To whom and why God gave the Sabbaths?

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Bug Killer... I was trying to be nice, just having a discussion. He takes issues, tells me how I can't beat him with Scripture... kind of prideful I would say.

oh, sorry - I don't see any of his posts. too much confusion for me.

 

[Ken Rank]

A little child could answer (the question was pre-kindergarten).

As for this... I did answer, it plainly states that Adam was walking with God in the cool of the day. But you are now saying my reply is pre-kindergarten? What kind of discussion can we possibly have, how can we glean from one another when you demean and degrade a brother? I guess you go to the "Ignore" list too. Be blessed.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I didn't say I didn't know, I said I didn't know what you were asking. But we are heading into a topic here that isn't exactly what this thread is about. We'll catch up again I am sure. Blessings.

GOOD ! (got that mix up cleared up)

Here's the thread OP connection: (the anti-Scripture folk keep avoiding this) :

YHWH walked with ADAM and HAVAH in the GARDEN of EDEN for some amount of time, right ?

What do you think YHWH talked about with them ? (this is NOT a trick question; very true and simple like a 3 year old like me would be interested in when I was 3 years old --- GOD WALKED WITH PEOPLE ! WOW !! what DID HE SAY ? )

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

But you are now saying my reply is pre-kindergarten?

Again, that was the mix up not knowing you were replying to someone else.
Sorry for that mix up.
Yes, it is a subject 3 year olds are very interested in - no offense to older people.

 

[Ken Rank]

GOOD ! (got that mix up cleared up)

Here's the thread OP connection: (the anti-Scripture folk keep avoiding this) :

YHWH walked with ADAM and HAVAH in the GARDEN of EDEN for some amount of time, right ?

What do you think YHWH talked about with them ? (this is NOT a trick question; very true and simple like a 3 year old like me would be interested in when I was 3 years old --- GOD WALKED WITH PEOPLE ! WOW !! what DID HE SAY ? )

I would say He was both enjoying fellowship AND teaching Him instructions. Like I tried to tell the Bug, I know of 20-30 commandments that most would think are Sinai-forward and yet appear and are followed before Sinai. Abraham followed God commandments and Torah... Scripture says this plainly. So was the Sabbath followed? If God created that day to be DIFFERENT from the rest AT CREATION, then we really need God to repeat Himself and say it again? He doesn't need to, He already set the day apart at Creation.

 

[bugkiller]

Doesn't matter, it is still before the law was written. And seeing God rested on the Sabbath day, then the "Sabbath day" is established during creation week, not out of thin air. Well, not by me anyway.

God did not rest on the Sabbath. Remember the Sabbath does not appear until Ex 16. The 7th day and the Sabbath day are not the same thing. Yes both are the same day of the week.

bugkiller

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I would say He was both enjoying fellowship AND teaching Him instructions. Like I tried to tell the Bug, I know of 20-30 commandments that most would think are Sinai-forward and yet appear and are followed before Sinai. Abraham followed God commandments and Torah... Scripture says this plainly. So was the Sabbath followed? If God created that day to be DIFFERENT from the rest AT CREATION, then we really need God to repeat Himself and say it again? He doesn't need to, He already set the day apart at Creation.

Yes.
A FATHER teaches his children . That is very basic.
Y'SHUA repeated this many times to HIS disciples following HIM and being trained by HIM.

YHWH is a PERFECT FATHER, complete and whole and righteous and just in every way.

 

[pat34lee]

The first question would be... "Are you really keeping the Sinai Sabbath?".

I would worry about keeping what God actually said before trying
to keep what the Rabbis or other men say. The not driving cars thing
is ridiculous, along with some of the other traditions, like not turning
lights on or off, or pushing buttons on an elevator.

 

[bugkiller]

That is quite the prideful reply. Take care.

You're invited to try. But I see you're not interested in debate, just preaching. The "I said so" authority ended when I left home as a teenager.

bugkiller

 

[pat34lee]

God did not rest on the Sabbath. Remember the Sabbath does not appear until Ex 16. The 7th day and the Sabbath day are not the same thing. Yes both are the same day of the week.

bugkiller

What do you think the difference is? Just the name.

 

[Ken Rank]

God did not rest on the Sabbath. Remember the Sabbath does not appear until Ex 16. The 7th day and the Sabbath day are not the same thing. Yes both are the same day of the week.

bugkiller

This is my last post to you. You might go look up the word for rested in Genesis 2:2. It is Shabbat with a prefix.... but you knew that, you read Hebrew, right?

 

[bugkiller]

I would worry about keeping what God actually said before trying
to keep what the Rabbis or other men say. The not driving cars thing
is ridiculous, along with some of the other traditions, like not turning
lights on or off, or pushing buttons on an elevator.

Sure thing so amend the Scripture to your liking. How cool!

bugkiller

 

[pat34lee]

B. Vs. 21 has been interpreted a number of ways. You may want to spell out how you interpret it. However, it was not included in the letter sent to the churches. So it was not the most important part.

2nd theory, it was important, but obvious to anyone who knows
the scriptures.

As I said, nobody becomes a believer and knows the law on the
first day. With Jewish believers, you also have to worry about
ritual cleanness, as the temple was still in operation. They gave
just enough so that new believers would not contaminate those
around them unknowingly, expecting that they would learn and
apply the teachings of God to their lives as they learned.

 

[pat34lee]

Sure thing so amend the Scripture to your liking. How cool!

bugkiller

Don't misrepresent me when you know full well what I said.
That is bearing false witness and lying.

 

[bugkiller]

Bug Killer... I was trying to be nice, just having a discussion. He takes issues, tells me how I can't beat him with Scripture... kind of prideful I would say.

You have the opportunity to humble me with Scripture and won't even try. Cool! I've retired people like before.

bugkiller

 

[Ken Rank]

You have the opportunity to humble me with Scripture and won't even try. Cool! I've retired people like before.

bugkiller

A sword is sharpened when the edge is rubbed firmly against another edge. It is damaged when it is used in a sword fight. You want to fight, you want to beat your chest, you want the world you see how smart you think you are as you hide behind a screen name, BUG. I am blocking you now not because I don't have the resources to engage and debate, but because I realize there will be no one edified in the process. This will turn, is turning, into a theological urinating match that causes division, which is something God HATES. (Prov. 6:16-19)

When you get to a point where you can have the discussion, Google me, you'll find me. Until then, be blessed and have a great life.

 

[bugkiller]

Don't misrepresent me when you know full well what I said.
That is bearing false witness and lying.

Didn't misrepresent anything. The fact that something specific is mentioned has no bearing on the truth. For instance take a vehicle. It is not mentioned in the law. Correct? But I ask you what does a vehicle do? Does it not replace the beast of burden for example? IOW if you didn't have a vehicle how would you transport your stuff? All the lawyers I know avoid the law in this way. Funny thing is a vehicle was a beast for my SDA neighbor when he hired me to get it out of the ditch on the Sabbath after I advised him to stay at home during inclement weather the night before. It was a vehicle when transporting him to Sabbath worship and became a beast when in the ditch. He violated the 4th commandment on more than one count.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

GOOD ! (got that mix up cleared up)

Here's the thread OP connection: (the anti-Scripture folk keep avoiding this) :

Yeah the Book of the Law isn't Scripture and neither are the prophets, Gospels and certainly not the works of Paul.

YHWH walked with ADAM and HAVAH in the GARDEN of EDEN for some amount of time, right ?

Yeppers

What do you think YHWH talked about with them ? (this is NOT a trick question; very true and simple like a 3 year old like me would be interested in when I was 3 years old --- GOD WALKED WITH PEOPLE ! WOW !! what DID HE SAY ? )

Why don't you tell us from the Scripture? Moses said Adam did not have the law (Sabbath) - Deut 5.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

I would say He was both enjoying fellowship AND teaching Him instructions. Like I tried to tell the Bug, I know of 20-30 commandments that most would think are Sinai-forward and yet appear and are followed before Sinai. Abraham followed God commandments and Torah... Scripture says this plainly. So was the Sabbath followed? If God created that day to be DIFFERENT from the rest AT CREATION, then we really need God to repeat Himself and say it again? He doesn't need to, He already set the day apart at Creation.

But Moses said -

5 And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.

2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.

3 The Lord made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.

Do you have a counter?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

What do you think the difference is? Just the name.

I am very curious, have you checked what the original language actually says? If it is the same thing why does Moses use different words? In Gen Moses says 7th day and in Ex Moses says Sabbath.

bugkiller