Understanding Spiritual Fornication

[tatteredsoul]

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[seeking.IAM]

... It is a topic specifically mentioned in the OT and NT; God Himself divorced us for spiritual fornication, and this is a HUGE deal that can give insight on this thread...

Please offer scriptural references for your topic.

 

[W2L]

Please offer scriptural references for your topic.

Maybe the OP wants to start the ball rolling with opinions. What is your understanding of spiritual fornication?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Maybe the OP wants to start the ball rolling with opinions. What is your understanding of spiritual fornication?

The nations have all committed fornication with the enemy of Christ already, for many centuries.
They will not understand it, nor accept it.
Most will not understand it, nor accept it, because their faith has not been in Yhwh alone, but in the prostitute / deceiver/ politics of the world system.

This has been known for centuries, and was revealed by Yhwh to many in the last several centuries.
It is still denied by most, as most (including me growing up) have been taught lies and teach lies
instead of seeking Yhwh's Kingdom and Truth in Jesus, by faith and grace as Yhwh permits and instructs.

 

[tatteredsoul]

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[W2L]

The nations have all committed fornication with the enemy of Christ already, for many centuries.
They will not understand it, nor accept it.
Most will not understand it, nor accept it, because their faith has not been in Yhwh alone, but in the prostitute / deceiver/ politics of the world system.

This has been known for centuries, and was revealed by Yhwh to many in the last several centuries.
It is still denied by most, as most (including me growing up) have been taught lies and teach lies
instead of seeking Yhwh's Kingdom and Truth in Jesus, by faith and grace as Yhwh permits and instructs.

I believe politics are spiritual fornication. We see in 1 Co 6 that seeking human courts is not appropriate for the Church, therefore surely politics would also be inappropriate. Politicians divide us as well and that is not being faithful to Christ, because we are supposed to be united in one voice and one Judgment, glorifying God with thanksgiving and praise. However politics only divide us. Also, we are to let our conduct be without covetousness, and to take no thought for our life but instead to put our faith in the Lord in all things, and help each other as well. Politics do not fulfil that obligation. We cannot boldly say that the Lord is our helper if we are seeking economic help from politicians. A person will flee from a false teacher but will follow a politician, although they divide us, and although their interest is in worldly matters and not the kingdom. I cannot see how politics are anything but unspiritual.

 

[Albion]

What are thoughts on this topic, and why or why isn't it taught more often in the Church?

because it's a mistaken notion. The church has always been mindful of the Scriptural admonition that we are to be IN THE WORLD but not OF the world. Your theory would have us be neither.

 

[W2L]

because it's a mistaken notion. The church has always been mindful of the Scriptural admonition that we are to be IN THE WORLD but not OF the world. Your theory would have us be neither.

How are we not of the world if we seek the counsel and ruling of human courts? This isn't appropriate according to 1 Co 6. So how is politics appropriate then? Also, if it divides us how is that not being in the world? We are holy, why then are divided over worldly matters?

 

[Albion]

How are we not of the world if we seek the counsel and ruling of human courts?

For one thing, that is but one small part of what "government" is all about. And for another, the scriptural reference you were pointing us to was concerned with a single issue--Christian believers ought to resolve differences within the church rather than suing each other in court, etc. That's a principle that is a far cry from the Amish-like approach you were advocating.

 

[W2L]

For one thing, that is but one small part of what "government" is all about. And for another, the scriptural reference you were pointing us to was concerned with a single issue--Christian believers ought to resolve differences within the church rather than suing each other in court, etc. That's a principle that is a far cry from the Amish-like approach you were advocating.

I don't believe so. We are fighting over disputes and we are seeking our respective politicians to resolve them. Not to mention, its more than that. Are you saying its ok to be divided over worldly matters? Are you saying its ok to flee from a false teacher but ok to follow a politician? These politicians do teach us. They teach us about their "version" of truth and teach us how to act as well. They slander each other and we follow suit. We slander them and each other too. Is that ok? What ever happened to the Lord is my helper, I shall not want? The Lord is my helper, what can man do to me? What ever happened to seek the kingdom and be separate from the world? We are not separate if we act like them, talk like them, and seek mans help instead of God alone.

 

[W2L]

Look at Christians, they rally for death penalties although God says that mercy is better than judgment. They also forget that its not the churches business to judge the outside world. That's Gods job. Paul said it himself.

Are you sure politics are a godly endeavor?

 

[Albion]

I don't believe so. We are fighting over disputes and we are seeking our respective politicians to resolve them. Not to mention, its more than that. Are you saying its ok to be divided over worldly matters? .

Worldly affairs? You talk as though politics is totally about casino gambling or aggressive warmaking.

Right to life, freedom of religion, your right to own what you've earned by honest labor, a penal system, and a dozen other very moral issues are up for consideration one way or the other--with the decision being imposed upon believers by the State. Christians do indeed have a stake in that.

Of course, for them to put politics above or in place of spiritual matters is something that I think all of us should be against, but that isn't something that automatically happens merely because the churches and people play their part in the nation's affairs.

 

[Albion]

Look at Christians, they rally for death penalties although God says that mercy is better than judgment.

The individual ought to be merciful when he personally is wronged. That's not what you're talking about with this example.

Are you sure politics are a godly endeavor?

It is fraught with dangers because many people who are ungodly are interested in using government to control other people. But this does not mean that the Godly people have to give them a free hand to do that.

 

[W2L]

Worldly affairs? You talk as though politics is totally about casino gambling or aggressive warmaking.

Right to life, freedom of religion, your right to own what you've earned by honest labor, a penal system, and a dozen other very moral issues are up for consideration one way or the other--with the decision being imposed upon believers by the State. Christians do indeed have a stake in that.

Of course, for them to put politics above or in place of spiritual matters is something that I think all of us should be against, but that isn't something that automatically happens merely because the churches and people play their part in the nation's affairs.

Those issues never get resolves either. Have you noticed that? We cannot turn America into a Godly nation. Its not our business to run the world. We are instead supposed to be separate from it. It will stain us, and the gospel as well. YOu make it sound so Nobel but its not. Its just us following false teachers AKA politicians, who lead us into contention, division, slander, covetousness, and hate. We are not supposed to rule the affairs of this life but only the church, and nothing more. If we try to rule the world we will only be ruled by it instead. The Church did well in its early years without democracy. Democracy is actually is harlot, and she calls all of us from her door.

Proverbs 9New International Version (NIV)

Invitations of Wisdom and Folly


9 Wisdom has built her house;
she has set up[a] its seven pillars.

2 She has prepared her meat and mixed her wine;
she has also set her table.

3 She has sent out her servants, and she calls
from the highest point of the city,

4 “Let all who are simple come to my house!”
To those who have no sense she says,

5 “Come, eat my food
and drink the wine I have mixed.

6 Leave your simple ways and you will live;
walk in the way of insight.”


7 Whoever corrects a mocker invites insults;
whoever rebukes the wicked incurs abuse.

8 Do not rebuke mockers or they will hate you;
rebuke the wise and they will love you.

9 Instruct the wise and they will be wiser still;
teach the righteous and they will add to their learning.


10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom,
and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.

11 For through wisdom your days will be many,
and years will be added to your life.

12 If you are wise, your wisdom will reward you;
if you are a mocker, you alone will suffer.

 

[W2L]

The individual ought to be merciful when he personally is wronged. That's not what you're talking about with this example.


It is fraught with dangers because many people who are ungodly are interested in using government to control other people. But this does not mean that the Godly people have to give them a free hand to do that.

Voting for a politician who will impose a death penalty is just the same as stoning the person yourself. The Jews Cried out to the Roman heads of state "Crucify Him!". I don't want to follow their same path of folly.

God never commanded us to rule the unbelievers but instead to be separate from them. You make it sound Nobel just as the politicians also do, but in the end it only stains us, and the gospel. It divides us as well.

 

[Kenny'sID]

How are we not of the world if we seek the counsel and ruling of human courts?

What if the world, for instance breaks a contract with you? The scripture, as mentioned, is concerning your Christian brothers, and not ending up in court with them. And in a perfect Christian world they won't, but still, it could happen, and I seriously doubt that's a big problem with God, beats the heck out of settling things it in a worse way.

Sometimes there are legit disagreements that are best handled in court.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Voting for a politician who will impose a death penalty is just the same as stoning the person yourself. The Jews Cried out to the Roman heads of state "Crucify Him!". I don't want to follow their same path of folly.

That's because some people don't mind being seen as someone that would stone them themselves.

See what you just did there...you likened stoning Jesus to putting hardened criminals to death.

Take a good look at that and see how you are generally a bit fanatical about this whole thing as you take things way too far.

 

[W2L]

What if the world, for instance breaks a contract with you? The scripture, as mentioned, is concerning your Christian brothers, and not ending up in court with them. And in a perfect Christian world they won't, but still, it could happen, and I seriously doubt that's a big problem with God, beats the heck out of settling things it in a worse way.

Sometimes there are legit disagreements that are best handled in court.

See? You are directly contradicting scripture. That's what the worldly Church and their politicians do to us. They lead us astray. I once went that way too, but the scriptures opened my eyes. THe whole doctrine of Christ teaches us to allow ourselves to be defrauded, and to put matters in Gods hands. We are suppose to forgive those who do us wrong and do good for those who use us. What you have just said contradicts many scriptures from both Christ and Paul. It contradicts the kingdom of Christ itself.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Sometimes there are legit disagreements that are best handled in court.

1 Corinthians 6:7 ►
The very fact that you have lawsuits among you means you have been completely defeated already. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be cheated?

Hebrews 11:25 He chose to be mistreated along with the people of ...
biblehub.com/hebrews/11-25.htm
He chose to suffer with God's people rather than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a little while. ..

 

[Albion]

Voting for a politician who will impose a death penalty is just the same as stoning the person yourself.

Well, "politicians" don't impose the death penalty. The death penalty is merely made available (in exceptionally rare cases) by politicians who enact laws that permit it.