The problem of evil

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

I don't have faith in science. I have evidence that science is reliable.

And when it comes to "Gaps" you have faith that in time science will fill that "gap" and you have faith that God is not responsible for that "gap".

 

[amariselle]

Have you provided any sources, regarding scientific sources claiming absolute facts in regards to the origin of life?

We are waiting.

Keep waiting. It's everywhere, I'm not wasting my time supplying evidence for something that is pretty much everywhere you look these days.

 

[amariselle]

And when it comes to "Gaps" you have faith that in time science will fill that "gap" and you have faith that God is not responsible for that "gap".

Exactly!

 

[amariselle]

You do realise that 'science' is simply 'knowledge'?

Really? Why is it so superior then? Why am I supposed to base my entire life on it?

 

[amariselle]

Absurd like.... a shiny being that can just make universes and doesn't need a reason for it's own existence? Unicorns are relatively simple myths, god on the other hand.... especially when you consider the story of the cross and sin and the garden and talking snakes and virgin mothers.

Or absurd like the idea that something (everything) came from nothing.

 

[amariselle]

Isn't that what you believe - that life originated from 'dust'?

And you are wrong to assert that there has been no experimentation.

Experimentation does not equal explanation.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Please demonstrate that nothing ever existed.

That is not the point and yet another strawman arguement.

 

[amariselle]

Are you seriously not familiar with those classic stories of the bible? You said you were very familiar with the bible?

I don't really care what Jesus said about being angry and how that's supposedly the same as murder, that's just silly and I don't care what he thinks, you don't ask someone who burns humans alive what they think about morality.

I will absolutely sit here and judge this, the bible has very clear commandments and stories where god sent plagues, rapists, famines, bears, snakes.... that you think there might have been a good reason for god to do those things just makes this conversation ridiculous. I don't really care what the context was, you don't say "I will make you eat your kids" Jer 19:9 that's just insane.

You know very well you god has hurt more people than I will ever think about hurting. I'll never even go to Jail, your god made women miscarry and had babies torn out of their mothers bellies.

The only reason I say all this is because your objective system doesn't exist and neither does the divine goodness you claim it's based on

Your problem is with God, not with me or anyone else. One day you can take that up with Him.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Isn't that what you believe - that life originated from 'dust'?

And you are wrong to assert that there has been no experimentation.

Do you or do you not believe that all life originated from inorganic matter?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Isn't that what you believe - that life originated from 'dust'?

And you are wrong to assert that there has been no experimentation.

Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.” So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.
Genesis 1:26‭-‬27 NIV
http://bible.com/111/gen.1.26-27.NIV

And your point being? Another strawman argument.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

You do realise that 'science' is simply 'knowledge'?

"... We know that “We all possess knowledge.” But knowledge puffs up while love builds up.
1 Corinthians 8:1 NIV
http://bible.com/111/1co.8.1.NIV

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Actually what I said is that I use logic to not entertain illogical ideas like your illogical god I don't know everything but I do know gods aren't logical and that I have no reason to believe in one

And what is so logical about the idea that everything was created by nothing for absolutely no reason?

 

[amariselle]

No one uses science or logic to go make absolutely sure Thor or Yahweh or Captain America aren't real. They're are make believe things that undermine logic their selves so you dismiss them.

Actually, true and honest science does not "dismiss" God. True and honest science admits that God, if He exists, is beyond the reach and study of science. Science can neither prove nor disprove God. So, I don't know what reasoning you're using to dismiss God, but it's not science.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Do you know that if I simulated your gods acts precisely I would likely be sentenced to death for those crimes?

Have I backed you into a corner? Why are you avoiding the question? Answer the question, what is the difference between "murdering" and "killing"?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

No one uses science or logic to go make absolutely sure Thor or Yahweh or Captain America aren't real. They're are make believe things that undermine logic their selves so you dismiss them.

And the "big bang theory "is logical even though it goes against the scientific laws of thermodynamics and physics? I guess if you want to disbelieve God enough scientific laws can be thrown out the window...huh?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

When has nothing ever existed?

You are telling me what I have to believe?

Are you suggesting that the universe had no origin? That it is eternal?

 

[amariselle]

Have I backed you into a corner? Why are you avoiding the question? Answer the question, what is the difference between "murdering" and "killing"?

The problem that I have with science and those who uphold it as the absolute answer to everything, is that such a view is arrogant. None of us have all of the answers to everything, and yet science has made absolute claims of truth on things it hasn't even come CLOSE to proving.

There are so many holes in scientific theories, but somehow trusting a scientific theory filled with holes and inadequate explanations takes less faith then believing in God. This makes absolutely no sense.

We ALL take things on faith. The only way we wouldn't need to is if we had every answer for every question out there, and we don't.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

One more time for kicks:

I don't have faith in science. I have evidence to know science is reliable. Do you get that now?

If I am wrong about God? Well, them's the breaks.

You see, I don't do well pretending I believe something, when well evidence reality tells me something different. I am not good at fooling myself, some are.

I see you didn't answer my question:

Could you be wrong about a God existing???

And you have yet to answer my simple question. Do you believe that all life originated from inorganic matter? If so, why?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Mind reading again?

Then Riddle me this. How do you know a god did not create the universe? What proof do you have that makes you know for sure?

 

[bhsmte]

Yes, I could be wrong. But at least I am not to proud and stubborn to admit that I believe out of faith. You admit yourself that you could be wrong about God, yet you still reject that it is your faith in science and lack of faith in God that caused you to have that belief.

Still telling me I have faith.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!