Is there salvation in Mary?

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Matthew 23:31
KJ21
Therefore ye are witnesses against yourselves, that ye are the children of them that killed the prophets.

" ... by every word of YHWH...."

This is not just one pope who carried out murdering "heretics", this is historical fact over hundreds of years and multitudes of popes

 

[Goatee]

Yeah, that Antletems can be ornery.
Gotcha, Buddy!
Your brother in Christ.
Bill

I am very easy going but will stand up with my life for Jesus and the church he brought us! Yes! The Catholic Church!

God bless you buddy boy

 

[Goatee]

People are not perfect, this is your stance to excuse murder? Is that what Jesus said, people are not perfect so murder will happen and Christians will murder and it's ok because people are not perfect.....do you stop and think about what you are saying?


On one hand, the CC teaches that the pope is the vicar of Christ, his representative of Jesus on earth. And you really think Jesus is ok with murdering people? I am sorry but that is just ludicrous and it amazes me how easily murders of millions can be so easily dismissed as "people are not perfect" when their persecution and deaths were directly at the hands of many many men in the CC.

This is not just one pope who carried out murdering "heretics", this is historical fact over hundreds of years and multitudes of popes. But you go on thinking what you want.

The 'Church' is not one 'individual'. We had some very bad Popes but still the church stands! These 'individuals' worked for their own needs and not the needs of the 'church'.

Jesus has still stood by 'his' church, the CC. Through bad times, he has remained the 'Cornerstone'.

Yes, some walls may have crumbled or a bit of roof may have caused problems but remember, 'THE' church, 'THE CATHOLIC CHURCH' Has a solid foundation!!!! It cannot be washed away, however much the devil tries!

A bad Pope or 2 etc, does not make a bad church! These 'Popes' were not 'true' Popes. They had their 'own' agenda!

The church still stands today! Stronger because of the Holy Spirit.

Blessings Buddy

 

[Goatee]

Isn't that what the Mormons and even Islam says as well!
I think we would all be better off obeying what the Creator has already told us within his Written Word than we are with following the vanity of any system that is primarily the fruit of the creature.

CC, 2000 year old church. Solid and True.

 

[Goatee]

Matthew 23:31
KJ21
Therefore ye are witnesses against yourselves, that ye are the children of them that killed the prophets.

" ... by every word of YHWH...."

Thats right. The Jews did kill their prophets!

 

[bbbbbbb]

People are not perfect, this is your stance to excuse murder? Is that what Jesus said, people are not perfect so murder will happen and Christians will murder and it's ok because people are not perfect.....do you stop and think about what you are saying?

On one hand, the CC teaches that the pope is the vicar of Christ, his representative of Jesus on earth. And you really think Jesus is ok with murdering people? I am sorry but that is just ludicrous and it amazes me how easily murders of millions can be so easily dismissed as "people are not perfect" when their persecution and deaths were directly at the hands of many many men in the CC.

This is not just one pope who carried out murdering "heretics", this is historical fact over hundreds of years and multitudes of popes. But you go on thinking what you want.

This reminds me of a conversation I once had with a Sunni Muslim who sincerely informed me that Islam was obviously superior to Christianity because Christianity has a long history of Christians killing Christians, but a Muslim has never killed another Muslim. I asked him about the Iran/Iraq war where the Sunnis slaughtered Shiites and vice versa. He glibly told me that the Shiites were not really Muslims, after all, so it was oky-doky to kill them. I then asked him about the atrocities of Saddam Hussein (a Sunni Muslim) against other Sunni Muslims. Then he placed his head into a very dark place and ignored me.

 

[Landon Caeli]

An exquisite piece...

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

... it is called idolatry.

 

[bbbbbbb]

... it is called idolatry.

Idolatry is a very serious sin in the sight of God.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

No idolators are found in heaven.
There's a list in Revelation of who is not found in heaven.

Idolatry is a very serious sin in the sight of God.

 

[bbbbbbb]

No idolators are found in heaven.
There's a list in Revelation of who is not found in heaven.

That is why I said it is a very serious sin in God's sight. We ought to flee idolatry.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I have nothing to do with it, and [positively, totally= ] expect you don't either. [other than exposing it when YHWH says to]

That is why I said it is a very serious sin in God's sight. We ought to flee idolatry.

 

[bbbbbbb]

I have nothing to do with it, and [positively, totally= ] expect you don't either. [other than exposing it when YHWH says to]

Yes, I avoid it like the deadly poison of the soul that it is. This is one reason I am here at CF and on this thread.

There is no salvation in any human, including Mary. There is salvation only through our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

AMEIN and HALLELUYAH ! in Y'SHUA (JESUS) !

 

[Goatee]

Exactly! Idolatry is very sinful. Us Catholics do not commit idolatry either. Its the blindness of non-Catholics that think we do. They see with their eyes not their hearts or Souls.

What come out of the mouth is more harmful than what goes in!

Take the Plank out of your own eye before looking at the splinter in your brothers!

 

[Biblicist]

Exactly! Idolatry is very sinful. Us Catholics do not commit idolatry either. Its the blindness of non-Catholics that think we do. They see with their eyes not their hearts or Souls.

Let's see, so I guess you are saying that we should avoid careful and astute observation and instead rely on what tickles the ear the most.

 

[Biblicist]

An exquisite piece...

And here's superb evidence that even the devil has absolutely great music, though the score is a bit of a dud.

 

[Goatee]

Let's see, so I guess you are saying that we should avoid careful and astute observation and instead rely on what tickles the ear the most.

'What tickles the ear most' is what you are doing when accusing Catholic of idolatry!

You have no clue! You need to study Catholicism properly.

 

[Biblicist]

'What tickles the ear most' is what you are doing when accusing Catholic of idolatry!

You have no clue! You need to study Catholicism properly.

You know what . . . it's probably about time that we do our Roman Catholic brothers and sisters (and the others) a favour by leaving you alone; as you regularly hand yourself to us on a plate - you simply make yourself a very tempting and tantalising target.

 

[7trees]

You know what . . . it's probably about time that we do our Roman Catholic brothers and sisters (and the others) a favour by leaving you alone; as you regularly hand yourself to us on a plate - you simply make yourself a very tempting and tantalising target.

Who is the tempter?