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[Archivist]

Alrightythen. Next time I want to post something I'll check with you first on the point of my post so I'm not confused on what I'm trying to say.

That aside, the video isn't about the fact that the majority of Muslims are "peaceful." The video is about how a majority is irrelevant - in this case - to world-wide terror in the name of Islam.

The fact is, millions upon millions of Muslims support terrorist activities if not directly, then by agreement with their actions.

And my statement, which was very clear, was that a majority ofvMuslims do not support ISIS. That's fact. Why can't you just admit that I was right.

 

[PapaZoom]

I guess you don't apologize for making false statements about what others have said.

You mean like when I point out the purpose of my post and the point I was making and you said "NO" and then proceeded to tell the group what I really meant?

 

[PapaZoom]

And my statement, which was very clear, was that a majority ofvMuslims do not support ISIS. That's fact. Why can't you just admit that I was right.

Because that wasn't the point of my post. I was pointing to another fact that ought to be considered.

 

[Archivist]

Because that wasn't the point of my post. I was pointing to another fact that ought to be considered.

Then why direct it at me if it has nothing to do with what I said?

 

[tickingclocker]

I'm not sure what part Muslim terror has in God's plan.

When we look in the book of Daniel, we see a move of spiritual principalities: The principality of Persia that had been ruling over the area we now call the Levant got up and moved back to the east while the principality of Greece moved eastward to begin ruling over the Levant. In the meantime, the principality that had been protecting the people of Israel continued his covering role right where he was. In the spiritual realm, one principality moved away, another moved in...like the change of shift workers or a changing of the guard.

In the material realm of men, however, there was human nation against human nation: Chaos, war, and death.

When the Soviet Union fell, I and some other Christians in the intelligence community watched the details intently. This was a sudden and complete surprise. US military attaches in Soviet Bloc nations reported Soviet troops hurriedly throwing their gear into trucks and rushing back to Russia in chaos, as though they were fleeing an unseen invader. We watched military units in the Soviet Union--active every day in grim determination for half a century--suddenly fall apart. The Russian cosmonauts in the Mir space station were frantic because the Russians scientists at Baikonur Cosmodrome (their version of the Kennedy Space Center) had simply stopped going to work, and the cosmonauts actually were afraid nobody would bring them back. Sudden chaos out of nowhere.

Since then, Russia has been merely a place where bad men were doing bad things and good men were doing good things--the ordinary simmering chaos common in the fallen world...not the directed, stolid activity of controlled evil that had been the Soviet Union.

We watched that happening, and in our Pentagon bible studies we wondered to each other: Had we just witnessed the movement of a principality? Had a spiritual authority that had governed the Soviet Union simply get up and move somewhere else? And if so...where? And why? What plan was in motion?

I don't pretend to know the answers to those questions, but I look at these kinds of broad activities and wonder what is behind them in the spiritual realm. But certainly, we see something new happening. There has been a slow simmer of Islamic terrorism since the 70s--most people had the luxury of hardly noticing, but it had been my professional business to study it since the mid-70s. That was aimless stuff, going back and forth, rising and falling, without a goal.

There is something broad and new going on. This is not just the activities of evil men--evil men alone don't act in such concert around the world, but at the urging of demons that are anywhere and everywhere whispering the same suggestions into open ears all around the world, any open ear that prayerfully welcomes them.

This is not going to be brought to an end by trusting in chariots and horses.

But thereafter he said: “Behold, you have conceived, and you will give birth to a son. And you shall call his name Ishmael, because the Lord has heard your affliction. He will be a wild man. His hand will be against all, and all hands will be against him. And he will pitch his tents away from the region of all his brothers.” (Gen 16:12)

You are so right. This will not be brought to an end by trusting in guns or planes or bombs, or even diplomacy. You cannot reason with a wild man.

 

[PapaZoom]

Then why direct it at me if it has nothing to do with what I said?

Well you posted in the thread didn't you? You are a part of the conversation are you not? You make a claim and then leave it at that. I was pointing out that even though the majority may be peaceful, they are irrelevant. My point is very germane to your point. And it clarifies rather than obfuscates the role of Islam in world terror.

 

[Archivist]

Well you posted in the thread didn't you? You are a part of the conversation are you not? You make a claim and then leave it at that. I was pointing out that even though the majority may be peaceful, they are irrelevant. My point is very germane to your point. And it clarifies rather than obfuscates the role of Islam in world terror.

And, as I have said twice, it confirmed that what I said was correct.

 

[wing2000]

The 42% is Muslims who ADMIT to support of suicide bombings, which certainly means it's much higher. Please don't try to defend Islam - not this week.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...ion-muslims-support-isis-in-eleven-countries/

How do you get 42% when that question was not asked by Pew?

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/

On 2nd glance, I stand corrected....noting the only place even close to 42 percent are the Palistinian Terrirtories. The vast majority of Muslim Country populations do in fact, reject suicide bombings by overwhelming margins.

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/...s-society-overview/#extremism-widely-rejected

 

[PapaZoom]

And, as I have said twice, it confirmed that what I said was correct.

Well you said papazoom confirmed it. I did no such thing. I made a different point altogether. You should have pointed out that it was the video that confirmed what you had said. That would have been honest. But why stop there? The truth is, that although the majority of Muslims in the world are peaceful, they are irrelevant to the millions of Islamic terrorists. And the fact is, the majority of terrorism we have going on in the world right now, has to do with Muslims. Not extremists either. The leader of ISIS has a PhD in Islamic studies. He knows Islam. If you are a peaceful Muslim, you are NOT following the authoritative writings of Islam.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

I guess you don't apologize for making false statements about what others have said. And my statement that a majority of Muslims do not support ISIS is correct. If you have evidence to the contrary please present it.

You are acting as a Muslim apologist, and I simply don't have patience for that. Not in a thread about the beheading of a priest, and not this week with all the bloodshed caused by Muslims. Please have some respect, after what has just happened.

 

[Uncle Siggy]

I wonder how much longer it will be before the 2 resident drive byes stop in and declare those 2 videos garbage???

 

[Archivist]

Well you said papazoom confirmed it. I did no such thing. I made a different point altogether. You should have pointed out that it was the video that confirmed what you had said. That would have been honest. But why stop there? The truth is, that although the majority of Muslims in the world are peaceful, they are irrelevant to the millions of Islamic terrorists. And the fact is, the majority of terrorism we have going on in the world right now, has to do with Muslims. Not extremists either. The leader of ISIS has a PhD in Islamic studies. He knows Islam. If you are a peaceful Muslim, you are NOT following the authoritative writings of Islam.

I was honest. You posted the video. The video confirmed what I said. Therefore by posting it you confirmed what I said.

 

[PapaZoom]

I was honest. You posted the video. The video confirmed what I said. Therefore by posting it you confirmed what I said.

No, you weren't being honest. And I'm now done with you once again. You rarely manage to stay on my good list because of your deceptiveness. Bye

 

[W2L]

The 42% is Muslims who ADMIT to support of suicide bombings, which certainly means it's much higher. Please don't try to defend Islam - not this week.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...ion-muslims-support-isis-in-eleven-countries/

Well, I hope America doesn't get bombed for what 42% of Americans believe. I think war should be taken more seriously because in fact we will be killing innocent people as well. People talk about abortion, but war kills many children as well.

 

[Archivist]

You are acting as a Muslim apologist, and I simply don't have patience for that. Not in a thread about the beheading of a priest, and not this week with all the bloodshed caused by Muslims. Please have some respect, after what has just happened.

No I am not a Muslim apologist. I made a simple statement of fact. You are the one who tried to twist my words into something I never said. The fact is that a majority of Muslims do not support ISIS.

 

[PapaZoom]

There will be many, many more killings in the name of Islam by the minority of Muslims. And the silent Majority will continue to stay irrelevant.

 

[Archivist]

No, you weren't being honest. And I'm now done with you once again. You rarely manage to stay on my good list because of your deceptiveness. Bye

Fine. Then don't post videos that support what I say.

 

[PapaZoom]

You can't paint the whole from the actions of a few. But in the case of Islam, if you go to the authoritative writings, you will easily see that ISIS follows the teachings of Islam according to the AWs.

 

[PapaZoom]

I wonder how much longer it will be before the 2 resident drive byes stop in and declare those 2 videos garbage???

except for the fact that lady knows of what she speaks. But there are plenty of people on youtube who try to discredit her. She's a fireball and not intimidated by such things.

 

[dqhall]

Years ago I read, 'WHY I AM NOT A MUSLIM,' by Ibn Warraq. I do not trust Islam to this day.