To whom and why God gave the Sabbaths?

[Cribstyl]

"Serious about the scriptures" ?
Who among us says NOT TO KEEP THE SCRIPTURES ?
Who among us teaches their children to honor YHWH'S WORD ?

Get yourself familiar with the rules of this forum. (don't get personal)
I don't agree with your argument that God set apart Sabbath on the 7th day in creation. The scriptures reiterates that God rested on the 7th day and blessed the seventh day because He was rested from all His work. The place of God's rest cannot be defiled by man. The Sabbath was first given to the Children of Israel. Israel has a history of defiling the Sabbath day.

 

[BABerean2]

Who denies the TRUTH ?
My life depends on YHWH, on Y'SHUA, and YHWH'S WORD.
Without HIM I am nothing.
Whatever HE SAYS, "EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS FROM THE MOUTH OF YHWH" to live by.

Not man's traditions, or other things opposed to YHWH.

Are you a Judaiser?

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[yeshuaslavejeff]

Are you a Judaiser?

No.
Are you a martyr ?

 

[BABerean2]

No.
Are you a martyr ?

Not yet...

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[tall73]

You do not have to be circumcised because God never required it in the first place, and if He had required it of all Gentiles, then you should obey God instead of Paul and the Jerusalem Council because they were never given any authority to countermand God.

I am trying to understand your position on the Jerusalem council.

Act 15:23 with the following letter: "The brothers, both the apostles and the elders, to the brothers who are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia, greetings.
Act 15:24 Since we have heard that some persons have gone out from us and troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions,
Act 15:25 it has seemed good to us, having come to one accord, to choose men and send them to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
Act 15:26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Act 15:27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth.
Act 15:28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements:
Act 15:29 that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell."

Do you not accept Acts as inspired, or do you not accept the Holy Spirit as divine?

 

[pat34lee]

Do you not accept Acts as inspired, or do you not accept the Holy Spirit as divine?

Wrong question. The right question is, "Why did the summary list not include
the most important part given just before?"

21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Do you think anyone knows all about being a believer on the first day?
Of course not, as you can see by these forum posts. People can spend
years and know nothing more than they learned the first day or first
week as a believer. They may make it to the promised land, but they
will be ashamed at how little they cared what God thought when they
were alive.

 

[1John2:4]

On the question posed in the title of the OP as to "why God gave the Sabbaths" one can be left a little confused:

Exodus 20:8 Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labour and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. (emphasis mine)

Deuteronomy 5:13 Six days you shall labour and do all your work, 14 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor the alien within your gates, so that your manservant and maidservant may rest, as you do. 15 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the LORD your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the LORD your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day. (emphasis mine)

There is actually a good reason for this discrepancy.

I'm sorry where is the discrepancy? Thanks

 

[1John2:4]

Truthfully, in Ex 20:8 the word 'remember' has many variables, but in Deut 5 Moses explains that He was between the people and God when He commanded you to keep the Sabbath. When you understand the structure of the 4th commandment, you'd see God telling them what to keep, how to keep it and why to keep it.
(THE SABBATH COMMANDMENT)
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

(HOW TO KEEP THE SABBATH COMMANDMENT)
9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.

(WHY TO KEEP THE SABBATH COMMANDMENT)
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
Notice that when God tells you WHY to keep it, this is when He take you back to creation, not before. If you study some more your facts wont contradict other scriptures.
The ugly truth is that God's restated the Genesis 2:1-3 fact that He rested on the Seventh day. It your choice to say whether God rested on the 7th day or to say, that God kept Sabbath. The word THEREFORE means 'this is why'. So the Sabbath is also blessed and hallowed because God rested on the 7th day.
The scripture does not say remember the 7th day. So, Remember the Sabbath day could only take them back to manna.
Hopefully you'll rebut my arguments and not change the channel.

Thanks for your reply. Well I guess you have your own commentary the text is pretty clear that He wants us to remember the commandment. They were keeping Shabbat before the law was written when they collected the manna if that is what you are pointing to. I just don't understand why you would not want to keep it? What is wrong with taking God's holy day off to honor Him? I find many blessings in it.

 

[JackRT]

I'm sorry where is the discrepancy? Thanks

There are contradictions found in the three versions of the Ten Commandments contained in the Bible (Exodus 34:1-28, Exodus 20:1-17, Deuteronomy 5:1-21). How can all three versions be true if they are not the same? Exodus 34, the oldest version at about 950 BC, is from the pen of the “J” or Jahwist writer and is not one of which many have ever heard. The final commandment in this earliest version reads “You shall not boil a kid in its mother’s milk.” Why, we are led to wonder, was this original set of Ten Commandments rejected or replaced? The second version Exodus 20, from about 850 BC, was from the pen of the “E” or Elohist writer, but was greatly expanded about 560 BC by a group of people called the “P” or priestly writers. Did these writers, who added so much to the entire body of the Jewish Scriptures, do so because they judged the original version to be so woefully inadequate that it required major additions and editing? Does one alter or tamper with what one believes to be “The Word of God?” The third version, Deuteronomy 5 in about 625 BC, was from the pen of the “D” or Deuteronomic writers composed somewhere between the original writing of Exodus 20 and the expansion done on that same text some 400 or so years later. For example, the version in Deuteronomy did not offer as the reason the Sabbath must be observed the fact that God rested on the Sabbath, for the version of that seven day creation story had not yet been written. So this author states that the Sabbath is to be observed because the people of Israel must remember that they were once slaves in Egypt and even slaves must have a day of rest. Which of these versions of the Ten Commandments, we might ask, can qualify as “The Word of God?”

 

[BABerean2]

I just don't understand why you would not want to keep it? What is wrong with taking God's holy day off to honor Him? I find many blessings in it.

The first question would be... "Are you really keeping the Sinai Sabbath?".

You are not to kindle a fire, therefore you cannot drive a vehicle because it uses an internal combustion engine.

You cannot travel a mile on that day.

You cannot ride a horse on that day, since animals are to rest, also.

You are to stone others who do not keep it properly.

Secondly, it is the sign of an "obsolete" (Hebrews 8:13) covenant.

It was but a shadow of the Messiah.

No man is to judge us in Sabbath keeping in the New Covenant.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


He is the Sabbath.

If He is in you, every day is the Sabbath.

He is our Sabbath rest.

The manna given in the wilderness was also a shadow of Him.

Joh 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Joh 6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

Joh 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

Joh 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

Joh 6:58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

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[tall73]

Wrong question. The right question is, "Why did the summary list not include
the most important part given just before?"

21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

A. No I asked the question I wanted to ask. I am trying to see why some talk as though Paul was not inspired, or the Acts council had nothing to do with God.

B. Vs. 21 has been interpreted a number of ways. You may want to spell out how you interpret it. However, it was not included in the letter sent to the churches. So it was not the most important part.

In Acts 21 we see confirmed that the Jewish believers in Jerusalem went right on keeping the entire law, including sacrifices. And they were concerned with rumors, which they regarded as false, that Paul was turning Jews in the diaspora away from circumcision and from Moses. But they were not concerned about the gentiles in this regard and simply re-iterated the same requirements.

 

[1John2:4]

There are contradictions found in the three versions of the Ten Commandments contained in the Bible (Exodus 34:1-28, Exodus 20:1-17, Deuteronomy 5:1-21). How can all three versions be true if they are not the same? Exodus 34, the oldest version at about 950 BC, is from the pen of the “J” or Jahwist writer and is not one of which many have ever heard. The final commandment in this earliest version reads “You shall not boil a kid in its mother’s milk.” Why, we are led to wonder, was this original set of Ten Commandments rejected or replaced? The second version Exodus 20, from about 850 BC, was from the pen of the “E” or Elohist writer, but was greatly expanded about 560 BC by a group of people called the “P” or priestly writers. Did these writers, who added so much to the entire body of the Jewish Scriptures, do so because they judged the original version to be so woefully inadequate that it required major additions and editing? Does one alter or tamper with what one believes to be “The Word of God?” The third version, Deuteronomy 5 in about 625 BC, was from the pen of the “D” or Deuteronomic writers composed somewhere between the original writing of Exodus 20 and the expansion done on that same text some 400 or so years later. For example, the version in Deuteronomy did not offer as the reason the Sabbath must be observed the fact that God rested on the Sabbath, for the version of that seven day creation story had not yet been written. So this author states that the Sabbath is to be observed because the people of Israel must remember that they were once slaves in Egypt and even slaves must have a day of rest. Which of these versions of the Ten Commandments, we might ask, can qualify as “The Word of God?”

Thank you very much for your reply. This is very interesting information, however how do they contradict? He is the same God in both passages Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5 just because He does include that portion does not make it contradict.

 

[1John2:4]

The first question would be... "Are you really keeping the Sinai Sabbath?".

You are not to kindle a fire, therefore you cannot drive a vehicle because it uses an internal combustion engine.

You cannot travel a mile on that day.

You cannot ride a horse on that day, since animals are to rest, also.

You are to stone others who do not keep it properly.

Secondly, it is the sign of an "obsolete" (Hebrews 8:13) covenant.

It was but a shadow of the Messiah.

No man is to judge us in Sabbath keeping in the New Covenant.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


He is the Sabbath.

If He is in you, every day is the Sabbath.

He is our Sabbath rest.

The manna given in the wilderness was also a shadow of Him.

Joh 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Joh 6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

Joh 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

Joh 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

Joh 6:58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

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The question I asked is what is so wrong with keeping the Sabbath, I did not ask how legalistic I could make the Sabbath, I keep it the way the Bible asks me to, and I don't have a horse . Why would you not want to keep the Sabbath? Does it cut into your busy schedule? Are you too busy shopping, kids sports, NetFlix binge for the Creator of the Entire Universe? He asks His children, to take the His holy day off work and remember Him? Getting everything done so you can spend the day with Him on His Holy day, its absolutely amazing. If you want to miss out on that blessing, it is completely up to you. I am just someone on the internet, I am not going to lord over you, we all have a choice to keep or not keep His commandments, I choose life. Sorry if I am harsh, I just don't understand why people are so against this commandment.
Shalom

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Get yourself familiar with the rules of this forum. (don't get personal)

It's not at all about being personal , per se.
The point which you and most people seem to miss,
is do parents teach their children or not ?

 

[BABerean2]

Why would you not want to keep the Sabbath?

I cannot help but keep the Sabbath, but I keep the Body instead of the shadow. (Colossians 2:16-17)

The Sabbath is in me every day of the week.

He is in me and I am in Him.

Php 3:2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.
Php 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
Php 3:4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
Php 3:5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
Php 3:6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
Php 3:7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
Php 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
Php 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Php 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
Php 3:11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
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[yeshuaslavejeff]

The question I asked is what is so wrong with keeping the Sabbath

The exact same thing for you as is so wrong if you (don't) kill someone, or (don't) commit adultery today.

 

[Dkh587]

The question I asked is what is so wrong with keeping the Sabbath, I did not ask how legalistic I could make the Sabbath, I keep it the way the Bible asks me to, and I don't have a horse . Why would you not want to keep the Sabbath? Does it cut into your busy schedule? Are you too busy shopping, kids sports, NetFlix binge for the Creator of the Entire Universe? He asks His children, to take the His holy day off work and remember Him? Getting everything done so you can spend the day with Him on His Holy day, its absolutely amazing. If you want to miss out on that blessing, it is completely up to you. I am just someone on the internet, I am not going to lord over you, we all have a choice to keep or not keep His commandments, I choose life. Sorry if I am harsh, I just don't understand why people are so against this commandment.
Shalom

People here are more concerned with keeping their man-made traditions & doctrines than they are keeping God's commandments, unfortunately

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

People here are more concerned with keeping their man-made traditions & doctrines than they are keeping God's commandments, unfortunately

Well, that is expected, isn't it?
Think of all the family and friends and support anyone loses/ or/ would lose
if they gave up man-made traditions alone !
To them it is obviously not worth it (or they don't see it yet), right ?

 

[1John2:4]

I cannot help but keep the Sabbath, but I keep the Body instead of the shadow. (Colossians 2:16-17)

The Sabbath is in me every day of the week.

He is in me and I am in Him.

Php 3:2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.
Php 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
Php 3:4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
Php 3:5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
Php 3:6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
Php 3:7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
Php 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
Php 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Php 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
Php 3:11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
.

You still have not answered my question. What is wrong with the Sabbath? Can you take off from your work everyday to worship God? It's one of His commandments don't you love Him? He said if you love me keep my commandments.

 

[1John2:4]

People here are more concerned with keeping their man-made traditions & doctrines than they are keeping God's commandments, unfortunately

It makes me so sad for them, they are missing out, btw Shabbat Shalom!!!!