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I think 100% guarantee on anything is a stretch, I only point to what appear to be similarities between events described in the beast and the Kaaba stone worshiped by muslims.
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I think 100% guarantee on anything is a stretch, I only point to what appear to be similarities between events described in the beast and the Kaaba stone worshiped by muslims.
You mean the one mentioned by the GOD of Abraham pbuh:
Isaiah 28
28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. (Foreign tongue)
28:16 Therefore thus saith the Lord God: “Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation; he that believeth shall not make haste.
28:17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.
(`Abd Al-Muttalib Ibn Hashim, the grandfather of the Prophet rediscovered Zamzam after its landmarks were hidden.The area of dwellings at Makkah had been increasing especially after Abraham and his son Isma`il (peace and blessings be upon them) built the Sacred House. The tribe of Jurhum continued to take charge of the Sacred House and the Well of Zamzam for a period of time until a Yemenite tribe so called Khuza`ah emigrated to this place after the collapse of the Ma'rib dam. Khuza`ah went into battle with Jurhum and at the end Khuza`ah were victorious and took charge of the Sacred House.)
The Well was eventually hidden and filled in until being rediscovered before Muhammad pbuh started his Mission.
btw I don't know of a single Hadith or Quranic verse showing any stone to be worshipped. Idolatry is forbidden in Islam, which is why we take exception to the Trinity concept found in Christianity.
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This does not change the fact that the Quran and the Islamic Hadith show that Mohammad meet the requirements ofa false prophet and such that Allah killed him in the very manner Allah revealed. surah 62:46 and confirmed in your most authentic hadiths.
Mohammad is not represented in any Biblical passage other than those referring to the anti Christ which is consistent with the Quran and Mohammad's death at the hands of a just God Yahweh.
having though about your referance to John 14 in an earlier post. I am some what confused. in that for Muslims to accept john 14 as authentic passage of the so called lost Ingel one must also then consider the diety and relationship of Jesuse used in the chapter. Thus once again Muslim find themselves on shaky ground as it is against the teachings of the Quran i.e. Jesus is the Son of God. Therefore accepting Mohammad is referenced to in John 14 is accepting the deity of Christ that is committing shirk the unforgivable sin.
Your choice - the hole seems to be getting deeper Muslim UK - call on the name of Jesus and be Saved.
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Muslims are able to refer to the Taurat and Injeel as well as the Qur'an. The originals of the Taurat and Injeel though lost and corrupted can still show up in verses here and there in what is today called the Old and New Testament.
Christian Scholars say the Gospel of John was compiled in 3 separate layers with unknown writers. As shown the passages referenced in John 14 are talking about being Torah observant not Greek Mythology.
Christian Scholars say the Gospel of John was compiled in 3 separate layers with unknown writers. As shown the passages referenced in John 14 are talking about being Torah observant not Greek Mythology.
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Beware of our Muslim friends who deceive and lie for there faith,
Using google translator we get the following :-
Younis said from syphilis, Erwa said Aisha, may God bless her said the Prophet, peace be upon him says in his illness, he died, "O Aisha, I still feel the pain that the food I ate Khyber, this time found the aortic interruption of that poison."
Again using google we define aortic as as :-
aortic
eɪˈɔːtɪk/
adjective
Please not how important Muslim UK has made his statement with the bold text font size and color........ Beware another tactic used to scare of and deceive.
Using google translator we get the following :-
Younis said from syphilis, Erwa said Aisha, may God bless her said the Prophet, peace be upon him says in his illness, he died, "O Aisha, I still feel the pain that the food I ate Khyber, this time found the aortic interruption of that poison."
Again using google we define aortic as as :-
aortic
eɪˈɔːtɪk/
adjective
- relating to the aorta, the main artery of the body.
"the aortic valve"
Please not how important Muslim UK has made his statement with the bold text font size and color........ Beware another tactic used to scare of and deceive.
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With regard to the above I would like to prove how wrong you are. However I doubt you will answer my questions as you may be aware that it will prove your case to be baseless and false. But is fairness I offer you the opportunity to defend you faith and above statement:-
Q1. Do you agree the following surah is authentic and speaks of Isa / Jesus as a prophet of Islam?
Surah 19:23-33, 42:13
He has ordained for you of religion what He enjoined upon Noah and that which We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what We enjoined upon Abraham and Moses and Jesus - to establish the religion and not be divided therein. Difficult for those who associate others with Allah is that to which you invite them. Allah chooses for Himself whom He wills and guides to Himself whoever turns back [to Him].
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Sorry but the only ones following in the footsteps of Pharisee Saul, the Ravenous Benjamite Wolf are from your religion:
Google Translator :/
What happens when you paste 69:46 into Google translator?
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Please grow up and add value.
As I have already stated you can not understand the biblical truth because of you hard heart - see 2 Thess 2:10 in fact the whole chapter may give you some understand regarding your blindness to the truth found in Jesus as your saviour.
Your link does not support your open and exposed lies regarding Mohammad's death. All it does is prove you fall into this category of deception.
Besides I have presented a challenge to you and it seems like you are taking the stance of Nibilo, he only got to question three before he claimed Islam did not exist till 600ad thus destroying the Quran and is foundation of all its 124,000 prophets. Sad you quick with the deceptive quotations and links but when the one on one challenge is presented you run like a dog with his tail between his legs. But again I understand, you,like most Muslims can not face the facts or truth and is very sad.
Re google translator, read post 25 and you will see the results or use it yourself. You are a adult so there is no need to spoon feed you, work it out yourself. I understand this is hard based on the Islamic indoctrination and pressure from your peers and leaders and thus pray for boldness on your side.
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Grow up?! It was you throwing the words al-taqiya around remember, and then I prove Christian Missionaries are trained to lie and deceive like Paul and you tell me to grow up.
Are you quoting the writings of someone who never met Jesus pbuh?
Why don't you ask Google to explain how poison affects the body? Does one feel he is suffocating, or does it feel like his aorta is being severed.
Rather than worry about scoring cheap and worthless points, why don't you focus on worshipping a God that makes sense. Go back to the GOD of Abraham pbuh and worship ONE GOD, not some 4th Century Greek myth of a Triune God that is contradictory and impossible to fathom.
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Oh I see you get offended when the truth of your faith is exposed. Now it is my fault you angry. Wow that does not say much for your character.
You have proved nothing. All you have show an Islamic propaganda clip out of context and against biblical teaching. you must be proud of your self spreading more lies and deceit to back up your false prophet. This is the best you have to defend Mohammad's death, proving he is a false prophet by your Islamic standards.
It is the Quran by revelation from Allah that surah 69 came into begin.
Secondaly it is your Allah who willed Mohammad's death by poison which severed his aorta, not google.
Thirdly it is the Islamic Hadith of the highest reputation, in fact three of them that confirm Allah severing his finals prophets aorta for been a false prophet.
Now all three of these are Islamic documents, sources and beliefs which are all held in the highest regard of most Muslims.
So why would I have the need to use google.
I remind you in response to your above challenge I used google. sorry this has upset you but you the one who chose to lie and decieve. I am only God's messenger correcting you. Its only satan and his agents that plays the blame game when the caught in sin, Genesis 3 is a good example of this, you may learn something.
Firstly your comments on this site have show me you are the last person one should take advise from, but that anyway.
Secondly if one were to look at your above suggestion were should balance the scale you Muslims so eagerly use. If we do this we would both have to abandon or faiths, your in Mohammad and mine is Jesus for the O/T.
Thus the question is are you prepared to do this? In other words renounce your belief that Allah is the one god and Mohammaded is is prophet, for Yahweh and the ten commandments and burnt offerings.
No I did not think so ---- So please your logic is backward and futile and in the face of further embarrassment keep the scales balanced as it just comes back to you.
I have explained before and again for the third time, your have turned your back on the teachings of Jesus christ and his Gospel of faith hope and love. Thus you are blinded to the truth and strongly suggest to read 2 Thess 2:10 for more understanding of this. You do not come across as a person who is mentally challenged and am shocked I find myself explaining this to you again.
If on the other hand you do genuinely wish to have proper understanding of biblical text I can arrange to have a team of christian come visit and after a short process we will have you baptised and worshipping in the spirit in no time. In fact I would love to arrange this for you, please let me know.
However I must add I find is amusing you consider my challenge as worthless, but I did not expect you to accept it. Thus leaves me with the knowledge you know that Islam is a false religion from the powers of darkness.
Here I though you were a serious Islamic supporter, how wrong can we be.
Oh I see you get offended when the truth of your faith is exposed. Now it is my fault you angry. Wow that does not say much for your character.
I prove Christian Missionaries are trained to lie and deceive like Paul and you tell me to grow up.
You have proved nothing. All you have show an Islamic propaganda clip out of context and against biblical teaching. you must be proud of your self spreading more lies and deceit to back up your false prophet. This is the best you have to defend Mohammad's death, proving he is a false prophet by your Islamic standards.
Well that fact are as follows:-
It is the Quran by revelation from Allah that surah 69 came into begin.
Secondaly it is your Allah who willed Mohammad's death by poison which severed his aorta, not google.
Thirdly it is the Islamic Hadith of the highest reputation, in fact three of them that confirm Allah severing his finals prophets aorta for been a false prophet.
Now all three of these are Islamic documents, sources and beliefs which are all held in the highest regard of most Muslims.
So why would I have the need to use google.
I remind you in response to your above challenge I used google. sorry this has upset you but you the one who chose to lie and decieve. I am only God's messenger correcting you. Its only satan and his agents that plays the blame game when the caught in sin, Genesis 3 is a good example of this, you may learn something.
Firstly your comments on this site have show me you are the last person one should take advise from, but that anyway.
Secondly if one were to look at your above suggestion were should balance the scale you Muslims so eagerly use. If we do this we would both have to abandon or faiths, your in Mohammad and mine is Jesus for the O/T.
Thus the question is are you prepared to do this? In other words renounce your belief that Allah is the one god and Mohammaded is is prophet, for Yahweh and the ten commandments and burnt offerings.
No I did not think so ---- So please your logic is backward and futile and in the face of further embarrassment keep the scales balanced as it just comes back to you.
I have explained before and again for the third time, your have turned your back on the teachings of Jesus christ and his Gospel of faith hope and love. Thus you are blinded to the truth and strongly suggest to read 2 Thess 2:10 for more understanding of this. You do not come across as a person who is mentally challenged and am shocked I find myself explaining this to you again.
If on the other hand you do genuinely wish to have proper understanding of biblical text I can arrange to have a team of christian come visit and after a short process we will have you baptised and worshipping in the spirit in no time. In fact I would love to arrange this for you, please let me know.
However I must add I find is amusing you consider my challenge as worthless, but I did not expect you to accept it. Thus leaves me with the knowledge you know that Islam is a false religion from the powers of darkness.
Here I though you were a serious Islamic supporter, how wrong can we be.
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I was offended in the least, rather I knew the evidence on the ground is very different to what you assert.
Out of context huh, training to preach the Gospel under false pretences, travelling to other Countries, adopting their customs and practices, even to the point you pretend to join in with their practices of worship, whilst attempting to sew the seeds of doubt is hardly propaganda. This was coming directly from the mouth of Christian Missionary, Joseph Smith :/
Yes the Prophet pbuh was poisoned, and rather than die as his companion did, he lived on for years, much to the surprise of his hosts. Some accepted he was indeed a Prophet and reverted to Islam, others continued to oppose him.
GOD tells us had Muhammad pbuh lied or spoken of his own accord, he would have had him seized and killed on the spot. This did not happen, the Prophet pbuh completed his mission over the following few years, then the effects of the poison took their toll.
Food laced with poison will most commonly block the Blood Gaseous Exchange. All Poisonous Gases stop this function and leads to oxygen depletion and eventual suffocation.
Qur'an 5:3 "....This day, those who disbelieved have given up all hope of your religion, so fear them not, but fear Me. This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion"....... "..then surely, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
I was offended in the least, rather I knew the evidence on the ground is very different to what you assert.
Out of context huh, training to preach the Gospel under false pretences, travelling to other Countries, adopting their customs and practices, even to the point you pretend to join in with their practices of worship, whilst attempting to sew the seeds of doubt is hardly propaganda. This was coming directly from the mouth of Christian Missionary, Joseph Smith :/
Yes the Prophet pbuh was poisoned, and rather than die as his companion did, he lived on for years, much to the surprise of his hosts. Some accepted he was indeed a Prophet and reverted to Islam, others continued to oppose him.
GOD tells us had Muhammad pbuh lied or spoken of his own accord, he would have had him seized and killed on the spot. This did not happen, the Prophet pbuh completed his mission over the following few years, then the effects of the poison took their toll.
Food laced with poison will most commonly block the Blood Gaseous Exchange. All the Poisonous Gases stop this and doesn’t let the person get the required oxygen and suffocate them.
Qur'an 5:3 "....This day, those who disbelieved have given up all hope of your religion, so fear them not, but fear Me. This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion"....... "..then surely, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
2 Thess written by the enemy of Jesus' family. I would rather listen to what his family had to say, than someone who threw the Torah behind his back.
Having read your exchange with Brother Nimblo, there is clearly zero benefit in entertaining your childish theories.
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“His mouth is most sweet; yea, he is Muhammad, the Great. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
The absolute truth about Muhammad in the bible
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Yes his name is there in black and white along with his description. Elsewhere the House of Pilgrimage is mentioned, the well of Zamzam, and the location of the expected Prophet pbuh. All in fulfilment of the Great Nation promised to the descendants of Ishmael pbuh by the GOD of Abraham pbuh.
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I don't have any sources, I am not an expert in Islam, but I thought that Muhammad was both red headed and also a dwarf, with a hump on his back, and that this hump was his seal of prophethood! Muhammad was able to wear aishia's clothes, proving his tiny stature, some critics of Islam have claimed this was cross - dressing, but more likely it just proves his tiny stature.
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seized and killed on the spot.
Another one of your lies - you see this is not what the Quran, Hadiths or the Islamic Tafsirs say.
aYAH44
Asad : Now if he [whom We have entrusted with it] had dared to attribute some [of his own] sayings unto Us,
Malik : Had he (Muhammad) invented false statement concerning Us,
Pickthall : And if he had invented false sayings concerning Us,
Yusuf Ali : And if the apostle were to invent any sayings in Our name
Transliteration : Walaw taqawwala AAalayna baAAda alaqaweeli
وَلَوْ تَقَوَّلَ عَلَيْنَا بَعْضَ الْأَقَاوِيلِ
Ayah 45
Asad : We would indeed have seized him by his right hand, 22
Malik : We would certainly have seize him by his right hand
Pickthall : We assuredly had taken him by the right hand
Yusuf Ali : We should certainly seize him by his right hand 5669
Transliteration : Laakhathna minhu bialyameeni
لَأَخَذْنَا مِنْهُ بِالْيَمِينِ
Lets look at the notes of Asad & Yusuf Ali:-
I.e., deprived him of all ability to act - the "right hand" symbolizing power.
The right hand is the hand of power and action. Any one who is seized by his right hand is prevented from acting as he wishes or carrying out his purpose. The argument is that if an impostor were to arise, he would soon be found out. He could not carry out his fraud indefinitely. But the prophets of Allah, however much they are persecuted, gain more and more power every day, as did the holy Prophet, whose truth, earnestness, sincerity, and love for all, were recognised as his life unfolded itself.
Ayah 46
Asad : and would indeed have cut his life-vein,
Malik : then cut off his main artery,
Pickthall : And then severed his life artery,
Yusuf Ali : And We should certainly then cut off the artery of his heart: (5670)
Transliteration : Thumma laqataAAna minhu alwateena
ثُمَّ لَقَطَعْنَا مِنْهُ الْوَتِينَ
Lets look at the notes of Yusuf Ali :-
This would effectually stop the functioning of his life.
Therefore once again please explain to me were you come up with the interpritation of "Killed him on the Spot"
The arabic refereance were obtaine from an Islamic site Surah 69. Al-Haqqa, Ayah 46 | Alim.org
Killed him on the Spot is translated as follows and is not in any of the above text you have quoted.
قتلوه على الفور
qataluh ealaa alfawr
If we were to follow this logic, i.e. Mohammad live a long time after he ate the poison and only much later was his aorta was severed and thus some how frees Mohammad from his appalling crime makes no sense. This is like say well adam live to be 900 years old so he could not have eaten the apple. How more ridiculousness can one get?
This does not prove that Mohammed did not die by having his aorta severed. Thus making him a false prophet according to the Quran - see surah 69:44-46.
Yea great surah, however it was not the words of the One True God, but that of a man called Mohammed who has captivated the hearts and minds of billions of souls destined for hell.
So are you then saying Al-Bukhari, Abu-Dawood and other scholars wrote false hadiths.
Secondly how do you know what posison was used. You do not. Yet the writers of the Hadith who were close to Mohammad did and thus reported accordingly.
You see Muslim UK once again you have dug your own grave, accept the teaching of the Hadith proves Mohammad to be a false prophet.
If you deny the teaching of the Hadith you deny you faith as having no foundation and a false religion.
Again I challenge you to answer my 8 questions in order to assist you in finding the true path to paradise. I know it is a big step for a Muslim to take but at least it is one in the right direction.
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“His mouth is most sweet; yea, he is Muhammad, the Great. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
The absolute truth about Muhammad in the bible
Yes Mohammad in the bible as the anti-Christ nothing more. as per Surah 69.
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Interesting. Thus you are in agreement with both Limo and Niblo that Islam did not exist untill 600 yeara after Christ and therefore has no foundation in the Bible in any manner.
So then if we take all you prophets away, all the borrowed stories all we are left with is the satanic verses and a modified pagan belief.
Final we are in agreement. However we are aware this is not in agreement with majority Islamic view. Wow .............
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You defy simple logic. According to you GOD promised to seize Muhammad and severe his Aorta IF he made things up.
What happens when you seize someone and server their Aorta >> They die within mins, if not on the spot.
But no, GOD allowed the Prophet pbuh to survive several attempts on his life, protected him from the effects of poison for years, allowed him to Complete his blessed mission, offered him a long life on Earth to see Islam establish itself or return to his Lord.
Narrated `Aisha:
When the Prophet (ﷺ) was healthy, he used to say, "No soul of a prophet is captured till he is shown his place in Paradise and then he is given the option." When death approached him while his head was on my thigh, he became unconscious and then recovered his consciousness. He then looked at the ceiling of the house and said, "O Allah! (with) the highest companions." I said (to myself), "Hence, he is not going to choose us." Then I realized that what he had said was the application of the narration which he used to mention to us when he was healthy. The last word he spoke was, "O Allah! (with) the highest companion." Hadith - Book of Military Expeditions led by the Prophet (pbuh) (Al-Maghaazi) - Sahih al-Bukhari - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)
My Aorta is cut is nothing more than a expression. He died from suffocation, which is what Science tells us happens when Poison affects the body.
Watina is is used in 2 other Hadiths: الكتب - مصنف_ابن_أبي_شيبة - كِتَابُ الْمَغَازِي - ما جاء في وفاة النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم and الكتب - - Does reading them show the companions died from their aortas being severed?
Verily, We shall put you to test with some fear, and hunger, and with some loss of wealth, lives, and offspring. And (O Muhammad) convey good tidings to those who are patient, who say, when inflicted by hardship, "Verily we are of God and verily to Him shall we return;" upon them is the blessings of Allah and His mercy. (2:155)
"The people who are most sorely tried are the Prophets, then those who are closest to them, then those who are next closest." (Ahmad, 26539; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in al-Silsilat al-Saheehah, 1165).
Why is this so? The Prophet (peace be upon him) explains:
"A man will be tested according to the level of his religious commitment, and the trials will keep affecting a slave of Allaah until he is left walking on the face of the earth with no burden of sin whatsoever." (Narrated by Ibn Maajah, 4013; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Sunan Ibn Maajah, 3249, cited A righteous woman is suffering trials and is asking why - islamqa.info
As for your offer on the 8 questions, going from pure Monotheism to a religion that involves a contradictory concept of God would involve eternal punishment, so thanks but no thanks. Also the conduct of many Christians, confirms opening yourself to a 'spirit' invites Jinn into a wide open playground.
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