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[Linet Kihonge]

Me as well. I don't think I'm fearless or a great holy man. I know I would be afraid if my time came. I know also that its harder to speak about faith without a gun in your hand than it is with one. Its harder to speak about courage without a gun as well. I'm just having trouble supporting war and the gospel at the same time. I'm not naïve, and I know that if I support peace in this way that I may just need to walk that walk one day instead of just talking it. Sure its difficult seeing this fear inside myself, but at the end of the day I ask myself, if I truly believe in the Lord then why am I afraid to die? Isnt heaven going to be much better than here?

I know, so what would happen if a loved went down that way, and lived the rest of your life knowing how I lost x or y. Certainly, you have been preaching forgive those who offend you and bless those who persecute you. Trust me, LORD HAVE MERCY.

 

[W2L]

I know, so what would happen if a loved went down that way, and lived the rest of your life knowing how I lost x or y. Certainly, you have been preaching forgive those who offend you and bless those who persecute you. Trust me, LORD HAVE MERCY.

Yes that is what I'm preaching. I'm also knowing that its easy to support war and to kill, sitting at home behind my computer. However those are people I am talking about. I am talking about killing some person who wants to live. I imagine in my mind a family sitting at home, wanting nothing but peace, and I vote to bomb there house and kill them. I don't know what my vote will actually do because I don't trust the politicians. I think its better for me to not support or condemn any war, but to let the world worry about such things. I must pray and follow Christ. None of the apostles waged war. Paul says that our weapons of warfare are not carnal. How then can I vote for war? I must instead let God be in control. That's faith to me. Look at this Priest we are talking about. If we support war then we should support priests carrying firearms as well. Its no different. Should a priest carry a firearm? What did the apostles teach us? I don't have all the answers, but I follow to the best of my understanding.


2 Corinthians 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:

4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds)

5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

 

[chevyontheriver]

How do you get 42% when that question was not asked by Pew?

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/

On 2nd glance, I stand corrected....noting the only place even close to 42 percent are the Palistinian Terrirtories. The vast majority of Muslim Country populations do in fact, reject suicide bombings by overwhelming margins.

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/...s-society-overview/#extremism-widely-rejected

Wow! Any way you slice it that is a LOT of people who think suicide bombing can be often or sometimes justified. And some percentage of those would actually promote it and some percentage of those would actually want to do it and some percentage of those have the means to do it. When you start with a billion Muslims you still end up with multiple thousands who will detonate and multiple millions who will cheer it on.

 

[Linet Kihonge]

Darned if you do, darned if you don't!

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Wow! Any way you slice it that is a LOT of people who think suicide bombing can be often or sometimes justified. And some percentage of those would actually promote it and some percentage of those would actually want to do it and some percentage of those have the means to do it. When you start with a billion Muslims you still end up with multiple thousands who will detonate and multiple millions who will cheer it on.

Yes. That exactly my point. A LOT of Muslims want us dead, not just a tiny fraction.

 

[W2L]

Yes. That exactly my point. A LOT of Muslims want us dead, not just a tiny fraction.

You need not worry about the government protecting this country. THey have far too much invested to let it be left undefended. That's a worldly concern however isn't it? Whats our mission as Christians? That's my question.

 

[Linet Kihonge]

You need not worry about the government protecting this country. THey have far too much invested to let it be left undefended. That's a worldly concern however isn't it? Whats our mission as Christians? That's my question.

Prepare yourself and make sure you have the full armor of God all the time!!!

 

[W2L]

Prepare yourself and make sure you have the full armor of God all the time!!!

What is that armor? I guess that's part of my question. Its something we should evaluate I guess.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

When Jesus spoke of loving one's enemies, it was regarding personal relationships, not government action.

Just as the world had a duty to stop Adolf Hitler, the world has a duty to stop Islam from taking over the world, which is it's intention. By violence and by infiltration, Islam has one goal: world domination.

 

[W2L]

When Jesus spoke of loving one's enemies, it was regarding personal relationships, not government action.

Just as the world had a duty to stop Adolf Hitler, the world has a duty to stop Islam from taking over the world, which is it's intention. By violence and by infiltration, Islam has one goal: world domination.

Exactly. The Lord wasn't establishing an earthly nation but a heavenly one. He said it himself, his kingdom is not of this world. Why then are you trying to establish an earthly nation? Are you not trying to follow the same error that Israel also followed when they rejected the kingdom of Christ?

 

[dqhall]

The MO for Muslim attacks is a small group or lone wolf. This is precisely how they are waging war and making it look as though there is no master plan at the same time.

This seemed to be the case in Nice, France at first. Later they arrested five people alleged to be part of the conspiracy to commit murder by running over a crowd with a truck. The 9-11 attacks used a large organization based in Afghanistan. There are numerous sects in Islam calling for armed Jihad based on teachings from the Koran. There have been mass casualties in Syria, Iraq and Nigeria. ISIS has claimed victims in Europe and the USA.

 

[wing2000]

A Church representing Jesus Christ was attacked. How would Jesus have the Christian Church respond?

When Jesus spoke of loving one's enemies, it was regarding personal relationships, not government action.

Just as the world had a duty to stop Adolf Hitler, the world has a duty to stop Islam from taking over the world, which is it's intention. By violence and by infiltration, Islam has one goal: world domination.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

When Jesus spoke of loving one's enemies, it was regarding personal relationships, not government action.

Just as the world had a duty to stop Adolf Hitler, the world has a duty to stop Islam from taking over the world, which is it's intention. By violence and by infiltration, Islam has one goal: world domination.

Whats that like to be defeated by terrorism? Because that is the impression you give me. Terrorism beat you already.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

A Church representing Jesus Christ was attacked. How would Jesus have the Christian Church respond?

Most likel'y.. pray. Prayer is quite potent. A good example is the vikings. They were violent disgusting heathens also, but how many churches exist in those old viking lands now? They were killing priests and nuns and taking them as slaves for a long time. Maybe Christians are impatient with God's timing when He works. We're so obsessed with our supposedly arrogant idea that God has blessed our nation, funny how faith works, in WW1.. every nation was absolutely certain God was on their side.

 

[RDKirk]

Most likel'y.. pray. Prayer is quite potent. A good example is the vikings. They were violent disgusting heathens also, but how many churches exist in those old viking lands now? They were killing priests and nuns and taking them as slaves for a long time. Maybe Christians are impatient with God's timing when He works. We're so obsessed with our supposedly arrogant idea that God has blessed our nation, funny how faith works, in WW1.. every nation was absolutely certain God was on their side.

And this is why we really need to pray, and to pray for God's will to be made known, not just for God to do what we think He ought to do. Here is a thought: What if the horror of ISIS is actually making many thousands of Muslims more receptive to turning away from those evil teachings toward the Holy Spirit...as long as we don't screw up His program by responding with chariots and horses instead of the sweet Good News?

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

And this is why we really need to pray, and to pray for God's will to be made known, not just for God to do what we think He ought to do. Here is a thought: What if the horror of ISIS is actually making many thousands of Muslims more receptive to turning away from those evil teachings toward the Holy Spirit...as long as we don't screw up His program by responding with chariots and horses instead of the sweet Good News?

Thank God for his eternal patience. I can't imagine having to put up with such a impatient flock.

 

[chevyontheriver]

A Muslim wrote a book, Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus, and details his painful journey out of Islam and into the Christianity faith. For every challenge to Islam (by his friend David Wood) Nabeel would go to the Islamic authoritative writings. What he found shocked him and in the end, Nabeel knew that Islam was not of God. Leaving Islam, even in the US, is no small task. Nabeel lost his family in the process. Many Muslims choose to stay in Islam because it's "safer" than trying to leave.

What we should be doing is helping Muslims discover Christ. My limited experience is that some can be surprisingly open.

Not the only thing we should be doing, by any means. We are in a situation almost exactly analogous to the situation for which the crusades were conducted. Not all crusades were noble in execution. Far from it. Not every crusade was called for noble reasons although the majority were. But overall they were defensive wars. We should get over our knee-jerk negativity towards the crusades. Several of them were actually just wars from the Christian side. I'm not sure we in this day and age have the moral rectitude to conduct a noble crusade, given the state of the elites who govern us. Maybe. Maybe not. But maybe we can find a few who can play St. Francis and preach to the Muslims. It is a necessary thing that the Church should be doing.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

A Muslim wrote a book, Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus, and details his painful journey out of Islam and into the Christianity faith. For every challenge to Islam (by his friend David Wood) Nabeel would go to the Islamic authoritative writings. What he found shocked him and in the end, Nabeel knew that Islam was not of God. Leaving Islam, even in the US, is no small task. Nabeel lost his family in the process. Many Muslims choose to stay in Islam because it's "safer" than trying to leave.

Muslim culture is pretty communal. I have heard of some missionaries trying to win entire communities insteadof one or two,, because of such issues. Communal cultures are hard to witness to, because from a individualistic culture like ours.. it is difficult to understand how much they prioritize the community over self. And you just win one person, while the rest exile him/her more or less.. if they don't honor kill them for dishonoring the family through their obvious shame they brought upon them by acting on their own accord without any regard to the community they are a part of. I have heard of communal cultures working in the sense they will send someone out to a college or school somewhere else become a doctor or lawyer, only for him/her to return to do this new profession for the community. These are the sort of deep rooted ties we can't understand as americans. The wars in the ME that tear these tightly knit communities apart can create a huge vacuum that islamists try to fill with their faux brotherhood for their wars. Really, they are not a part of a brotherhood, but bodies to fill a grave for whatever sinister purpose the groups insane ideals are.

 

[Archivist]

Wow! Any way you slice it that is a LOT of people who think suicide bombing can be often or sometimes justified. And some percentage of those would actually promote it and some percentage of those would actually want to do it and some percentage of those have the means to do it. When you start with a billion Muslims you still end up with multiple thousands who will detonate and multiple millions who will cheer it on.

The 42% figure was among Muslims in Palestine. That is not true among all Muslims.

 

[Landon Caeli]

A Church representing Jesus Christ was attacked. How would Jesus have the Christian Church respond?

I don't know... What do you think?

I'm 'thinking' he would keep away, judging by how he was kept hidden during his youth.