Understanding Spiritual Fornication

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Are you denying that Christians can be unfaithful to Christ? That is what spiritual fornication is.

Also whatever the leaders of all the nations have engaged in for centuries -
they weren't Christian nor believers ever(most of them),
yet they got in bed with the enemy of Christ -
as it is written in revelation - the enemy caused all the nations to commit fornication ....... deceitful, deceptive, deadly for multitudes......

 

[W2L]

Also whatever the leaders of all the nations have engaged in for centuries -
they weren't Christian nor believers ever(most of them),
yet they got in bed with the enemy of Christ -
as it is written in revelation - the enemy caused all the nations to commit fornication ....... deceitful, deceptive, deadly for multitudes......

I see spiritual fornication in scripture, as you do. However, even if a person didn't see it so clearly, there are other ways to show how politics are wrong. Its an open shut case as far as I can see.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I see spiritual fornication in scripture, as you do. However, even if a person didn't see it so clearly, there are other ways to show how politics are wrong. Its an open shut case as far as I can see.

Yes, clearly so.
Not counting fornication, or all the wicked evils of politics today,
there is the
simple Word Truth - "Whatever is born(originates) of the flesh, is flesh, and profits nothing" as well as "Love NOT the world, nor the things of the world" - this is critical and vital not to ignore, since many so-called Christians REFUSE to obey and instead do the opposite - they practice and encourage sin in loving the world and the ways of the world and the things of the world,
instead
of Loving Yhwh and Honoring His Word.

 

[tatteredsoul]

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[W2L]

I bet if somehow there was a collective consciousness to secretly not vote for the entirety of a country, peoe would be surprised to see how, somehow, an elect was elected anyway...

I agree, politics is rigged for division. There is no left or right; dig deep enough and you will see all politicians are buddies working for the same goal regardless of partisan affiliation. Same stuff, different age.

I agree. I believe the world leaders, even us as well, are controlled by the spirit of the world, which is a real thing. The only way to escape it is to be separate from it altogether, and to follow Christ alone and no man.

Just look at politics. What a dark and ugly thing. I see no loveliness or hope in it, its just ugly and contentious.

 

[dqhall]

One definition of fornication is pre-marital sex or an extra-marital sexual affair.

A prostitute was one who compromised ethical behavior for money. There are others who ignored good ethics for money.

Politicians have been making more promises than they can keep and borrowing more money than they can pay back for many years. The national debt rose trillions under Bush. The national debt rose trillions more under Obama. Different political parties, same old song. They will not be able to repay. They do have access to ways to print more money. A Hershey bar cost 5 cents in 1966. It is hard to find one for under 85 cents anymore.

Forgive us our debts/trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us or owe money to us (Lord's Prayer). One should not lend more than what one can afford to lose. Money may seem safe in a bank vault, but inflation diminishes its value. Health is probably more important than money; the way healthcare costs have risen. God is more important than money, in as much as money cannot provide guidance.

 

[W2L]

One definition of fornication is pre-marital sex or an extra-marital sexual affair.

A prostitute was one who compromised ethical behavior for money. There are others who ignored good ethics for money.

Politicians have been making more promises than they can keep and borrowing more money than they can pay back for many years. The national debt rose trillions under Bush. The national debt rose trillions more under Obama. Different political parties, same old song. They will not be able to repay. They do have access to ways to print more money. A Hershey bar cost 5 cents in 1966. It is hard to find one for under 85 cents anymore.

Forgive us our debts/trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us or owe money to us (Lord's Prayer). One should not lend more than what one can afford to lose. Money may seem safe in a bank vault, but inflation diminishes its value. Health is probably more important than money; the way healthcare costs have risen. God is more important than money, in as much as money cannot provide guidance.

As the Lord said, don't store treasure on earth where rust and moths destroy it, and robbers break in and steal it, but store it in heaven instead.

 

[tatteredsoul]

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[myarogancewasblottedout]

Consider The great providential wisdom of God consulting with God, concerning Adam's one prohibition outside of complete freedom. Do not eat the knowledge of good and evil.
If adam chose to make his own law, concerning that law, he would need to make laws for his life outside of Garden of Eden where Adam walked with God. Anyone who has yeilded their 'soul's heart and reins' to God Jesus knows what it is to walk with God.
So Adam knew what laws to make concerning (protecting/promoting) what was good, (preventing/removing) what was evil.
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That's why at the start of civilisation after Babel's (global) towers, Moses gave the 10 commandments.
That's why at the start of democracy's global reach? Christ stopped the courts of the laws, instigating forgiveness for the past, and righteousness for the future(10 commandments), and His presence with individual's walking pilgrimage in life. (rather than the communal temple).
By the century Europe had capitulated the Hermits into well organised (and grand) monastaries, Muhammed was given the last religion, the bondwoman of Galatians 3.

You'll notice the politicians in america getting ready to make more refugees around the world, and persecute mexicans. Ask any refugee the worth of politics. = answer is "not worth worrying about, just smile and nod and walk away"

 

[myarogancewasblottedout]

Divine Laws place in Creation.
1D = sizes/magnitudes (light has a wavelength). genesis/1-3.htm
a (2D) surface is made of many (1D) lines.
biblehub.com/genesis/1-10.htm (2-dimensionally continuous surface of world)
a (3D) cube is made of many (2D) surfaces.
3D = space/volume genesis/1-12.htm (continuous growth of trees's volume)
a (4D) time-length is made of many (3D) spaces.
alternate (5D) futures for a single moment are made of many 4D time-lengths.
{or a single event has alternate futures(5D)}
biblehub.com/genesis/1-26.htm
{6d may be a moment of alternate futures's(5D) results in another "alternate" moment of alternate futures}
{consider event-A leads to event B. Event-A may lead to Event-C instead. Event-B may lead to Event-D or Event E. Event C may lead to Event F or Event G.
}
All potential possible futures according to freedom of possibility with plans.
}
6D is how Lord moves heaven and earth from from one alternate reality to reality.
To pick preferable (6D) futures out of all possible futures is done by divine 10 commandment laws (7D) at the start of civilisation.
Divine laws make a Collage of possible timelines. Jesus is the Holy Bible. Jesus judges the soul by "searching the heart and reins".
(Consider
Calculus uses these dimensions in biblehub.com/genesis/1.htm ,
but Calculus ignores 1/infinity against classic logic.
any christian can tell you the importance 1 and infinity.
The way to 'visualize' 1/infinity is to measure the distance between two infitesimally distant points, the distance being a single point and a range. You can see this as the pointed apex of greek Ά Ω alpha and omega Jesus is alpha and Omega.

 

[W2L]

Neither political party is telling the whole truth, but its a game of lies. Neither are preaching love, and its a game of hate. They do not gather the body together but divide it instead. They do not teach us how to follow Christ but instead how to follow the world. Perhaps I am seen as an extremist, but thats ok. I was a republican for most of my life except the last 7 years when I began to take the scriptures to heart. Before that, when I was a political Christin, I saw corruption of the liberal media and its corrupt politicians as well.

When I started to take the scriptures seriously I began to see how all politics divide the body, and cause contention and confusion. I saw that the kingdom is not about an earthly nation, and America is not a Godly nation, and never was. You cant steal land from the Natives/Indians and claim to be godly. I began to also see how unbelievers accuse us over political things that the church was involved in, and I saw how paul said that we do nothing that would discredit the gospel. I gave up politics because I decided it was not spiritual. Politics plays on our fears, our lust, and on our desire to fight against evil, but in the end they only stain the Church and the gospel. I would rather be separate from politics than to stain the gospel and divide the body.

I also saw the its hard to walk in the spirit when we are slandering our leaders and each other over the deceptions of politics. All politics claim to be fighting a noble cause, but in the end they are only dividing the Church and defiling us all.



Psalms 1 Blessed is the one
who does not walk in step with the wicked
or stand in the way that sinners take
or sit in the company of mockers,

2 but whose delight is in the law of the Lord,
and who meditates on his law day and night.

3 That person is like a tree planted by streams of water,
which yields its fruit in season
and whose leaf does not wither—
whatever they do prospers.

 

[Victor E.]

I'm talking about staining our white robes. The Samaritan actually kept his clean in that example.

Stain them so they become dirty and snow white.

 

[W2L]

Stain them so they become dirty and snow white.

We cant slander politicians or other Christians, with the slander that we so often hear in politics, and also keep our garments clean at the same time. Politics divide us and therefore they are carnal. WE are not supposed to be divided like that. We cannot be divided and keep our garments clean at the same tiime. The Lord is our helper, not man. We cannot covet another mans wealth, or worry about where our food and clothing come from, such as in economic politics, we cannot do that and keep our garments clean.

We also cannot say that we just want to help the poor, because to force tax laws onto others is no different than forcing tithing laws as well. If we don't force the Church to give we cannot force the tax payers to give either, because this is hypocrisy.

We also cannot stand in the way if the government funds social programs because that is not helping the poor. We cannot demand politicians cut welfare programs, that's not helping the poor.

We cannot be political Christians, it just doesn't work. God commanded us to be separate from the world, not to be part of it. I see much wisdom in that command now.

 

[Victor E.]

We cant slander politicians or other Christians, with the slander that we so often hear in politics, and also keep our garments clean at the same time. Politics divide us and therefore they are carnal. WE are not supposed to be divided like that. We cannot be divided and keep our garments clean at the same tiime. The Lord is our helper, not man. We cannot covet another mans wealth, or worry about where our food and clothing come from, such as in economic politics, we cannot do that and keep our garments clean.

We also cannot say that we just want to help the poor, because to force tax laws onto others is no different than forcing tithing laws as well. If we don't force the Church to give we cannot force the tax payers to give either, because this is hypocrisy.

We also cannot stand in the way if the government funds social programs because that is not helping the poor. We cannot demand politicians cut welfare programs, that's not helping the poor.

We cannot be political Christians, it just doesn't work. God commanded us to be separate from the world, not to be part of it. I see much wisdom in that command now.

I think you misunderstood those words. I was not encouraging lawlessness but encouraging love instead.

Matthew 11:28-30

Galatians 5:1-6

 

[W2L]

If we quote politicians, and preach their rhetoric, its no different than quoting a false teacher and preaching their doctrine.

Surely you can see that our words matter. LIfe and death are in our words, Do we really want to follow politicians? Are any of them actually teaching us to seek the kingdom, and to put away division?

No. "Politics as usual" could never tolerate unity. That would never stand. THey must divide us, because that's how politics work.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The Lord is our helper, not man.

from the expanded greek translation or word study (paraphrased) :
Yeshua Messiah will never, never, never forsake nor abandon those who have cast their lives upon Him to always without end serve Him unselfishly and with no thought of self, fully and completely and with no other gods trusting Yeshua for His complete and eternal salvation in this world and the next,
relying entirely upon and depending on (completely in JOYOUS WILLINGNESS) His care and nourishment and protection and support and growth forever and ever, eternally without end. amein.

 

[W2L]

I think you misunderstood those words. I was not encouraging lawlessness but encouraging love instead.

Matthew 11:28-30

Galatians 5:1-6

I wasn't sure what you meant exactly, and I suspected you were not encouraging lawlessness though. I just wanted to comment. Sorry if I seemed to misrepresent your words, I wasn't intending that.

 

[W2L]

from the expanded greek translation or word study (paraphrased) :
Yeshua Messiah will never, never, never forsake nor abandon those who have cast their lives upon Him to always without end serve Him unselfishly and with no thought of self, fully and completely and with no other gods trusting Yeshua for His complete and eternal salvation in this world and the next,
relying entirely upon and depending on (completely in JOYOUS WILLINGNESS) His care and nourishment and protection and support and growth forever and ever, eternally without end. amein.

Amen, also paul gave us a good example to follow. He said that he learned to be content whether suffering need or having abundance. He said that Gods grace was made perfect in weakness. He said that the power of Christ would rest on him through the hardships of life. That is being faithful to Christ. That example is for us all. We don't need to be Apostles or miracle workers either, because the power of Christ is grace, its Gods love. I believe this is the power that Paul spoke of. We can see this in Romans 5 , when paul said we glory in our sufferings. We all suffer in life, both believers and unbelievers. We however have Christ who helps us, by empowering our spirit with Gods grace, and pours out Gods love.

We wont be hearing any politician preach those words, because a politician draws people to themselves, not to Christ.


Romans 5New International Version (NIV)

Peace and Hope

5 Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we[a] have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we boast in the hope of the glory of God. 3 Not only so, but we[c] also glory in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; 4 perseverance, character; and character, hope. 5 And hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us.

6 You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. 7 Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die. 8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

9 Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him! 10 For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! 11 Not only is this so, but we also boast in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

6 You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. 7 Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die. 8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

THE GOSPEL ! AMEIN ! HALLELUYAH !

Always Pray For The Peace of Jerusalem ! Amein.

 

[W2L]

THE GOSPEL ! AMEIN ! HALLELUYAH !

Always Pray For The Peace of Jerusalem ! Amein.

I pray for peace everywhere.