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Featured Islam Quran Comirms Muhammad as a False Prohet

Discussion in 'Debate Other Religions & Faiths' started by DWA2DAY, Mar 6, 2017.

  1. DWA2DAY

    DWA2DAY convictions are worse Enemies of Truth than Lies!

    Christians know Muhammad fails on all these levels But first let’s look at what constitutes a false prophet from an Islamic perspective.

    Surah 69:44-46
    And if Muhammad had made up about Us some [false] sayings, We would have seized him by the right hand; Then We would have cut (sever) from him the aorta.

    We confirm this meaning from one of the greatest Muslim commentaries Tafsir Jalalayn: then We would have assuredly severed his life-artery the aorta of the heart a vein that connects with it and which if severed results in that person’s death

    From this it is clear that if Muhammad was a false prophet it would be certain then that Allah would kill him by cutting or severing his aorta. Let then explore both the death of Jesus and Muhammad.

    Jesus predicted his death to his disciples Mathew 16:21-28, 17:22-23, Mark 8:31-9:1, 9:30-32, Luke 9:21-27, 9:44-45.

    Muhammad makes no prediction of his death. So how did he die? We find this in a number of Hadiths.

    Sahih al-Bukhari 2617, Sahih Muslim 5430 both these Hadiths tell us Muhammad was poisoned by a Jewish woman.
    The reason Zaynab Bint al-Harith gives comes from inb Sa’d page 252 she say Muhammad had killed her husband and uncle and therefore poisoned her and if Muhammad was a prophet the poison would not have harm him. From a Christian perspective we understand you reap what you sow as taught by Jesus in Mathew 26:52.

    So what was the result of this poisoning? Take note all four of these Hadiths are considered authentic and come from the solid Islamic sources.

    Sahih al-Bukhari 4428, Suna Abu Dawud 4498 & 4449, At Tabari page 124 conforms the following:-

    Muhammad said “I feel my aorta is been cut from the poison”, “This is the time when it has cut of my aorta”, “at this very moment I fell my aorta been severed”,

    Off all the ways one could die, Allah killed Mohammad for been a false prophet.

    Let us back this up, as we read in ibn Sa’d page 252-253 that Bishr ibn al-Bara could taste the poison when he ate while but Muhammad claimed it was revelation. Interesting that again Muhammad’s revelations are after the fact and not before that would save Muhammad’s and other people’s lives. This is seen in his revelation about the number of wives he could have, sleeping with Ashia and marring his adopted sons divorced wife.

    Sahih al-Bukhari 2797 tells us Muhammad’s greatest wish was to die in battel, yet after 23 years of Allah granting Muhammad’s wishes he stops, and lets him die at the hands of a Jewish women whose husband and father Muhammad killed.

    Not only is the death of Muhammad painful himself describes it as having his aorta severed, fulfilling the requirement of a false prophet of Allah.

    Thus we concluded that Muhammad by Islamic and Quranic standards is a false prophet and as such is mentioned in the Bible

    Confirming that Muhammad is referred to in the Bible.

    Allah confirm the inspiration of the prophets before Muhammad.

    Surah 4:163-164

    Indeed, We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], as We revealed to Noah and the prophets after him. And we revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, the Descendants, Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the book [of Psalms].And [We sent] messengers about whom We have related [their stories] to you before and messengers about whom We have not related to you. And Allah spoke to Moses with [direct] speech.

    Quran confirm that if anyone is in doubt to check with the Jews and Christians.

    Surah 10:94

    So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubter

    Then the Quran tells us that Muhammad is in the Bible but gives no reference. Therefore we need to critically analysis this on the standards that come before which the Quran says if we are in doubt to use as the basis for confirmation. The Quran clearly states :-

    Surah 9:30 – Allah curse those who assigns partners.

    The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?

    Surah 5:18 – Allah the Father to no one.

    But the Jews and the Christians say, "We are the children of Allah and His beloved." Say, "Then why does He punish you for your sins?" Rather, you are human beings from among those He has created. He forgives whom He wills, and He punishes whom He wills. And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them, and to Him is the [final] destination.

    Surah 19:88-93 – closest you get to Allah is the master slave relationship.

    And they say, "The Most Merciful has taken [for Himself] a son." You have done an atrocious thing. The heavens almost rupture therefrom and the earth splits open and the mountains collapse in devastation. That they attribute to the Most Merciful a son. And it is not appropriate for the Most Merciful that He should take a son. There is no one in the heavens and earth but that he comes to the Most Merciful as a servant.

    1 John 2:23

    Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

    2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

    Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

    Revelation 13:3-5,

    3 One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast. 4 People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can wage war against it?”

    5 The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months.

    1 John 2:18

    Children, it is the last hour; and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have appeared. This is how we know it is the last hour.

    Therefore the Quran does not confirm the scripture that was before it but contradicts it. Thus Muhammad is the anti-Christ and is proven by both biblical and Quran standards as a false prophet and one against Allah. Therefore cannot be referred to in the bible other than in 1 John2:23 and similar passages. (2 Thessalonians 2:3-4, Revelation 13:3-5, 1 John 2:18)

    We can develop this more looking at the biblical requirements for a prophet. Firstly he must confirm what comes before, as we have seen Muhammad does not do this. Secondly he must make divine prophecies that come true, none were made by Muhammad. Thirdly he should be able to perform miracles as proof of his status and lastly come with a new divine revelation for his people.

    Muhammad does not meet any one of these requirements.

    According to the Qur'an, Christians must judge by the Gospel (Qur'an 5:47). But the Gospel says that Jesus owns everything (Matthew 11:27; John 16:15). Since Jesus owns everything, he also owns Muhammad. If Muslims don't want us to conclude that Jesus owns Muhammad, they have to tell us not to judge by the Gospel. But doing this contradicts the Quran. Thus the Islamic bases of faith.
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  2. Strathos

    Strathos No one important

  3. outlawState

    outlawState Member

    Mahomet is by no means the only antichrist. In fact there is no such thing as "the antichrist" as antichrist is a spirit. There is however a power that sets itself up in the temple of God to usurp God.

    "the man of lawlessness a, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God." 2 Thes 2;3

    I think that the man of lawlessness is the Papacy. Why? First because Christians don't recognize Mahomet as a prophet, but just another false teacher, and because Islam is fragmented between the nations, a cult, that has no central figure, originating as a pseudo-Jewish rebellion against the hyper-Trinitarianism of the Byzantine empire that established the papacy as that great power usurping Christ himself. Islam quickly degenerated into tribalism (i.e. different factions) after Mahomet's death, such there was shown to be no one true religion of Islam. Muslims have always fought against each other as much as they have fought anyone else.

    The great muslim general / ruler Saladin probably killed many more muslims than Christians.
    Last edited: Mar 6, 2017
  4. Truth light

    Truth light Newbie

  5. Siahstaton36

    Siahstaton36 New Member

    I made a video dedicated to prophecy and false prophethood pertaining to the religion of islam.

    Like the antichrist spirit resides in many i feel that the religion of islam and its prophet muhammid and even book, fulfill many warnings the bible left us.

    This idea that the antichrist is one single person is false, and the gospel explains that there are many antichrists in the world. I'm going to post a link to the video but please read the rest before watching.
    One reason i feel there are several antichrists is the 666 given to us in revelations.
    If the Greek spelling of Nero Caesar (Neron Kaisar) is transliterated into Hebrew (nrwn qsr), the numerical equivalent is 666—although it should be remembered that this number was not represented as a figure but as letters of the alphabet or written in full. In other words, the "number of the beast" was not expressed as "666" (indeed, discrete Arabic numerals would not be invented for another five hundred years) but by the phrase hexakosioi hexekonta hex or the numerical values of the Greek letters themselves, chi (600), xi (60), and stigma (6).

    But what is curious is not so much that 666 can be decoded to signify Nero but that the name is encoded in this particular number, especially since it could have been represented as readily in other ways. It only is when the words are transliterated from Greek into Hebrew and then calculated that the numeration adds up to 666 (nrwn qsr, 50 + 200 + 6 + 50 + 100 + 60 + 200)

    Nero would fit the warnings given in the time period of John.
    We are well past that time period and yet i feel like many look a the warnings and still are waiting on one single antichrist. This said I also wondered "with so many people looking for the antichrist, how is it he fools anyone?" and this is where i believe the antichrist has snuck in as a religion.

    I put together a short video discussing prophecy and false prophets. The link is below.

  6. DWA2DAY

    DWA2DAY convictions are worse Enemies of Truth than Lies!

    Yes you are correct, he is referred to as the anti Christ as explained in post # 1. 1 John 2:18 which is in agreement with the Quran and Islamic Scholars.
  7. outlawState

    outlawState Member

    I agree that "the antichrist" is not a single person. 666 also has an expanded interpretation, as a concealed reference to the Eqyptian and chaldean astrological systems, i.e. 12 signs of the zodic, 36 decals, if each is numbered it equates to 666. From wiki "astrology takes its place as one of the two chief means at the disposal of the priests (who were called bare or "inspectors") for ascertaining the will and intention of the gods."

    In other words 666 may be a veiled reference to Babylonian religion which is the presumption of man, which lies at the root of every antichrist system, whether it be Islam, or any number of pseudo-Christian heresies.
  8. DWA2DAY

    DWA2DAY convictions are worse Enemies of Truth than Lies!

    hi truth Light. I find it interesting you have no comment with regard to the main point of the thread, specifically Surah 69:44-45 with the supporting Tafsir and the Hadiths which confirm Mohammad die as fulfilment of 69:46 thus confirming him to be a false prophet on Islamic standards.

    Thus before one address any biblical view of Mohammad Muslims need to adress Mohammad as a false prophet as confirmed by your Hadiths.
  9. Muslim-UK

    Muslim-UK Well-Known Member

    Muhammad pbuh died after completing his Mission. The Message of Islam was delivered 100% before the effects of poison from years previous finally took its toll.
  10. DWA2DAY

    DWA2DAY convictions are worse Enemies of Truth than Lies!

    Yet the fact is Allah is his wisdom of all the way to die willed Mohammad death by severing his aorta. The death prescribed in the Quran as the chosen death for a False Prophet.
    Surah 69:44-46
    And if Muhammad had made up about Us some [false] sayings, We would have seized him by the right hand; Then We would have cut (sever) from him the aorta.

    Islam and Muslims have two options here.

    1) Claim that the revelation was delivered a 100% before Mohammad death, there by you are accepting that Surah 69 is true and therefore the revelation of the Quran is thus False as it was delivered by a false prophet. This is further supported by the Satanic verses.
    2) Claim that Surah 69 is not a true revelation from Allah, which then confirms that the Quran and Hatdith are in error and have contradiction and thus is False on Quranic standards, see surah 4:82.

    Jesus said in John 14 "Iam the way, the truth and the life, no one come to the Father except through me." I light of the above you may want to consider this.

  11. robert skynner

    robert skynner I respect the Bible but religion is damaging

    This brilliant post is so helpful, thank you.
  12. Muslim-UK

    Muslim-UK Well-Known Member

    It's not even what the Arabic says :/

    The Qur'an uses the word الوتين = Aorta (Al Watina)
    The Hadith uses the word أَبْهَرِي = Breathlessness, shortness of breath, suffocation (Ab'hari)

    For those who don't know Aorta carries blood, whilst breathlessness is connected with the airways.

    The Prophet reported it felt like the effects of the poisoning from years earlier was finally taking its toll.

    He didn't die because GOD seized him by his right hand and severed his Aorta.

    Quran 53:3-4

    "He (Muhammad) does not speak of his own desire. It is no less than an Inspiration sent down to him."

    Allah has made it clear that he (pbuh) does not speak of his own in religion.
    There are other verses making his (pbuh) position clear

    Whatsoever the Messenger (Muhammad pbuh) gives you, take it, and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain (from it), and fear Allah.

    And We have sent you not but as a mercy for all the worlds.

    Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad pbuh) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day ...

    John 14
    Jesus pbuh himself said,
    1) He is the way.
    2) He is the truth.
    3) He is the life.
    4) No one comes to the Father except through him.

    The 'Way', the 'Truth' and the 'Life' are all metaphors for Torah or being Torah observant:

    I am the way. To his Disciples; the Old Testament Jew, the way was the Torah. The only way to God was through the law. Psalms 119:1 says, “Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the LAW of the LORD.” Psalms 32:8 says, “I will instruct you and show you the way to go; with My eye on you, I will give counsel.” Jesus' followers were also very familiar with Exodus 18:20”And you shall teach them the statutes and the laws, and show them the way in which they must walk and the work they must do.” For the Jews, that way was the law and the prophets. In Jewish tradition, the way to find the path to God was to study the Torah.

    I am the truth. To the Torah Jew, the truth was the Torah. Psalms 119:142 says, “Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and your law is truth.” Verse 151 says “You are near, Lord, and all Your commands are truth.” The Jews understood, that truth was the law and the prophets. Absolute truth could only be found in God and revealed in the Law and the Prophets. God was seen as the God of Truth, and the Torah was said to be His thoughts and the revelation of His purpose in the creation of the universe, thereby revealing absolute truth. All “truth” was to be compared against the Truth revealed in the Law and the prophets. The disciples had been taught from childhood that if something did not line up with the truth of scripture, then it was not true.

    I am the life. To the Torah Jew, the life was the Torah. In Deuteronomy 30:11-20, Moses gives the Israelites a choice to make. They could choose life and prosperity, or they could choose death and adversity. If they chose life, they would have to walk in God's ways, and keep his Law, because God is their life. If they chose death, they were free to ignore God's ways and laws. Moses gave them this advice, choose life. For the Israelite, to follow the law was to choose life. The Torah was life. The disciples had been taught this from childhood.

    No one comes to the Father except through Me. To the Old Testament Jew, the only way to God was through the Law. The Law made it possible for the Israelites to approach God. The sacrifices and rituals allowed them to present themselves before God and to be accepted by him. Those who tried to approach God without following the Law usually ended up dead, (Nadab and Abihu in Leviticus 10). All Israelites knew that the only way to God was through the Law.

    Four radical, clear cut statements from the lips of Jesus pbuh. Remember he was very clear about the Torah:

    Sermon on the Mount; Matthew 5:
    17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

    I'm guessing you have as little to do with God as possible, sorry I meant, as little to do with 'Torah' as possible. :idea:
  13. DWA2DAY

    DWA2DAY convictions are worse Enemies of Truth than Lies!

    You welcome, anytime.
  14. DWA2DAY

    DWA2DAY convictions are worse Enemies of Truth than Lies!

    For those of you out there who are interested in the truth, I invite you to have a look at the Islamic resources for a clear picture. Al-Tirmidhi | Hadith | Qur'an & Hadith | Alim.org

    This is the typical Islamic response when has his back against the wall. Thus I feel in incumbent on me to refer the Quran which allows for several forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, the best known being taqiyya. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause of Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.

    As in this case - take note the response, we do not understand Arabic, dispute the wealth of tools available to quickly and decisively do the home work.

    Using the above resource you will find out for yourself that Muslim UK is outright lying to defend his faith. In both the Hadith and the Quran the same Arabic word is used and correctly interpreted as Aorta and not Breath. In doing this Muslim UK simply exposes the deceptive means which Muslims are taught to bring unsuspecting people to Hell.

    Then comes the second deception :-
    Well if this is the case, then Surah 69 is a fabrication and thus then by Islamic standards the Quran is a forgery. (32:3)
    Therefore is a false revelation from Allah who is by no means the Yahweh of the Bible.

    Then next Statement simply confirm the above.
    Thus confirming the quran the truth of Mohammad's death by having his aorta cut by Allah for begin a false prophet.
    Here comes the side stepping which is void of Allah. Not it is not what Allah give it is what Mohammad gives. Mohammad is free to make revelation at his will and for bib things at his will.

    This can be further developed by looking at the revelations that were given that gives only Mohammad special rights, like having more wives than the allowed 4 and so on.

    Now the final deception comes were our friend Muslim UK moves the topic to biblical references that are out side of the questioned posed. One thing I admire about all the Muslims I talk with is there scholarly understanding of the Bible yet miss the message of the context of the Bible it self.

    Looking through a lenses shaded by the dankness Islam teaches one miss that fact that Jesus came to give a new covenant that comes with the baptism of the Holy spirit. Thus there is no point in reason with someone about text the choses to manipulate and reinterpret to suit there own personal needs and desires, which are to to the Glory of the Father, Son and holy Spirit. II Thess2:10 is the reference I am speaking about.

    Therefore Muslim UK the balance of your post is mute & deserve no reply until you offer evidence showing the revelation of Mohammed is from a false prophet.
  15. Muslim-UK

    Muslim-UK Well-Known Member

    Maybe go back and fix your link, as it provides no evidence whatsoever. Or copy and paste the Hadith in Arabic along with the Quranic verse for all to see who is telling lies here.

    Qur'an 69:46 Surah Al-Haqqah [69:46] says:
    ثُمَّ لَقَطَعۡنَا مِنۡهُ ٱلۡوَتِينَ (٤٦) = Aorta (Al Watina)

    The Hadith found here Hadith - Book of Military Expeditions led by the Prophet (pbuh) (Al-Maghaazi) - Sahih al-Bukhari - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

    وَقَالَ يُونُسُ عَنِ الزُّهْرِيِّ، قَالَ عُرْوَةُ قَالَتْ عَائِشَةُ ـ رضى الله عنها ـ كَانَ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَقُولُ فِي مَرَضِهِ الَّذِي مَاتَ فِيهِ ‏ "‏ يَا عَائِشَةُ مَا أَزَالُ أَجِدُ أَلَمَ الطَّعَامِ الَّذِي أَكَلْتُ بِخَيْبَرَ، فَهَذَا أَوَانُ وَجَدْتُ انْقِطَاعَ أَبْهَرِي مِنْ ذَلِكَ السَّمِّ ‏"‏‏‏ = Breathlessness, shortness of breath, suffocation (Ab'hari)

    He felt breathlessness and did not die because his Aorta was ripped out. Lack of air vs lack instant death due to blood loss. Email the admins on the anti Islam website, and ask them to check the Arabic for you.

    How is Surah 69:44 a fabrication when it clearly states:

    "And if Muhammad had made up about Us some [false] sayings."

    I know you don't understand Arabic, but assuming English is your mother tongue, please examine the word highlighted and underlined in RED

    The ref to John 14 and being Torah observant was first made by you.

    Finally thanks for confirming Muhammad pbuh was indeed a Prophet of GOD using your own argument.

    One of the most important things he relayed to Christians was desist from saying Three. If nothing else sinks in, do reflect on that crucial point for your salvation.
  16. Albion

    Albion Facilitator

    "Muslims say Solomon refers to Muhammed. The word used is the Hebrew ‘Machmaddim’. Muslims claim that this word is a reference to Muhammad for two reasons, The word Machmad (singular of Machmaddim) sounds a bit like the name Mohammed and it means ‘one who is worthy of praise’ so Muslims say this is Mohammed.The context of the passage identifies the person described as Machmad as someone in the time of Solomon (Song 3:11) who is loved by a Shulamite (Song 6:13). He is red-haired (Song 5:10). None of these descriptions fits Muhammad."

    (from amazingbibletimeline.com)
  17. Armoured

    Armoured So is America great again yet? Supporter

    Are you old enough to remember when Saddam Hussein was absolutely, 100% guaranteed to be "the Beast"? Or before him, when it was Mikhail Gorbachev absolutely, 100% guaranteed? Interestingly, many of those prophecies were made by exactly the same people.

    I wonder who it will be next?
  18. DWA2DAY

    DWA2DAY convictions are worse Enemies of Truth than Lies!

    Please for those of you who wish to know the truth use the link as not only is it a Islamic site it will refute Muslim UK denial of the truth and falsehood of the Islamic Faith. I trust you will be able to navigate through the pages as easly as I did.

    The Islamic resource that I have used and contradicts what you (Muslim UK ) have said thus must re affirm my introduction:-

    Again your use of scripture is mute as refered to before 2 Thess 2:10
  19. Muslim-UK

    Muslim-UK Well-Known Member

    You should listen to how the passage is pronounced to understand our case:

    And remember the chapter gives a description of this mystery man:

    5:10 My beloved [is] white and ruddy, the chief among ten thousand.

    Prophet Muhammad (s) was forced to migrate to Medina (Teman) from Makkah (Paran). He returned to conquer Makkah with 10,000 of saints as also mentioned in Habakkuk 3, Jude 1 and Deuteronomy 33.

    5:11 His head [is as] the most fine gold, his locks [are] bushy, [and] black as a raven*.

    5:12 His eyes [are] as [the eyes] of doves by the rivers of waters, washed with milk, [and] fitly set.

    5:13 His cheeks [are] as a bed of spices, [as] sweet flowers: his lips [like] lilies, dropping sweet-smelling myrrh.

    5:14 His hands [are as] gold rings set with the beryl: his belly [is as] bright ivory overlaid [with] sapphires.

    5:15 His legs [are as] pillars of marble, set upon sockets of fine gold: his countenance [is] as Lebanon, excellent as the cedars.

    5:16 His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is MUHAMMADIM. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.

    Muhammad description:
    Ruddy complexion with rosy colour, and his hair was neither very curly nor very straight. He had deep black eyes with long eyelashes. His physique was supple and lithe, with a full chest and broad shoulders. When he walked, he was determined and his pace was as if he was walking downhill. He is well spoken, clear in what he says, saying neither too much nor too little, his words flowing forth like a perfect string of pearls. "Whenever I shook hands with the Prophet, may Allah’s blessings and peace be upon him, or my skin touched his skin, I smelled the scent of musk on my hand for three days."

    *another word for Raven is Arab. Muhammad pbuh also marched on Mecca with 10,000 Companions.

    The Noble Hand of the Prophet
    Physical Description of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) by Umm Ma’bad
    Islamweb - kids corner - The physical description of the Prophet

    Nowhere else in the Tanakh does the word Muhammadim appear.

    Remember according to the Tanakh, a Prophet was to come from Arabia, from the people of Kedar with a New Covenant for the Gentiles, and lead a Great Nation as was promised to Ishmael pbuh.
  20. Muslim-UK

    Muslim-UK Well-Known Member

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