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notice that instead of the Bible saying "no one keeps the command to not take God's name in vain - so don't bother -- after all -- all have sinned" -- the bible affirms God's Ten Commandments.

I ask again --

What commandments do these NT authors quote - specifically which ones?

do they really limit themselves to just Lev 19:18 and Deut 6:5????


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Matt 19
And someone came to Him and said;Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life 17 And He said to him, Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments; 18 Then he *said to Him, Which ones? And Jesus said,
You shall not commit murder;
You shall not commit adultery;
You shall not steal;
You shall not bear false witness;
19 Honor your father and mother;

and
You shall love your neighbor as yourself


"what matters is Keeping the Commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19


Matt 5
17 Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


"do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31

What law? The Law that condemns all mankind as sinners -

Rom 3

19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

That same law - same chapter

"do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31

Note Paul says in Romans 3 that this is the Law that defines sin and condemns the entire world as sinners... that would not be "the Law about Passover". That does not condemn gentiles at all.
.

Matt 22 "On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.

Luke 16:16 "The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it."

Any part of scripture read could fall under that title.

Acts 13:15 And after the reading of the Law and the Prophets, the rulers of the synagogue sent to them, saying, Men and brethren, if you have any word of exhortation for the people, say on.

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Rom 7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.


Rom 13
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Thou shalt not covet;

and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.


James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, ou shall love your neighbor as yourself, (Lev 19:18) you are doing well.
9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
11 For He who said, [/FONT]
Do not commit adultery
also said,
Do not commit murder.
Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty
 
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notice that instead of the Bible saying "no one keeps the command to not take God's name in vain - so don't bother -- after all -- all have sinned" -- the bible affirms God's Ten Commandments.

I ask again --

What commandments do these NT authors quote - specifically which ones?

do they really limit themselves to just Lev 19:18 and Deut 6:5????


=========================

Matt 19
And someone came to Him and said;Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life 17 And He said to him, Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments; 18 Then he *said to Him, Which ones? And Jesus said,
You shall not commit murder;
You shall not commit adultery;
You shall not steal;
You shall not bear false witness;
19 Honor your father and mother;

and
You shall love your neighbor as yourself


"what matters is Keeping the Commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19


Matt 5
17 Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


"do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31

What law? The Law that condemns all mankind as sinners -

Rom 3

19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

That same law - same chapter

"do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31

Note Paul says in Romans 3 that this is the Law that defines sin and condemns the entire world as sinners... that would not be "the Law about Passover". That does not condemn gentiles at all.
.

Matt 22 "On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.

Luke 16:16 "The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it."

Any part of scripture read could fall under that title.

Acts 13:15 And after the reading of the Law and the Prophets, the rulers of the synagogue sent to them, saying, Men and brethren, if you have any word of exhortation for the people, say on.

=================================

Rom 7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.


Rom 13
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Thou shalt not covet;

and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.


James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, ou shall love your neighbor as yourself, (Lev 19:18) you are doing well.
9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
11 For He who said, [/FONT]
Do not commit adultery
also said,
Do not commit murder.
Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty

So . . . . When do you intend to start keeping God's commandments?
 
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Did Jesus break the sabbath according to Matthew 12 where the pharisees accused Him?

Technically the disciples broke the letter of the law when they gathered food on the Sabbath day. According to the law everything for the Sabbath was to be prepared on the preparation day so no extra work would be done on the Sabbath. The disciples did not prepare so they technically were in violation. Jesus justified his disciples by giving examples from scripture where others broke the Sabbath and were guiltless. The Sabbath was a shadow that pointed forward to the 'rest of Christ' or his finished work of redemption. Jesus was very subtly moving away from the strict observance of the letter of the law to a faith-based understanding of living in the Spirit. At Pentecost this was fully understood by thousands.
 
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Technically the disciples broke the letter of the law when they gathered food on the Sabbath day. .

That is what the Pharisees claimed - but the false accusation of the Pharisees was not supported by scripture - and so Christ condemned them.

Other examples where Pharisees "make stuff up" and Jesus condemns them "sola scriptura".

Notice what Jesus said about the obligation of others - when it comes to the "Commandment of God" -- the "Word of God" and "Moses said" -- in Mark 7:6-13


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.


Certainly from their point of view they would never have accused themselves of diminishing the Ten Commandments in the least.

But what does Christ accuse them of doing?

1. Using their own traditions to nullify one of the Ten Commandments.
2. He calls the Ten Commandments "Moses says" -- and "the Word of God" and "the Commandment of God"
3. He argues that even though they do not claim to be setting aside one of the Commandments of God - they in fact are by observing the example he gives in the case of the 5th Commandment.
4. He argues that this is just one example of the many things they do with their traditions - in this way - nullifying the Word of God. Contradicting the Commandment of God - one of the TEN.
5. He states that it nullifies their worship.
6. Jesus is not defending their additions -- he is defending God's Commandments
 
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That is what the Pharisees claimed - but the false accusation of the Pharisees was not supported by scripture - and so Christ condemned them.

Technically by the letter of the law the disciples broke the Sabbath. The Pharisees were correct when they condemned them. The man who picked up sticks on the Sabbath and was stoned to death didn't receive a second chance. He broke the Sabbath and received the punishment.
 
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Technically the disciples broke the letter of the law when they gathered food on the Sabbath day. According to the law everything for the Sabbath was to be prepared on the preparation day so no extra work would be done on the Sabbath. The disciples did not prepare so they technically were in violation. Jesus justified his disciples by giving examples from scripture where others broke the Sabbath and were guiltless. The Sabbath was a shadow that pointed forward to the 'rest of Christ' or his finished work of redemption. Jesus was very subtly moving away from the strict observance of the letter of the law to a faith-based understanding of living in the Spirit. At Pentecost this was fully understood by thousands.


I agree with what you say, but the question was "did Jesus break the sabbath"? Just because He was accused by the legalistic pharisees He never sinned, so if He did break the sabbath that would be a sin according to the biblical definition of sin.
 
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I agree with what you say, but the question was "did Jesus break the sabbath"? Just because He was accused by the legalistic pharisees He never sinned, so if He did break the sabbath that would be a sin according to the biblical definition of sin.

Is sin a violation of the letter of the law or the Spirit of the Law? Both definitions are in the bible.
 
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Here is what 1John:1:8: says "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." Quite a difference between "says" and "claims". If we SAY we have no sin we are sinning because pride leads to all sin. Nowhere in the bible are we told we cannot stop sinning, nor are we told that we will never overcome all sin in our lives. AAMOF the Jesus gives great rewards to the "overcomers" in revelation.

If you stumble at one point you are sing no matter which if the ten commandments you break because sin is, according to biblical definition in 1John:3:4: "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."
I couldn't stop sinning when I was in my 30's I tried very hard, and studied the bible very hard thing God would give me the answer.
We're not enemies tell me you view on this verse
James chapter 2 verse 10
If anyone keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point their guilty of breaking all of it.
Do you claim to be without sin.
Galatians chapter 3
10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[e] 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”[f] 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”[g] 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”[h] 14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
 
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I couldn't stop sinning when I was in my 30's I tried very hard, and studied the bible very hard thing God would give me the answer.
We're not enemies tell me you view on this verse
James chapter 2 verse 10
If anyone keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point their guilty of breaking all of it.
Do you claim to be without sin.
Galatians chapter 3
10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[e] 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”[f] 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”[g] 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”[h] 14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

When we give up trying in our flesh to stop sinning and accept Christ's righteousness, which includes HIS power of grace to have victory over all sin in our lives we will have that victory. BUT if we keep telling ourselves and others we will never stop sinning than all the verses Jesus speaks about victory and overcoming, and even enduring are meaningless.
Jesus said over and over to "go and sin no more" or "sin no more unless a worse thing come upon you". Are these impossible tasks?

I would never SAY I am without sin, because IF WE SAY we have no sin we are sinning. Pride is the foundation of all sin.

I ask you this; when you get on your knees and ask God to forgive your sins how many are left? Read 1 John 1:9 before you answer this in your own heart and say that we have sins in our lives after we ask Him to forgive them. When we arise from our knees after confessing our sins we are sinless, and do not have to sin ever again. Nowhere in the bible does it tell us that we will never stop sinning. Quite contrary is the fact that the old and new testament are full of action. Action that leads to victory in or lives that all who read this should rejoice in instead of argue against it.

Even though I weep every morning as I write these comments and have to keep going over the same things over and over, I rejoice in the fact that we can have complete victory today in Christ. Not because of any merit on our part. By grace through faith we have victory over all sin. Obedience and works are the fruit of faith not the means of obtaining it.

Here are two verses that really must be contemplated on and fully understood. Pray for the Holy Spirit to show you what these mean like he has to many who know the truth about living Christ's righteousness.
Romans:1:5: "By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:" Grace was given to us for obedience.
And this one Acts:5:32: "And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him." The Holy Spirit is only given to them that OBEY God. I have heard whole denominations that say obedience has nothing to do with salvation as they claim to have the gift of the Holy Spirit. This is impossible.
 
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When we give up trying in our flesh to stop sinning and accept Christ's righteousness, which includes HIS power of grace to have victory over all sin in our lives we will have that victory. BUT if we keep telling ourselves and others we will never stop sinning than all the verses Jesus speaks about victory and overcoming, and even enduring are meaningless.
Jesus said over and over to "go and sin no more" or "sin no more unless a worse thing come upon you". Are these impossible tasks?

I would never SAY I am without sin, because IF WE SAY we have no sin we are sinning. Pride is the foundation of all sin.

I ask you this; when you get on your knees and ask God to forgive your sins how many are left? Read 1 John 1:9 before you answer this in your own heart and say that we have sins in our lives after we ask Him to forgive them. When we arise from our knees after confessing our sins we are sinless, and do not have to sin ever again. Nowhere in the bible does it tell us that we will never stop sinning. Quite contrary is the fact that the old and new testament are full of action. Action that leads to victory in or lives that all who read this should rejoice in instead of argue against it.

Even though I weep every morning as I write these comments and have to keep going over the same things over and over, I rejoice in the fact that we can have complete victory today in Christ. Not because of any merit on our part. By grace through faith we have victory over all sin. Obedience and works are the fruit of faith not the means of obtaining it.

Here are two verses that really must be contemplated on and fully understood. Pray for the Holy Spirit to show you what these mean like he has to many who know the truth about living Christ's righteousness.
Romans:1:5: "By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:" Grace was given to us for obedience.
And this one Acts:5:32: "And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him." The Holy Spirit is only given to them that OBEY God. I have heard whole denominations that say obedience has nothing to do with salvation as they claim to have the gift of the Holy Spirit. This is impossible.
Isn't this an easier way.
1 Peter chapter 4
8 Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.
Jeremiah chapter 22
16 He defended the cause of the poor and needy,
and so all went well.
Is that not what it means to know me?”
declares the Lord.
What about these verses
Galatians chapter 4
Hagar and Sarah
21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23 His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise.

24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. 27 For it is written:

“Be glad, barren woman,
you who never bore a child;
shout for joy and cry aloud,
you who were never in labor;
because more are the children of the desolate woman
than of her who has a husband.”[e]

28 Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30 But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.”[f] 31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.
 
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Isn't this an easier way.
1 Peter chapter 4
8 Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.
Jeremiah chapter 22
16 He defended the cause of the poor and needy,
and so all went well.
Is that not what it means to know me?”
declares the Lord.
What about these verses
Galatians chapter 4

You might think that we have a do nothing religion, but the bible does not teach this. Only those who obey will have all that God offers man. Furthermore Love, Christ's righteousness, salvation, etc, will never "cover" any unconfessed sin. God has many unconditional promises but He also has many conditional promises that most people think that just because they have said a few words, (the sinners prayer) are free to sin all they want and those sins are somehow miraculously hidden, covered, or are not really sins. When one sins the law does one thing! IT POINTS OUT THAT SIN SO WE CAN CONFESS IT. God gave His TEN commandments as a blessing to point out sin. So to say "I have come to Jesus" and I do not need to know when I am sinning any more???? What kind of conclusion is that. This is what most of churchdom believe and teach. I have been in every denomination. Those who teach the free cheap grace doctrine do not use the bible. They use bits and pieces of it. Or they use a multitude of counterfeit translations to find the one that agrees with their error and quote from all translations to the confusion of the masses.

Most have no idea even what the old and the new covenants are. They quote the same verses you quote to prove a point but that does not define what the covenants are and to whom were they given.

The idiocy that states that God does not have any laws???? What government on earth has no laws???? A government without law is anarchy, so what those who teach there is no law are doing is promoting anarchy. The excuse that the law is "in my heart" and it somehow excuses us from obedience to every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God is absurd. All I can say is I have nothing to worry about on judgement day. I ask God to forgive my sins every day, and know through His word 1John 1:9, and by faith that all my sins are gone because He promised that if I confess He will cleanse from all unrighteousness. To argue that would make any future shaky ground. If I do not confess He will not forgive. Without the law how do we even know what to confess in the first place?
 
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You might think that we have a do nothing religion, but the bible does not teach this. Only those who obey will have all that God offers man. Furthermore Love, Christ's righteousness, salvation, etc, will never "cover" any unconfessed sin. God has many unconditional promises but He also has many conditional promises that most people think that just because they have said a few words, (the sinners prayer) are free to sin all they want and those sins are somehow miraculously hidden, covered, or are not really sins. When one sins the law does one thing! IT POINTS OUT THAT SIN SO WE CAN CONFESS IT. God gave His TEN commandments as a blessing to point out sin. So to say "I have come to Jesus" and I do not need to know when I am sinning any more???? What kind of conclusion is that. This is what most of churchdom believe and teach. I have been in every denomination. Those who teach the free cheap grace doctrine do not use the bible. They use bits and pieces of it. Or they use a multitude of counterfeit translations to find the one that agrees with their error and quote from all translations to the confusion of the masses.

Most have no idea even what the old and the new covenants are. They quote the same verses you quote to prove a point but that does not define what the covenants are and to whom were they given.

The idiocy that states that God does not have any laws???? What government on earth has no laws???? A government without law is anarchy, so what those who teach there is no law are doing is promoting anarchy. The excuse that the law is "in my heart" and it somehow excuses us from obedience to every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God is absurd. All I can say is I have nothing to worry about on judgement day. I ask God to forgive my sins every day, and know through His word 1John 1:9, and by faith that all my sins are gone because He promised that if I confess He will cleanse from all unrighteousness. To argue that would make any future shaky ground. If I do not confess He will not forgive. Without the law how do we even know what to confess in the first place?
God gave His TEN commandments as a blessing to point out sin.
This in Galatians chapter 4 is about the ten commandments.
Galatians chapter 4
Hagar and Sarah
21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23 His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise.

24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. 27 For it is written:

“Be glad, barren woman,
you who never bore a child;
shout for joy and cry aloud,
you who were never in labor;
because more are the children of the desolate woman
than of her who has a husband.”[e]

28 Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30 But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.”[f] 31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.
If love covers many sins why not use it to cover them, everyone sins we should all love so our sin will be covered.
1 Peter chapter 4
8 Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.

1 Peter chapter 4
8 Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.
Why make it hard on yourself and be a slave as it says in Galatians chapter 4
 
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Technically the disciples broke the letter of the law when they gathered food on the Sabbath day. According to the law everything for the Sabbath was to be prepared on the preparation day so no extra work would be done on the Sabbath. The disciples did not prepare so they technically were in violation. Jesus justified his disciples by giving examples from scripture where others broke the Sabbath and were guiltless. The Sabbath was a shadow that pointed forward to the 'rest of Christ' or his finished work of redemption. Jesus was very subtly moving away from the strict observance of the letter of the law to a faith-based understanding of living in the Spirit. At Pentecost this was fully understood by thousands.


Bloody Roman Catholic, therefore, untrustworthy, beguiling with enticing words, anti-Christ HERESY and humbug!


Jesus was very openly and authoritatively moving away from the establishment's abuse of the Law and Sabbath Day of the LORD GOD, to a faith-based understanding of HIM as being the Lord of the Sabbath, and not the priests of the temple or politicians of the day.


The disciples broke no letter of the Law when they gathered food on the Sabbath Day. They not even <<gathered food>>. You lie on the Sabbath Law with your hand on it! How far will you go to justify yourself instead of accept the Law condemns without distinction or regard of anyone’s Sabbath abstentionism superiority. It’ll get you, no matter how you may try or pretend that you have distanced yourself from it! Yes, the Law of the Sabbath of the LORD GOD won’t let you get away! By authority of the Lord of the Sabbath it condemned and demolished those Pharisees and bigots; you are easy prey, man, for the Law of the Lord Jesus’ Day —Day of triumph over all adversaries of the LORD and TRUTH.


Not the Lord Jesus, and not his disciples, and not the Sabbath or its Commandment that Sabbath Day, suffered defeat. It was Sabbath Day of the Lord Triumphant in his stride. The Priest of the Lord on the Sabbath, KILLED Athalia on That Day, and the People of the LORD crowned the Son of the King and put Him on the Throne and sang, God save the King; and the City had peace.
 
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This in Galatians chapter 4 is about the ten commandments.
Galatians chapter 4
Hagar and Sarah
21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23 His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise.

24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. 27 For it is written:

“Be glad, barren woman,
you who never bore a child;
shout for joy and cry aloud,
you who were never in labor;
because more are the children of the desolate woman than of her who has a husband.”[e]

28 Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30 But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.”[f] 31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.
If love covers many sins why not use it to cover them, everyone sins we should all love so our sin will be covered.

Why make it hard on yourself and be a slave as it says in Galatians chapter 4

<<<This in Galatians chapter 4 is about the ten commandments.>>>

It would have been so written, if so. But you are taking a looong chance, chancer! But so is <love> that covers <free> sin; it has no shame.
 
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<<<This in Galatians chapter 4 is about the ten commandments.>>>

It would have been so written, if so. But you are taking a looong chance, chancer! But so is <love> that covers <free> sin; it has no shame.

Love, or Christ's righteousness only covers CONFESSED sins. If we do not confess our sins will not be covered nor blotted out. 1John:1:9: "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." This is a wonderful promise that our sins will be forgiven and we will be cleansed from ALL unrighteousness, but it is conditional on the word IF we confess them.

Far too many are led to believe that all we have to do is call upon the Name of the Lord once. The bible never says that. Jesus said "ask and you shall receive". He did not say ask once. Faith is knowing that what we ask for will be carried out in our lives, but if it is not carried out is it because God does not want us to have it? NOPE it is because our faith is lacking and we must ask until we do receive the promise asked for. Like James tells us in chapter 1&5.
 
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Love, or Christ's righteousness only covers CONFESSED sins. If we do not confess our sins will not be covered nor blotted out. 1John:1:9: "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." This is a wonderful promise that our sins will be forgiven and we will be cleansed from ALL unrighteousness, but it is conditional on the word IF we confess them.

Far too many are led to believe that all we have to do is call upon the Name of the Lord once. The bible never says that. Jesus said "ask and you shall receive". He did not say ask once. Faith is knowing that what we ask for will be carried out in our lives, but if it is not carried out is it because God does not want us to have it? NOPE it is because our faith is lacking and we must ask until we do receive the promise asked for. Like James tells us in chapter 1&5.
What about these verses they don't say we have to confess our sins.
Matthew chapter 25 verses 31-46
When the Son of Man comes" in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. he will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. Then the King will say to those on his right, Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me. then the righteous will answer him, Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and got visit you? The King will reply, I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me. Then he will say to those on his left, Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.They also will answer, Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you? He will reply, I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me. Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.
And everyone is wrong in what they say sometimes, Look.
James chapter 3
Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. 2 We all stumble in many ways. Anyone who is never at fault in what they say is perfect, able to keep their whole body in check.
 
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Try doing all these things for your own glory and see where that leads. Besides the whole context of what Jesus said in Matthew 25 is that we are to do things without advertising that we have done it and are not boasting about it. We cannot do anything in the Name of God without feeling in our hearts our unworthiness and confessing it constantly. Paul said "I die daily". Death is quite drastic. We cannot be a half Christian just like we cannot be half dead. When we are a Christian it means much more than saying a few words and go about our worldly life as if nothing happened. The Christian life is a radical change. Jesus was referring to Christians who are obedient to ALL His requirements, and one of those requirements is confessing all their sins, unrighteousness, and unworthiness daily. There are many other requirements for being a Christian.
I have no idea what counterfeit translation those verses from James came from but they are not even close to the true, and only KJV bible, which the Holy Spirit has inspired Christians with for over 400 years. What is very sad is that people will choose a translation to fit their belief instead of relying on the Holy Spirit to reveal His truth to their hearts like Jesus said He would in John 14:26 & 16:13. The Holy Spirit will guide us into all truth, our understanding has very little to do with it, and to use a translation that has omitted many verses is to me a counterfeit. John tells us in Revelation:22:18 &19: "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." I do believe that John was not referring only to the book of revelation.
 
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