Col 2:16 is about not judging others

[disciple1]

Try doing all these things for your own glory and see where that leads. Besides the whole context of what Jesus said in Matthew 25 is that we are to do things without advertising that we have done it and are not boasting about it. We cannot do anything in the Name of God without feeling in our hearts our unworthiness and confessing it constantly. Paul said "I die daily". Death is quite drastic. We cannot be a half Christian just like we cannot be half dead. When we are a Christian it means much more than saying a few words and go about our worldly life as if nothing happened. The Christian life is a radical change. Jesus was referring to Christians who are obedient to ALL His requirements, and one of those requirements is confessing all their sins, unrighteousness, and unworthiness daily. There are many other requirements for being a Christian.
I have no idea what counterfeit translation those verses from James came from but they are not even close to the true, and only KJV bible, which the Holy Spirit has inspired Christians with for over 400 years. What is very sad is that people will choose a translation to fit their belief instead of relying on the Holy Spirit to reveal His truth to their hearts like Jesus said He would in John 14:26 & 16:13. The Holy Spirit will guide us into all truth, our understanding has very little to do with it, and to use a translation that has omitted many verses is to me a counterfeit. John tells us in Revelation:22:18 &19: "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." I do believe that John was not referring only to the book of revelation.

Galatians chapter 3 verse 23
Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed.

 

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Galatians chapter 3 verse 23
Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed.

So tell me??? What did that do to the law? Just because we were "held prisoners" by the law. Which if any law is broken we will be held prisoner to it also, like the speed limit. But the law remains. The law does only one thing and that is point out sin through judgement. We are judged by our works by the law. There has to be a standard. Why do people who profess the Name of Jesus keep wanting to do away with His holy just and good commandments? The commandments are a blessing not a curse. The book that Moses wrote as described in Deuteronomy 31 is considered the book of the law of blessings and curses and does not contain the TEN commandments. This is the book of the law that Paul wrote about in Galatians:3:10: "For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them." Please look it up in Deuteronomy 31. There was even a special place in the side of the ark of the covenant for this book, not inside where the TEN commandments were placed.

God bless your study

 

[disciple1]

So tell me??? What did that do to the law? Just because we were "held prisoners" by the law. Which if any law is broken we will be held prisoner to it also, like the speed limit. But the law remains. The law does only one thing and that is point out sin through judgement. We are judged by our works by the law. There has to be a standard. Why do people who profess the Name of Jesus keep wanting to do away with His holy just and good commandments? The commandments are a blessing not a curse. The book that Moses wrote as described in Deuteronomy 31 is considered the book of the law of blessings and curses and does not contain the TEN commandments. This is the book of the law that Paul wrote about in Galatians:3:10: "For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them." Please look it up in Deuteronomy 31. There was even a special place in the side of the ark of the covenant for this book, not inside where the TEN commandments were placed.

God bless your study

Matthew chapter 7 verses 1-3
Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? (1 John chapter 1 verse 8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
James chapter 2 verse 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.)
Now to Matthew chapter 7 verse 4-5
How can you say to your brother, Let me take the speck out of you eye, when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
Galatians chapter 2 verse 16
Know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.

 

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Show me where it states in the bible where we are not to judge. Jesus said in John:7:24: "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." We are told throughout the bible judge not lest you be judged, with what judgement you give it will be given to you again. When I judge someone for smoking while I am smoking I am a hypocrite. I do not do that, and I also am not even judging. What I do is share the truths I observe. Jesus tells us that we are fruit inspectors. He said Matthew:7:20: "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." How do we figure out if a fruit is ripe? we must JUDGE it.

How do you know that I have a beam in my eye. If I am reading what you are writing about me is that you are accusing me of judging someone???

Are we to just let our friend and loved ones jump off the cliff? Or are we to agree with them while they proceed to jump? Or are we to whisper in their ears not to jump? or are we to run and tackle them and do all in our power to keep them from jumping? The church today is jumping off a spiritual cliff and we are told not to idly stand by and let it happen. Look to the story of Meroz in Judges 5. Read Ezekiel 3 & 33 about the watchmen who do not blow the trumpet when danger comes.

Please read what it means to be "justified". This should be the most important study for all those who profess the Name of Jesus. Just because we are "justified" without the law, again what does that do to the law? does it cancel it somehow? What about our walk of sanctification? Just because we are saved today what about tomorrow? Do we do nothing? We are told in Colossians:2:6: "As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:" How are we to abide as we are "walking as He walked"? If there is no law then what is our guide on our walk of sanctification to heaven? Without some sort of standard we might as well throw out God's holy word the KJV bible.

 

[disciple1]

Show me where it states in the bible where we are not to judge. Jesus said in John:7:24: "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." We are told throughout the bible judge not lest you be judged, with what judgement you give it will be given to you again. When I judge someone for smoking while I am smoking I am a hypocrite. I do not do that, and I also am not even judging. What I do is share the truths I observe. Jesus tells us that we are fruit inspectors. He said Matthew:7:20: "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." How do we figure out if a fruit is ripe? we must JUDGE it.

How do you know that I have a beam in my eye. If I am reading what you are writing about me is that you are accusing me of judging someone???

Are we to just let our friend and loved ones jump off the cliff? Or are we to agree with them while they proceed to jump? Or are we to whisper in their ears not to jump? or are we to run and tackle them and do all in our power to keep them from jumping? The church today is jumping off a spiritual cliff and we are told not to idly stand by and let it happen. Look to the story of Meroz in Judges 5. Read Ezekiel 3 & 33 about the watchmen who do not blow the trumpet when danger comes.

Please read what it means to be "justified". This should be the most important study for all those who profess the Name of Jesus. Just because we are "justified" without the law, again what does that do to the law? does it cancel it somehow? What about our walk of sanctification? Just because we are saved today what about tomorrow? Do we do nothing? We are told in Colossians:2:6: "As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:" How are we to abide as we are "walking as He walked"? If there is no law then what is our guide on our walk of sanctification to heaven? Without some sort of standard we might as well throw out God's holy word the KJV bible.

1 John chapter 1 verse 8
If anyone claims to be without sin they deceive themselves and the truth is not in them.
James chapter 2 verse 10
If anyone keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point their guilty of breaking all of it.

 

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1 John chapter 1 verse 8
If anyone claims to be without sin they deceive themselves and the truth is not in them.
James chapter 2 verse 10
If anyone keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point their guilty of breaking all of it.

Really? There you go using the satanic counterfeit translation again. 1John:1:8: "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." If we SAY we have no sin we are sinning. Pride, in the form of selfishness is the foundation of all sin. This does not mean we will never stop sinning.

James:2:10: "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." James is stating the opposite of what you try to make this mean. We are to stop sinning, and if we do sin we are guilty the same as if we broke all the TEN commandments. In fact when we do sin all our righteousness will not be remembered according to Ezekiel:33:13: "When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it."

Please study this out for yourself and stop following the popular deception that we will never be overcomers because the bible does not teach that at all. We are to have and claim complete victory through the cross every step of our Christian walk of sanctification.

 

[disciple1]

Really? There you go using the satanic counterfeit translation again. 1John:1:8: "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." If we SAY we have no sin we are sinning. Pride, in the form of selfishness is the foundation of all sin. This does not mean we will never stop sinning.

James:2:10: "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." James is stating the opposite of what you try to make this mean. We are to stop sinning, and if we do sin we are guilty the same as if we broke all the TEN commandments. In fact when we do sin all our righteousness will not be remembered according to Ezekiel:33:13: "When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it."

Please study this out for yourself and stop following the popular deception that we will never be overcomers because the bible does not teach that at all. We are to have and claim complete victory through the cross every step of our Christian walk of sanctification.

You say I misunderstand the bible I say your mistaken.
John chapter 8 verse 31,32
To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, " If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
Here Jesus is offering freedom, your offering slavery.
Galatians chapter 4
Hagar and Sarah

21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23 His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise.

24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. 27 For it is written:

“Be glad, barren woman,
you who never bore a child;
shout for joy and cry aloud,
you who were never in labor;
because more are the children of the desolate woman
than of her who has a husband.”[e]

28 Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30 But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.”[f] 31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.

 

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Here is your misunderstanding, like all SUNday churches. Did you know that it is impossible for SUNday denominations to teach obedience? I am not judging, nor condemning, but not obeying the forth commandment is like saying if we break one we are guilty of all, so in this respect it is impossible for anybody to teach obedience when they are not being obedient.

I will share with you the verses that tell us we must obey if we want to be saved. And the verses that say if we are disobedient we will be lost.

OBEY
Ac:5:29: Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
Ac:5:32: And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
Ro:2:8: But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Ro:6:12: Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Ro:6:16: Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Ro:6:17: But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Ro:10:16: But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
2Th:1:8: In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th:3:14: And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
Ti:3:1: Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,
Heb:5:9: And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Heb:11:8: By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
1Pe:4:17: For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

OBEDIENCE
Ro:1:5: By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
Ro:5:19: For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Ro:16:26: But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
1Co:14:34: Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
2Co:10:5: Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
2Co:10:6: And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
Heb:5:8: Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
1Pe:1:2: Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

DISOBEDIENCE
Eph:5:6: Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Col:3:6: For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
Heb:2:2: For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;

Please read and study these things. These are things a Christian must do or not do, and if they do or do not do them they will be lost. We do not obey to be saved, we obey because we are saved. Also do a study on righteous and righteousness. If we are not righteous today we will not be saved. I am in no wise referring to self righteousness that Paul states in Romans 3:10. I am referring to the righteousness John is referring to in 1John:3:7: "Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous." How do we "do righteousness"? By teaching that we do not have to obey God? Or by teaching that God, the creator of the universe has NO guidelines (law) for His children to follow, while all worldly governments do? The main reason SUNday worshipers try to remove God's holy just and good law is because of the forth commandment. God does not judge us for what we do not know, nor are convicted of. That includes the forth commandment. BUT if the Comforter does convict us of a sin in our lives and we do not obey that conviction we will be lost. We must be following every conviction the Comforter reveals to our heart. We might be able to hide convictions from our friends and family but not from God. To say that "I am saved" and I do not have to obey si a seriouys matter. This is what I try to wake people up to because it is the most corrupted doctrine in the bible. Satan wants us to have 99% of the truth. This doctrine of salvation is the 1% that he has attacked because without the truth about salvation we are lost.

Do you actually believe that you could break any of the TEN commandments if you love the way Jesus said to, agape? If you really love God with your whole heart like Jesus said to could you break any of the first four commandments? If you really love your neighbor AS YOURSELF could you break one of the last six commandments? It is impossible to break any of God's perfect law of love, which is the TEN commandments, if we love.

Those who keep arguing against the "law" have no idea what a "law" is for. Many will say that we are to be obedient to Jesus commands which He gave in the sermon on the mount. That is part of it. He also told the rich young ruler to obey God's TEN commandments as He quoted some of them. God's TEN commandments never have saved anybody. God's holy just and good TEN commandments are a blessing, which only point out sin. The TEN commandments are a mirror. If we think that when we accept Jesus all our sins past, present, and future are gone miraculously we are not reading and studying our bibles. Paul tells us in Romans:3:24&25: "Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;" Only the sins which the Holy Spirit convicts us of and we confess and repent from are taken away. The Holy Spirit cannot convict us of sins we have not committed yet. Sin is the transgression of the law 1 John 3:4.

 

[Bob S]

So tell me??? What did that do to the law? Just because we were "held prisoners" by the law. Which if any law is broken we will be held prisoner to it also, like the speed limit. But the law remains. The law does only one thing and that is point out sin through judgement. We are judged by our works by the law. There has to be a standard. Why do people who profess the Name of Jesus keep wanting to do away with His holy just and good commandments? The commandments are a blessing not a curse. The book that Moses wrote as described in Deuteronomy 31 is considered the book of the law of blessings and curses and does not contain the TEN commandments. This is the book of the law that Paul wrote about in Galatians:3:10: "For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them." Please look it up in Deuteronomy 31. There was even a special place in the side of the ark of the covenant for this book, not inside where the TEN commandments were placed.

God bless your study

I was reading your post and one of your statements really hit my eye. You stated that "we are judged by our works by the law". Where in the world do you find that in scripture. If that is the case we are all condemned to hell. None have overcome sin. All fall short. It makes me very sad that there are so many people that think just as you do, salvation by works. We are judged by whether or not we believe.

No friend, we are not judged by our works, we are judged by by who we believe or or who we curse. Please read the following:
John 5:24New Life Version (NLV)
24 “For sure, I tell you, anyone who hears My Word and puts his trust in Him Who sent Me has life that lasts forever. He will not be guilty. He has already passed from death into life.

Claim the Promise friend. Need I say more? Probably because many have been programed to believe as you do. Try Jn 3:16 and read Paul's wonderful council. Do not allow men to lead you astray.

All the pious Sabbath observance and honoring parents will not save anyone. The fact is that man fails at both.

 

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I was reading your post and one of your statements really hit my eye. You stated that "we are judged by our works by the law". Where in the world do you find that in scripture. If that is the case we are all condemned to hell. None have overcome sin. All fall short. It makes me very sad that there are so many people that think just as you do, salvation by works. We are judged by whether or not we believe.

No friend, we are not judged by our works, we are judged by by who we believe or or who we curse. Please read the following:
John 5:24New Life Version (NLV)
24 “For sure, I tell you, anyone who hears My Word and puts his trust in Him Who sent Me has life that lasts forever. He will not be guilty. He has already passed from death into life.

Claim the Promise friend. Need I say more? Probably because many have been programed to believe as you do. Try Jn 3:16 and read Paul's wonderful council. Do not allow men to lead you astray.

All the pious Sabbath observance and honoring parents will not save anyone. The fact is that man fails at both.

I agree and teach that we are saved by grace. I teach that if we BELIEVE on the Lord Jesus Christ we will be saved. The big issue is what is belief? Is it a few words? Is faith belief? We are told that we are saved by grace through faith. Just what does that mean? Does that mean all we have to do is mutter a few words and voila we are magically saved forever, and all our sins past present and future are gone?

What kind of faith did Jesus have? We are told in
Revelation:14:12: "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." Just what is the "faith of Jesus". Is it a do nothing ascent to a denomination? Faith is action. When we pray are we to be satisfied when we get no response to that prayer? I don't think so. Jesus said ask and you shall receive. If we do not receive what we ask for, as long as it is in accordance with His wishes are we to be satisfied with that? Faith is acting on the promises. To vocalize the "sinners prayer" and leave our salvation there, which is what I hear from most of those who say the TEN commandments are nailed to the cross, or that obedience has nothing to do with salvation is quite dangerous and follows a very popular error. Not only has the majority, or popular teachings been wrong all throughout church history, but following Jesus, who came to bring a sword not peace and safety will always lead to persecution from the pharisees.

Nowhere in the bible will you find anything telling you that you can't stop sinning. You will never find anything in the bible that tells you that you that we will always sin. Quite contrary is the fact that the whole bible speaks of action, like victory, overcoming, enduring. He that committeh sin is of the devil 1 John 3. No way will the devil have eternal life. No way can Jesus share a heart that the devil is already presiding in. It is impossible to be a carnal Christian Romans 8. We are either Christ's through obedience, according to Matthew:4:4: "But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." Or we are not through disobedience like Paul wrote many times over in 1Corinthians:6:9&10: "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." to think that we can be righteous and sin is quite a deception. To believe that we will never be righteous, then according to Paul we will not inherit the kingdom of God, because "the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God". If we claim to be Christian and are doing any of these things on this list we are deceiving ourselves. I do not say this Paul does.

For your sake please study the whole bible and not just denominational traditions. I have been in every mainstream denomination and have learned that God's word does not end like all denominations do. We, as Christians, must always be on the path heavenward of sanctification. There is no stopping place.

 

[disciple1]

Here is your misunderstanding, like all SUNday churches. Did you know that it is impossible for SUNday denominations to teach obedience? I am not judging, nor condemning, but not obeying the forth commandment is like saying if we break one we are guilty of all, so in this respect it is impossible for anybody to teach obedience when they are not being obedient.

I will share with you the verses that tell us we must obey if we want to be saved. And the verses that say if we are disobedient we will be lost.

OBEY
Ac:5:29: Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
Ac:5:32: And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
Ro:2:8: But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Ro:6:12: Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Ro:6:16: Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Ro:6:17: But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Ro:10:16: But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
2Th:1:8: In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th:3:14: And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
Ti:3:1: Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,
Heb:5:9: And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Heb:11:8: By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
1Pe:4:17: For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

OBEDIENCE
Ro:1:5: By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
Ro:5:19: For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Ro:16:26: But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
1Co:14:34: Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
2Co:10:5: Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
2Co:10:6: And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
Heb:5:8: Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
1Pe:1:2: Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

DISOBEDIENCE
Eph:5:6: Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Col:3:6: For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
Heb:2:2: For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;

Please read and study these things. These are things a Christian must do or not do, and if they do or do not do them they will be lost. We do not obey to be saved, we obey because we are saved. Also do a study on righteous and righteousness. If we are not righteous today we will not be saved. I am in no wise referring to self righteousness that Paul states in Romans 3:10. I am referring to the righteousness John is referring to in 1John:3:7: "Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous." How do we "do righteousness"? By teaching that we do not have to obey God? Or by teaching that God, the creator of the universe has NO guidelines (law) for His children to follow, while all worldly governments do? The main reason SUNday worshipers try to remove God's holy just and good law is because of the forth commandment. God does not judge us for what we do not know, nor are convicted of. That includes the forth commandment. BUT if the Comforter does convict us of a sin in our lives and we do not obey that conviction we will be lost. We must be following every conviction the Comforter reveals to our heart. We might be able to hide convictions from our friends and family but not from God. To say that "I am saved" and I do not have to obey si a seriouys matter. This is what I try to wake people up to because it is the most corrupted doctrine in the bible. Satan wants us to have 99% of the truth. This doctrine of salvation is the 1% that he has attacked because without the truth about salvation we are lost.

Do you actually believe that you could break any of the TEN commandments if you love the way Jesus said to, agape? If you really love God with your whole heart like Jesus said to could you break any of the first four commandments? If you really love your neighbor AS YOURSELF could you break one of the last six commandments? It is impossible to break any of God's perfect law of love, which is the TEN commandments, if we love.

Those who keep arguing against the "law" have no idea what a "law" is for. Many will say that we are to be obedient to Jesus commands which He gave in the sermon on the mount. That is part of it. He also told the rich young ruler to obey God's TEN commandments as He quoted some of them. God's TEN commandments never have saved anybody. God's holy just and good TEN commandments are a blessing, which only point out sin. The TEN commandments are a mirror. If we think that when we accept Jesus all our sins past, present, and future are gone miraculously we are not reading and studying our bibles. Paul tells us in Romans:3:24&25: "Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;" Only the sins which the Holy Spirit convicts us of and we confess and repent from are taken away. The Holy Spirit cannot convict us of sins we have not committed yet. Sin is the transgression of the law 1 John 3:4.

It doesn't matter what day we worship God on, any day we worship God on if a pastor speaks we're listening to a fool.
1 Corinthians chapter 1

21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.
Here's the only reason to go to church, it's not the foolish pastor were going to see, it's to be with Jesus since he is there, in any church where Christ is the main focus.
Matthew chapter 18
20 For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”

 

[Bob S]

I agree and teach that we are saved by grace. I teach that if we BELIEVE on the Lord Jesus Christ we will be saved. The big issue is what is belief? Is it a few words? Is faith belief? We are told that we are saved by grace through faith. Just what does that mean? Does that mean all we have to do is mutter a few words and voila we are magically saved forever, and all our sins past present and future are gone?

Let me start out by writing what being save by Grace through faith is not. It is not trying to keep days that were given only to the nation of Israel. It is not what you do or don't eat or whether you give 10 percent or nothing. I think it is best to get that out of the way before we get into a serious discussion.

In my last post I pasted a couple of verses that pretty well sum up what it is to believe in Jesus. We put our full faith that He is the Savior of mankind sent by the Father and planned before the foundation of the Earth. Jesus is so magnetic that even the thief on the Cross believed and Jesus saved him. All he did was to profess Jesus as Savior. Salvation has nothing to do with what we do after accepting Jesus, it has all to do with what Jesus has done, past tense, for us. Grace is unmerited favor. Meaning we don't deserve any favorit is by His grace that we attain it. Our merits cannot be used to gain eternal salvation. We are completely dependent on Jesus for eternal life and even the breath we take.

Let me also tell you that I was a Seventh-Day Adventist for nearly 40 years, so I know a little bit about what SDAs think. I also know why you think like you do. SDAs like you, in your opening statement, tell others that you believe we are saved by grace. It would seem like you really want to convince the Christian world that you are main stream Christians. I know deep down you really believe you are saved by your works just as you wrote in your post that I called out. One of the tenants of the SDA church is that you believe in the writings of Ellen G. White. Ellen has written volumes about how she believed one gains salvation and it was not by grace. Read this: It means eternal salvation to keep the Sabbath holy unto the Lord. God says: "Them that honor Me I will honor." {6T 356.4} Even after she attended the 1888 conference she either didn't understand Grace or she reverted back because of all the previous things she wrote.. She never recanted her previous writings . It would have incriminated her because she also made it known that all she wrote was not her thoughts, all her inspiration came from God.

What kind of faith did Jesus have? We are told in
Revelation:14:12: "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." Just what is the "faith of Jesus". Is it a do nothing ascent to a denomination? Faith is action.

First, do you see a 10 in front of commandments? SDAs would like for the remainder of Christianity to believe there is a 10 there, but the fact is there is not one there. The same John that wrote Revelation also wrote 1Jn 3:19-24. In those verses John tells us what the commandments of God are. Here are the verses for your consideration.
19 This is how we know we are Christians. It will give our heart comfort for sure when we stand before Him. 20 Our heart may say that we have done wrong. But remember, God is greater than our heart. He knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our heart does not say that we are wrong, we will have no fear as we stand before Him. 22 We will receive from Him whatever we ask if we obey Him and do what He wants. 23 This is what He said we must do: Put your trust in the name of His Son, Jesus Christ, and love each other. Christ told us to do this. 24 The person who obeys Christ lives by the help of God and God lives in him. We know He lives in us by the Holy Spirit He has given us.

SDAs would like us to believe that John was wrong and we have to observe the old covenant Sabbath that was given to only Israel. Then even after they tell us that the book of the law is no longer binding we have to tithe and observe the unclean meat laws that were special only to Israel.

As to the words "faith of Jesus" Jesus kept His Father's commands and He asks us to keep His commands. His new command is to love others just as he loves us. That is faith in action my friend not observing old covenant ritual days. SDAs have their emphasis on the wrong syllable.

When we pray are we to be satisfied when we get no response to that prayer? I don't think so. Jesus said ask and you shall receive. If we do not receive what we ask for, as long as it is in accordance with His wishes are we to be satisfied with that? Faith is acting on the promises. To vocalize the "sinners prayer" and leave our salvation there, which is what I hear from most of those who say the TEN commandments are nailed to the cross, or that obedience has nothing to do with salvation is quite dangerous and follows a very popular error. Not only has the majority, or popular teachings been wrong all throughout church history, but following Jesus, who came to bring a sword not peace and safety will always lead to persecution from the pharisees.

Oh my, where to start? Have you ever read 2Cor3:7-11? There Paul tells us that the 10 commandments were (past tense) the law of death. Here read it for yourself.
7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

7 The Law of Moses was written on stone and it brought death. But God’s shining-greatness was seen when it was given. When Moses took it to the Jews, they could not look at his face because of the bright light. But that bright light in his face began to pass away. 8 The new way of life through the Holy Spirit comes with much more shining-greatness. 9 If the Law of Moses, that leads to death, came in shining-greatness, how much greater and brighter is the light that makes us right with God? 10 The Law of Moses came with shining-greatness long ago. But that light is no longer bright. The shining-greatness of the New Way of Worship that brings us life is so much brighter. 11 The shining light that came with the Law of Moses soon passed away. But the new way of life is much brighter. It will never pass away.

Nowhere in the bible will you find anything telling you that you can't stop sinning.

Think about it friend, if we could stop sinning then there would have been no reason for Jesus to sacrifice Himself for our sins. According to you we can do it on our own. You know it is not true that we can become sinless. Take a look at your own life. You are trumping scripture with ole Ellen's writings.

You will never find anything in the bible that tells you that you that we will always sin.

We will until we die or Jesus comes. Have you overcome sin? Does the Bible have to tell us the inevitable?

Quite contrary is the fact that the whole bible speaks of action, like victory, overcoming, enduring.

I can't believe you would try to tell us there was no need for Jesus to shed His blood for our sins because we can do it on our own. Sounds fishy like something you have read from the false prophet.

He that committeh sin is of the devil 1 John 3. No way will the devil have eternal life.

If that were to be true then hell will be overflowing. See you there.

No way can Jesus share a heart that the devil is already presiding in. It is impossible to be a carnal Christian Romans 8. We are either Christ's through obedience, according to Matthew:4:4: "But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." Or we are not through disobedience like Paul wrote many times over in 1Corinthians:6:9&10: "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners,( or those who do not "keep" the for only Israel Sabbath) (Bob's insert) shall inherit the kingdom of God." to think that we can be righteous and sin is quite a deception. To believe that we will never be righteous, then according to Paul we will not inherit the kingdom of God, because "the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God". If we claim to be Christian and are doing any of these things on this list we are deceiving ourselves. I do not say this Paul does.

Sorry friend, your writings sound too much like what the Holy Spirit led me out of.

For your sake please study the whole bible and not just denominational traditions. I have been in every mainstream denomination and have learned that God's word does not end like all denominations do. We, as Christians, must always be on the path heavenward of sanctification. There is no stopping place.

More SDA jargon. You sound so pious like you are the only ones that have any knowledge of what is in the scriptures. For your own sake instead of studying Ellen's writings study all that the Apostle Paul has written. Did you know that Paul wrote that the Sabbath you try to observe is but a shadow? Col 2:16-18. Why would I want to worship a shadow when I can worship Jesus the reality?

 

[BobRyan]

It doesn't matter what day we worship God on, any day we worship God on if a pastor speaks we're listening to a fool. ”

Is that what God said in Exodus 20:8-11?? Did He say that because we can have worship services on any number of days - that we should also ignore the Word of God in Ex 20:8-11??


Justified by Law is not what we are talking about under the New Covenant -- under the NC the TEN Commandments written on heart and mind

"what matters is Keeping the Commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19
"Saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

"Love Me and KEEP My Commandments" Ex 20:6
"If you LOVE Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15

When asked "which commandments?" Christ said

Matt 19
And someone came to Him and said;Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life 17 And He said to him, Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments; 18 Then he *said to Him, Which ones? And Jesus said,
You shall not commit murder;
You shall not commit adultery;
You shall not steal;
You shall not bear false witness;
19 Honor your father and mother;
and
You shall love your neighbor as yourself

 

[disciple1]

Is that what God said in Exodus 20:8-11?? Did He say that because we can have worship services on any number of days - that we should also ignore the Word of God in Ex 20:8-11??


Justified by Law is not what we are talking about under the New Covenant -- under the NC the TEN Commandments written on heart and mind

"what matters is Keeping the Commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19
"Saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

"Love Me and KEEP My Commandments" Ex 20:6
"If you LOVE Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15

When asked "which commandments?" Christ said

Matt 19
And someone came to Him and said;Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life 17 And He said to him, Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments; 18 Then he *said to Him, Which ones? And Jesus said,
You shall not commit murder;
You shall not commit adultery;
You shall not steal;
You shall not bear false witness;
19 Honor your father and mother;
and
You shall love your neighbor as yourself

Galatians chapter 5 verse 6
The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself in love.
Acts chapter 13
38 “Therefore, my friends, I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. 39 Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses.
These verses show the only things we need to do.

 

[masmpg]

Galatians chapter 5 verse 6
The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself in love.
Acts chapter 13
38 “Therefore, my friends, I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. 39 Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses.
These verses show the only things we need to do.

Let me get this straight. What the nominal Christian world believe and teach is that we can profess to love someone, God, and tell everybody that they do not have to obey Him. To me that is just not what love is all about. To me love means to do everything God tells us to do. He never said that we must sin. He never said that His holy just and good TEN commandments were done away with in any form. He never said that it is okay to teach people that obedience to Him and His law is not necessary for salvation. Quite opposite is the truth. IF we read the whole bible and not depend on denominational bias then the Holy Spirit will lead us. I use to fall for the preconceived opinions of denominational tradition. I thank God that He, through the Comforter delivered me from it through massive amounts of reading and studying His word, not denominational traditions.

I choose to believe and follow and obey everything I am told to throughout all of God's holy word the KJV bible. I know for a fact that grace was given FOR OBEDIENCE not for do nothing professions. Romans:1:5: "By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:" I do not say that we have been given grace FOR OBEDIENCE, but I follow that action verse that Paul stated. To say that "obedience to the faith" somehow excuses our obedience to everything that proceedeth out of the mouth of God Matthew 4:4, and gives us license to believe and teach that we have to do nothing when the bible says just the opposite, well that is quite a stretch. The bible is all cation. There is NO idling for the Christian. Either we are advancing or retreating, we cannot sit still on our walk of sanctification.

 

[disciple1]

Let me get this straight. What the nominal Christian world believe and teach is that we can profess to love someone, God, and tell everybody that they do not have to obey Him. To me that is just not what love is all about. To me love means to do everything God tells us to do. He never said that we must sin. He never said that His holy just and good TEN commandments were done away with in any form. He never said that it is okay to teach people that obedience to Him and His law is not necessary for salvation. Quite opposite is the truth. IF we read the whole bible and not depend on denominational bias then the Holy Spirit will lead us. I use to fall for the preconceived opinions of denominational tradition. I thank God that He, through the Comforter delivered me from it through massive amounts of reading and studying His word, not denominational traditions.

I choose to believe and follow and obey everything I am told to throughout all of God's holy word the KJV bible. I know for a fact that grace was given FOR OBEDIENCE not for do nothing professions. Romans:1:5: "By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:" I do not say that we have been given grace FOR OBEDIENCE, but I follow that action verse that Paul stated. To say that "obedience to the faith" somehow excuses our obedience to everything that proceedeth out of the mouth of God Matthew 4:4, and gives us license to believe and teach that we have to do nothing when the bible says just the opposite, well that is quite a stretch. The bible is all cation. There is NO idling for the Christian. Either we are advancing or retreating, we cannot sit still on our walk of sanctification.

Galatians chapter 5 verse 6
The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself in love.

1 John chapter 4
7 Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God

 

[masmpg]

1 John chapter 4
7 Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God

Wow that really related to what I wrote. NOT!

So you are still saying that you can profess, or say with your lips, as lip service, that you love as you believe and teach that obedience is not necessary to love???? This makes zero sense. I choose to follow Jesus like I will always do, as He says if you love me keep my commandments. John 14:15

 

[Bob S]

Bump for masmpg. Maybe you didn't see my reply #132 to your post. What are your thoughts? There are many lurkers here on this forum and I am sure they would like answers to my statements and questions. I challenged your statement in a previous post. Was I correct and how would you answer my challenges?

 

[disciple1]

Wow that really related to what I wrote. NOT!

So you are still saying that you can profess, or say with your lips, as lip service, that you love as you believe and teach that obedience is not necessary to love???? This makes zero sense. I choose to follow Jesus like I will always do, as He says if you love me keep my commandments. John 14:15

You forget you don't obey the commandments, no one ever did but Christ.
Look at this.
Romans chapter 9 verses 30-Romans chapter 10 verse 4
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. As it is written: See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame. Brothers my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are Zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own the did not submit to God's righteousness, Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

 

[BobRyan]

Ex 20:6 "Don't take God's name in vain"

You forget you don't obey the commandments, no one ever did but Christ.
.

Is this your response to everyone that admit to this Bible fact that we are not to take God's name in vain?

Romans 8 says the wicked do not submit to the LAW of God- neither indeed can they.

Romans 8
3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.