So, Catholics, are we ready to make America great again!?

[AvilaSurfer]

People learn and do better, otherwise we'd all be in trouble. Plus she's concerned about the bigger threat of climate change.

We've seen 30 years of her "learning and doing better." She's still the same lying, dishonest scumbag she's always been. So if that's what you want leading the country, fine, vote for her. I wouldn't vote for her with a gun to my head. And I sure hope she changes the climate if she wins. Presidents can do that right ?

 

[Antigone]

I've said it a hundred times. I don't like Trump. But Billary is the most disgusting thing to walk the earth. And I refuse to stay home, or throw my vote away on some 3rd party that has no chance. I'll be voting Trump. Besides, he's a true outsider.

The most disgusting thing to walk the earth? Really? It must be nice to live in a world where Hillary Clinton is the worst thing that can happen to you.

He's not going to make America great again, he's going to make it america again and if you are anti America, Continental is ready when you are. I hear the Netherlands are awesome. Take your rear end on over there.

Thank you.

We're doing okay.

We're happy.

It's gonna be a short stay in the Netherlands then, in early 2017 there will be an general election in there and Geert Wilders' PVV is polling around 35%, which means it's set to become the largest party by far.

Not automatically. We have a coalition government, meaning if 65% of all votes don't go to the PVV, 65% of parliament can (and probably will) form a broad coalition government. Wilders will let them do so.

Just to let you know where things are at, the reigning right-wing party, last time around, preferred to form a coalition with the labour party rather than with the PVV. Why? Because they are instable.

The worst thing that could happen to the PVV is getting in government, because this would mean actually having to put their money where their mouth is. As it stands, they can shout about what the government is doing from the sidelines.

I'm fine with the PVV getting into the government because they'll crash and burn and we'll be done with them until the next populist pops up, but as a Dutchwoman, it's unlikely (though not impossible).

 

[Stabat Mater dolorosa]

And I sure hope she changes the climate if she wins. Presidents can do that right ?

Only US presidents...

 

[Godlovesmetwo]

If you want my very humble opinion, that Hillary lady looks a better choice than Mr Chump. Just my Aussie 2 cents worth.

 

[WarriorAngel]

Thanks bettercallpaul.
Everyone has an opinion...based solely on what they are led to know.

 

[Stabat Mater dolorosa]

Thanks bettercallpaul.
Everyone has an opinion...based solely on what they are led to know.

I get a lot of ridicule for being norwegian and pro Trump so swimming up river isn't the most joyful thing to do.

 

[Imperiuz]

I actually preferred Cruz until he started blaming the far-left violence against Trump rallies on Trump. He seemed like the most trustworthy social conservative, but his behaviour in the last months has been quite disappointing.

The person who lives in the White House affects not just America but all of the world. We need to have a conservative there, if only because having the leader of something so hated by the mainstream media as American conservatism as the leader of the free world has a big symbolic effect on the rest of the world. It steers the rest of us into that direction as well. That was the case when Reagan was President - not so long after that, here in Sweden the worst excesses of socialism disappeared forever as well, and taxes where cut quite a bit.

The good in this world is counting on you guys.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

I actually preferred Cruz until he started blaming the far-left violence against Trump rallies on Trump. He seemed like the most trustworthy social conservative, but his behaviour in the last months has been quite disappointing.

The person who lives in the White House affects not just America but all of the world. We need to have a conservative there, if only because having the leader of something so hated by the mainstream media as American conservatism as the leader of the free world has a big symbolic effect on the rest of the world. It steers the rest of us into that direction as well. That was the case when Reagan was President - not so long after that, here in Sweden the worst excesses of socialism disappeared forever as well, and taxes where cut quite a bit.

The good in this world is counting on you guys.

I agree. Obama becoming the president of the United States shifted America and the world to the left because the body follows the head. So we need a conservative POTUS to bring the world back to Christian morals and sanity.

 

[Imperiuz]

Not automatically. We have a coalition government, meaning if 65% of all votes don't go to the PVV, 65% of parliament can (and probably will) form a broad coalition government. Wilders will let them do so.

Just to let you know where things are at, the reigning right-wing party, last time around, preferred to form a coalition with the labour party rather than with the PVV. Why? Because they are instable.

The worst thing that could happen to the PVV is getting in government, because this would mean actually having to put their money where their mouth is. As it stands, they can shout about what the government is doing from the sidelines.

I'm fine with the PVV getting into the government because they'll crash and burn and we'll be done with them until the next populist pops up, but as a Dutchwoman, it's unlikely (though not impossible).

I actually kind of get it: that's kind of the curse of populist conservative parties, when they get into the government they have a hard time criticising the establishment any longer. That's why the Danish People's Party for example has chose to not participate in their government despite being the biggest right-wing party, choosing to become a "supporting party" (whatever that's called in English) of their liberal-conservative government instead. The equivalents in Finland and Norway have chosen to be in the government and gone down in the polls instead.

Whatever. Hope Geert can talk with the rest of the Dutch right and come up with some solution. I actually have more trust in the PVV than in, say, the FN, because Geert doesn't have Le Pen Sr:s or Bruno Gollnisches running around and causing trouble for no good reason at all. Parties like those need a strong leadership to not be eaten by their own trolls. The SD excluded the entire youth organization for that reason. Trump may want to think about that as well.

 

[Genersis]

I'm generally supportive of Stein, but I'd vote Clinton. Not worth splitting the vote in such a close election with such a poor Republican candidate.(unless I lived in a solidly Democrat voting State)

With the direction politics is going, with both major parties falling out of favour to differing extents among their own voter bases, and increase in support for third parties, I wonder how long it will be before an errant result is returned in a presidential election.

*sigh*
I wonder if electoral reform will be an issue in the near future...

 

[Stabat Mater dolorosa]

I agree. Obama becoming the president of the United States shifted America and the world to the left because the body follows the head. So we need a conservative POTUS to bring the world back to Christian morals and sanity.

Well right or left both has its own fall pits.
I'm a member of the Norwegian labour party (AP) myself and they're probably best described as slightly red.
The welfare system in Norway is the best in the world and I'm more than pleased to pay for it through heavy taxes.

The ugly backside of socialism is that it's pro choice and liberty which crashes with my catholic faith in other areas.

The right wing parties tends to ignore poor people and stick to a mindset that gives the poor man all the blame for his own situation.
Like if you get cancer then pay for your own treatment or die...

Of the two wings I'm leaning to centrum/ left hence Ap in Norway.
In the US however things looks alot different with the Obama administrations persecution of Christians that I cannot support.

 

[Stabat Mater dolorosa]

I actually preferred Cruz until he started blaming the far-left violence against Trump rallies on Trump. He seemed like the most trustworthy social conservative, but his behaviour in the last months has been quite disappointing.

The person who lives in the White House affects not just America but all of the world. We need to have a conservative there, if only because having the leader of something so hated by the mainstream media as American conservatism as the leader of the free world has a big symbolic effect on the rest of the world. It steers the rest of us into that direction as well. That was the case when Reagan was President - not so long after that, here in Sweden the worst excesses of socialism disappeared forever as well, and taxes where cut quite a bit.

The good in this world is counting on you guys.

I liked Bush...
To bad he got swiped by Trump early on.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Well right or left both has its own fall pits.
I'm a member of the Norwegian labour party (AP) myself and they're probably best described as slightly red.
The welfare system in Norway is the best in the world and I'm more than pleased to pay for it through heavy taxes.

The ugly backside of socialism is that it's pro choice and liberty which crashes with my catholic faith in other areas.

The right wing parties tends to ignore poor people and stick to a mindset that gives the poor man all the blame for his own situation.
Like if you get cancer then pay for your own treatment or die...

Of the two wings I'm leaning to centrum/ left hence Ap in Norway.
In the US however things looks alot different with the Obama administrations persecution of Christians that I cannot support.

In the United States, the left talks a lot about being for the poor. But it's almost all talk. In reality, the poor get poorer, and more get added to the poor when liberals are in charge.

 

[MoonlessNight]

I actually preferred Cruz until he started blaming the far-left violence against Trump rallies on Trump. He seemed like the most trustworthy social conservative, but his behaviour in the last months has been quite disappointing.

This is exactly how I felt about Cruz. When he said that violence against Trump supporters had its roots in Trump's rhetoric, I knew that he was willing to ally with any ideology or group if it furthered his chances of election.

If I hadn't lost respect for him then, I would have lost it when he gloated about the Colorado primary results, where he won without a single vote being cast, and where he seemed completely oblivious to the fact that people were upset that it did not reflect the will of the people in that state. His line was basically that it was within the rules, so who cares what the voters think, and he seemed genuinely surprised that anyone would take issue with that attitude.

I suspect that he genuinely believes that he is the only proper choice for president, perhaps even the choice of God Himself, and as such any action that he takes to further his chances of election are justified. His father's sermons on his dominionist beliefs help confirm these suspicions.

 

[Stabat Mater dolorosa]

In the United States, the left talks a lot about being for the poor. But it's almost all talk. In reality, the poor get poorer, and more get added to the poor when liberals are in charge.

Obama care proves you wrong doesn't it?
Another positive side of the Obama administration is the economical growth and the decreasing number of people on benefits.
The economy when GWB left office were best described as dreadful.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Obama care proves you wrong doesn't it?

The so-called "Affordable Care Act" (aka "Obamacare") is only affordable to people on welfare. It's expensive for everyone else. The American public was "Grubered" (deceived) about it. And it's tainted with the HHS mandate which our US bishops have been protesting against. Here are some videos about how the American public got "Grubered" with Obamacare:

Also:
'Daily Show' Notices Gruber Scandal Before 'NBC Nightly News'

 

[Imperiuz]

Well right or left both has its own fall pits.
I'm a member of the Norwegian labour party (AP) myself and they're probably best described as slightly red.
The welfare system in Norway is the best in the world and I'm more than pleased to pay for it through heavy taxes.

The ugly backside of socialism is that it's pro choice and liberty which crashes with my catholic faith in other areas.

The right wing parties tends to ignore poor people and stick to a mindset that gives the poor man all the blame for his own situation.
Like if you get cancer then pay for your own treatment or die...

Of the two wings I'm leaning to centrum/ left hence Ap in Norway.
In the US however things looks alot different with the Obama administrations persecution of Christians that I cannot support.

Gaaaahhhh... social democrats? Come on man. You think they are going to bring Norway closer to traditional Christian Europe?

I don't know what FrP's stance is on that, but in Sweden SD is the only party that wants to impose restrictions on abortion (and is tolerant of true pro-lifers, many who sit in the parliament) so I feel confident in that being catholic and a member of the party is the right thing to do. Maybe there are more conservative FrP'ers like Hagen who can take over the party after they've done a bad job in the government?

Of course you should have your cancer treatment. Not even in America they deny people emergency treatment even if the leftists would make you think otherwise. But there are also drawbacks.. for example, do you know how long the queue to see a public psychologist here in Sweden is? 36 months. Welfare states are good at making people dependent on bad services and preventing them from working so they can pay for a better service. On top of that: the welfare state, which we both to some extent believe in, is an outgrowth of the nation state as is democracy. They depend on people feeling a natural solidarity and a sense of community with each other. You can't vote for people who support multiculturalism if you want a functioning welfare state. You can't have a welfare state and open borders - this is exactly what Trump has realized in America.

It's entirely possible to be social conservative, fiscally left-wing if you want to by the way. Just look at the Danish People's Party. Totally impossible to explain to Americans: they've got influential fundamentalist Lutheran ideologues in their ranks who are openly against the Enlightenment, but they are still kinda social democrats economically and proud of that. The nation state and the welfare state goes hand in hand.

 

[seekingfreedom]

Obama care proves you wrong doesn't it?
Another positive side of the Obama administration is the economical growth and the decreasing number of people on benefits.
The economy when GWB left office were best described as dreadful.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015...erty-in-america-that-will-blow-your-mind.html

 

[pdudgeon]

Found a nice website on the subject: http://www.catholics4trump.com/

here's an excellent piece from them about why Catholics should vote for trump:
http://www.catholics4trump.com/about/

 

[pdudgeon]

People learn and do better, otherwise we'd all be in trouble. Plus she's concerned about the bigger threat of climate change.

we will all be in trouble if she's elected.
(she's not too fond of many of the things that Catholics like.)