickering between us that is based on little more than arrogance and pride. Not love and mercy. (You don't have to allow truth to be compromised, to remain in peace... such as speak truth... if there are no ears to hear or eyes to see, dust off and walk away)

I do know that if all we do as Christians is be in Christ by name only and not bear any spiritual fruit..... how IS an atheist supposed to be drawn to the life of a Christian is to see Christians lacking the promised peace through a storm. To not have the joy that is promised, To not have the victory that is promised and all the other promises of God.

If those aren't there for a nonbeliever to see, why would they believe if they see NO difference between you and the other someodd billion people in the world.

"Don't do this, don't do that, or that...... have zero fun in this life and gain nothing. Even I don't believe what I preach cause I judge you cause you disagree" is what an atheist sees.

****** The short answer to the question*********
I think the BEST way to convert is to work on ourselves and our own hearts. The more we can deny our flesh and die on our cross, the more that the Lord can shine through us and that is a light that can't be denied.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Pretend I'm an atheist. How would you convert me?



The title says it all.

I went to an atheist forum to preach about God and failed miserably. I don't know if they were closed-minded or I was just too much of an idiot to persuade someone of anything. Either way, I want to be someone who is good at debating on the side of my God.

So how would you approach such a situation? What would you tell me to convince me out of my atheism?

Let's say, for example, that I believe in evolution instead of creationism. What would you tell me? (That's just one example of many. Don't focus on it, please.)

Bee_Brian,

If I were to do what you did, I wouldn't expect to see much responsiveness from atheists, especially from within their own social environment. The reason being is that where the social context is reinforced by numbers, you'll find that atheists (or other non-believers) will feel little to no inclination to listen to what you have to say.

This social-spiritual dynamic is probably what you'll face most of the time when undertaking such a venture; but keep in mind that even when the Apostle Paul preached on Mars Hill in Athens, he only received responses from a small handful of people. So, don't feel bad.

As some of the others here have already pointed out, those atheist who hear you will have to also need to be drawn to Jesus by the Holy Spirit before they'll take a listen to what any of us Christians have to say.

Peace,
2PhiloVoid

 

[Vicomte13]

The thing with them is that they reject everything the Bible says. They consider it fictional and they flat-out deny Christ's divinity, which is as heretical as things can ever get.

I posed to them about Pascal's Wager and the cosmological argument. It didn't work.

Of course it didn't work. They think of the Bible the same thing you (and they) think of the Koran or the Iliad: it's a book of myths, and the react to you little different than you would react were someone to try to preach the Koran at you.

You do not share the common ground of the Bible, so you do not have that resource available for you at first contact.

Instead you have to start on common ground - your common humanity. Here, they will have a lot of ammunition against you, because of the barbarism of the Christian Church in past times, and the racism and bigotry taught therein until quite recent times. You're going to have to do some sincere apologizing for the past evils of your religion, because they start on the moral high ground. If you try to defend all of the horrors perpetrated by Christianity over the course of history, you lose.

So, you have to start by ceding the Bible, and by ceding that men within the Christian religion have made a horrorshow of it across history, and that the atheist is not morally wrong for being disgusted at Christianity, and that you understand why he is unwilling to just listen to you talk about what is to him an old book.

You must find the common ground in your humanity, and understand that he thinks he is your intellectual superior - because you believe in "fairy tales" and he doesn't - and he also believes himself your moral superior, because your religion has a bloody and barbaric past, and yet you don't leave it. You start out on weak ground, and you need to accept that and meekly admit to the sins of the past - because he's right: they are real. And you need to also admit that you understand why he cannot "just believe" the book you believe in, because you don't "just believe" the Koran if somebody else shakes it at you.

With the common ground and his moral and intellectual concerns addressed, you then have to explain to him why you, a decent and moral person, nevertheless chooses to stick with the Church - in spite of its bloody and evil past, and why, although the Bible could very well be another book of myths like the Koran and the Iliad, you don't think it is - you think it's true. You have to be able to explain to him why you believe it, the basis in the real world upon which you hang your faith, that causes you to believe the one is true but not the others.

If you can't do that, then take the time to work it out for yourself before you go trying to teach them.

 

[Vicomte13]

pproaching someone screaming "YOU'RE ALL GOING TO HELL!!" is ONLY going to push a nonbeliever away by making them defensive (and not listen to ANYTHING you have to say),

It's true that they won't listen to anything you say, but it isn't true that most get defensive. Rather, they get just like we all do when we hear Muslim lunatics screaming jihad: we think they are ignorant barbarians, and their rantings are proof, to us, of our intellectual and moral superiority over them.

Most people, faced with a Christian ranting at them about hell, think that they guy - and by extension Christians who do that - are ignorant morons, drunk of religion, nutjobs. We don't feel DEFENSIVE, at all, we feel SUPERIOR in every sense, and even pity the drunken fool.

That's the problem with preaching at people. Who are YOU to do it? Nobody. Nobody and nothing. People don't feel defensive. The preaching makes them very glad that they are nothing like you.

That's the real problem. It's why that style of preaching is worse than useless. It confirms people in their decision not to be lunatic fools, like those ranting religious nuts on the street.

People don't feel abashed by the Westboro Baptists in ANY way. They restrain themselves from bashing them - in the nose.

 

[faroukfarouk]

Pretend I'm an atheist. How would you convert me?



The title says it all.

I went to an atheist forum to preach about God and failed miserably. I don't know if they were closed-minded or I was just too much of an idiot to persuade someone of anything. Either way, I want to be someone who is good at debating on the side of my God.

So how would you approach such a situation? What would you tell me to convince me out of my atheism?

Let's say, for example, that I believe in evolution instead of creationism. What would you tell me? (That's just one example of many. Don't focus on it, please.)

I wouldn't.

All I would feel free to do would be maybe to give one or two Scriptures, and leave the Spirit of God to work.

Nothing else. To many people this answer would be unsatisfactory, but that's it as far as I am concerned.

 

[Toro]

It's true that they won't listen to anything you say, but it isn't true that most get defensive. Rather, they get just like we all do when we hear Muslim lunatics screaming jihad: we think they are ignorant barbarians, and their rantings are proof, to us, of our intellectual and moral superiority over them.

Most people, faced with a Christian ranting at them about hell, think that they guy - and by extension Christians who do that - are ignorant morons, drunk of religion, nutjobs. We don't feel DEFENSIVE, at all, we feel SUPERIOR in every sense, and even pity the drunken fool.

That's the problem with preaching at people. Who are YOU to do it? Nobody. Nobody and nothing. People don't feel defensive. The preaching makes them very glad that they are nothing like you.

That's the real problem. It's why that style of preaching is worse than useless. It confirms people in their decision not to be lunatic fools, like those ranting religious nuts on the street.

People don't feel abashed by the Westboro Baptists in ANY way. They restrain themselves from bashing them - in the nose.

Well, defensive doesnt mean that they feel threatened , so that is my mistake for not clarifying. I meant they aren't listening and will either argue in return or will insult the person....as you said.

I was just trying to short cut.

 

[LovebirdsFlying]

I was going to say what's been said already. WE don't covert people. Leading to repentance is the work of the Holy Spirit.

The only thing I am able or expected to do is:
1.) Believe.
2.) Be ready to give an answer when asked why I believe.
3.) Lead by example.

I cannot make anyone else follow the path of the Lord. They do or don't, according to their own will.

 

[aiki]

I went to an atheist forum to preach about God and failed miserably.

And why did you do this? What made you decide to go there and debate?

Either way, I want to be someone who is good at debating on the side of my God.

Why?

So how would you approach such a situation? What would you tell me to convince me out of my atheism?

Unless you had asked for my two cents, I would say nothing at all. When God has prepared an atheist's heart to hear the truth and has paved the way for you to speak that truth to them, so long as you are willing and ready to share, it is surprisingly easy to do so. But you'll know when God has opened the way. It is a very different experience from those times when we try to kick down the atheist's door with complex arguments and evidence.

Let's say, for example, that I believe in evolution instead of creationism. What would you tell me?

I would ask you to account for the Cambrian explosion and the incredible absence of the multi-billions of transitional fossils that should exist in the geologic column. I would want you to account for the genetic information that is integral to, and must exist prior to, the development of any of the biological elements (proteins, lipids, cellular membranes, etc.) of life. I would want you to explain why mutation which more often than not causes only a reshuffling of genetic material and/or a loss of it, can move the process of evolution forward. By the time a human being is seventy, they have some forty thousand deleterious mutations to their bodies. These mutations accumulate over generations which means that at the rate this mutation is occurring the human race will not last another 50,000 years. How does the ToE square with these facts?

Check out this link:

Access Research Network

Before you take to duking it out with more atheists, though, make really sure your motives for doing so are God's motives, not your own. The quickest way to do this is to ask yourself: Am I doing this because I love the lost people God loves? If not, keep your arguments and evidence to yourself.

Selah.

 

[frienden thalord]

And why did you do this? What made you decide to go there and debate?



Why?



Unless you had asked for my two cents, I would say nothing at all. When God has prepared an atheist's heart to hear the truth and has paved the way for you to speak that truth to them, so long as you are willing and ready to share, it is surprisingly easy to do so. But you'll know when God has opened the way. It is a very different experience from those times when we try to kick down the atheist's door with complex arguments and evidence.



I would ask you to account for the Cambrian explosion and the incredible absence of the multi-billions of transitional fossils that should exist in the geologic column. I would want you to account for the genetic information that is integral to, and must exist prior to, the development of any of the biological elements (proteins, lipids, cellular membranes, etc.) of life. I would want you to explain why mutation which more often than not causes only a reshuffling of genetic material and/or a loss of it, can move the process of evolution forward. By the time a human being is seventy, they have some forty thousand deleterious mutations to their bodies. These mutations accumulate over generations which means that at the rate this mutation is occurring the human race will not last another 50,000 years. How does the ToE square with these facts?

Check out this link:

Access Research Network

Before you take to duking it out with more atheists, though, make really sure your motives for doing so are God's motives, not your own. The quickest way to do this is to ask yourself: Am I doing this because I love the lost people God loves? If not, keep your arguments and evidence to yourself.

Selah.

If that is a dog I am calling aspca , did you tell it Obama is coming back .