The problem of evil

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

No faith required, just an examination of the available evidence.

And what does the available evidence show?....nothing. their is no evidence. Just blind assumptions by scientists in order to "fill the gaps" with whatever seems logical to them.

 

[SteveB28]

Science has done both. It has enhanced life and lengthened it for some and it has also caused death and shortened life for others.

You do realise that 'science' is simply 'knowledge'?

 

[Hikarifuru]

Wow, you need to back those claims up with Scripture. And please, make sure it is completely in context and that you understand the historical environment and conditions as well. I will not address "cherry picked" Scripture selected to suit your purposes. If you want to make such claims, back them up adequately. Make sure you understand what God in His holiness and righteousness was ACTUALLY doing when these things happened, and when He allowed people to do such things.

And also, since you want to point your finger at Jesus, make sure you understand fully what He truly said regarding hatred, lust and attitudes of the heart. (Remember hatefulness is the same as murder).

You think you will never hurt anyone, but have you ever lied? Have you ever been unjustly angry with someone? Have you ever treated anyone unfairly? Have you ever gossiped or slandered anyone?

Jesus is very specific about such things. So please, make sure you are honest about what Jesus REALLY says if you want to sit in judgement. Personally, I would advise against accusing Jesus of things, because I at least admit I don't know the mind of God. If you think you do, by all means, demonstrate your knowledge.

Are you seriously not familiar with those classic stories of the bible? You said you were very familiar with the bible?

I don't really care what Jesus said about being angry and how that's supposedly the same as murder, that's just silly and I don't care what he thinks, you don't ask someone who burns humans alive what they think about morality.

I will absolutely sit here and judge this, the bible has very clear commandments and stories where god sent plagues, rapists, famines, bears, snakes.... that you think there might have been a good reason for god to do those things just makes this conversation ridiculous. I don't really care what the context was, you don't say "I will make you eat your kids" Jer 19:9 that's just insane.

You know very well you god has hurt more people than I will ever think about hurting. I'll never even go to Jail, your god made women miscarry and had babies torn out of their mothers bellies.

The only reason I say all this is because your objective system doesn't exist and neither does the divine goodness you claim it's based on

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Having faith in a unicorn is A LOT different than being absolutely sure that unicorns aren't real. We can use logic to assume that illogical beings aren't real, mystical beings like god require you to dismiss logic in order to entertain them. It's not the same at all.

Faith, is based on trust with a lack of knowledge or understanding. You trust that in time, science will "fill the gaps". You trust that science is correct about the origins of life. Because you believe these things out of "trust" rather than on "knowledge", you have faith in science. This faith that you have in science is no different that my faith in God.

 

[Hikarifuru]

Oh, so now God is a unicorn? Your comparisons keep getting more absurd.

Absurd like.... a shiny being that can just make universes and doesn't need a reason for it's own existence? Unicorns are relatively simple myths, god on the other hand.... especially when you consider the story of the cross and sin and the garden and talking snakes and virgin mothers.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Have you provided any sources, regarding scientific sources claiming absolute facts in regards to the origin of life?

We are waiting.

It is obvious, it you don't believe in God, you have to believe that all life was created from inorganic matter. To say otherwise is to say that a being created life. There is no way around it.

Furthermore, to say that God does not exist is to believe that the universe was created by nothing, from nothing, for absolutely no reason. Even if you think that the universe has no beginning, is to say the universe is eternal. If that is the case, why is it logical to believe that the universe is eternal with no creator but an eternal God creating the universe is nonsense?

 

[Hikarifuru]

Faith, is based on trust with a lack of knowledge or understanding. You trust that in time, science will "fill the gaps". You trust that science is correct about the origins of life. Because you believe these things out of "trust" rather than on "knowledge", you have faith in science. This faith that you have in science is no different that my faith in God.

Actually what I said is that I use logic to not entertain illogical ideas like your illogical god I don't know everything but I do know gods aren't logical and that I have no reason to believe in one

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

I never said it was good [emoji14]

But why is it wrong for Hitler to kill those people but it's not wrong for Yahweh to kill those people? #doublestandard

Do you know the difference between murdering and killing?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

No I use logic and don't entertain ideas that inherently undermine that same ogic, like gremlins and Yahweh and Thor.

Do you not trust science?

 

[Hikarifuru]

Do you know the difference between murdering and killing?

Do you know that if I simulated your gods acts precisely I would likely be sentenced to death for those crimes?

 

[Hikarifuru]

Do you not trust science?

No one uses science or logic to go make absolutely sure Thor or Yahweh or Captain America aren't real. They're are make believe things that undermine logic their selves so you dismiss them.

 

[bhsmte]

It is obvious, it you don't believe in God, you have to believe that all life was created from inorganic matter. To say otherwise is to say that a being created life. There is no way around it.

Furthermore, to say that God does not exist is to believe that the universe was created by nothing, from nothing, for absolutely no reason. Even if you think that the universe has no beginning, is to say the universe is eternal. If that is the case, why is it logical to believe that the universe is eternal with no creator but an eternal God creating the universe is nonsense?

When has nothing ever existed?

You are telling me what I have to believe?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Let me make myself more clear.

I never stated I could prove a God doesn't exist.

I stated based on the evidence, I have no reason to believe a God exists.

In regards to the claims of Christianity, I could not longer reconcile this theology, based on not being able to reconcile it with well evidenced reality.

Furthermore, I never stated I relied on science to not believe a God exists and science has nothing to say about whether a God exists or not. My conclusion is simple; no evidence to support this belief.

A quick question for you; could you be mistaken about whether a God exists?

And what if you are wrong about God? (And don't give me those Charles Dawkins ramblings about the Juju of the sea). It seem that you have so much faith in science that you are willing to risk being wrong about God. Anyway you try to spin or evade the question, you cannot excape the fact that you have more faith in science than you do in the existence of a god. I really don't see the problem in that so I really don't understand why it is so difficult to admit.

 

[bhsmte]

And what does the available evidence show?....nothing. their is no evidence. Just blind assumptions by scientists in order to "fill the gaps" with whatever seems logical to them.

LOL

 

[bhsmte]

And I have equal evidence that it's not. What's your point?

I made my point.

 

[bhsmte]

And what if you are wrong about God? (And don't give me those Charles Dawkins ramblings about the Juju of the sea). It seem that you have so much faith in science that you are willing to risk being wrong about God. Anyway you try to spin or evade the question, you cannot excape the fact that you have more faith in science than you do in the existence of a god. I really don't see the problem in that so I really don't understand why it is so difficult to admit.

One more time for kicks:

I don't have faith in science. I have evidence to know science is reliable. Do you get that now?

If I am wrong about God? Well, them's the breaks.

You see, I don't do well pretending I believe something, when well evidence reality tells me something different. I am not good at fooling myself, some are.

I see you didn't answer my question:

Could you be wrong about a God existing???

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

However it happened... it wasn't Thor.... and it wasn't Yahweh... those are illogical silly ideas.

You don't know how the universe was created but you "know" it wasn't Thor or Yahweh? How do you know? The answer is you don't know....but you trust science to believe it is no so. You simply have more faith in science than in Thor or Yahweh to believe that Thor or Yahweh did not create the universe.

 

[bhsmte]

You don't know how the universe was created but you "know" it wasn't Thor or Yahweh? How do you know? The answer is you don't know....but you trust science to believe it is no so. You simply have more faith in science than in Thor or Yahweh to believe that Thor or Yahweh did not create the universe.

Mind reading again?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

A quick question for you; could you be mistaken about whether a God exists?

Yes, I could be wrong. But at least I am not to proud and stubborn to admit that I believe out of faith. You admit yourself that you could be wrong about God, yet you still reject that it is your faith in science and lack of faith in God that caused you to have that belief.

 

[toLiJC]

It seems to me the problem of evil is a real problem, and it is my main barrier to faith. I just have trouble believing in a benevolent creator that cares about people- I see no evidence for it in this world. There is gross unfairness and suffering in the world and I don't believe Christians can account for it.

I grant that I could be wrong, that somehow there is a God in charge of it all and its just like the Christian God and is beyond my understanding. But it would be pretty cruel for such a being to hold honest doubts against me, given the quality of evidence he's left.

And honestly, if it is the case that God exists and he has such a mysterious plan, what does that say about Christian epistemology? How could we take any religious authority seriously if God's will is so inscrutable? It seems to me much more skepticism of religious claims are warranted, regardless of whether or not the Christian God exists.

the philosophy is not enough to explain these things, God is good, but the true One i.e. That Who is above all the "darkness", and of course evidence for that is hard to be found in this world, because it has since the day of the original sin(fall) been a world of human religion and spiritual unrighteousness/iniquity full of delusion and false reality, which also means there is no guarantee that christians were not involved in those wicked works, i personally met many christians that had misbeliefs deep in their hearts, even such through whom/which a strong, negative spiritual force worked to the detriment of other people

and in the hitherto prevailing circumstances there has in principle been a need for the worshipers to seek the true One by invoking Him diligently and being faithful to Him so that they may have Him as their God and Lord, which means there has been no guarantee that any worshiper can have the true Holy Spirit without practicing the faith so seriously, and this has been due to the fact that God fell into a millennia-long state of half-sleep from the seventh day on, which is evident from what the 4th Commandment says centuries after the seventh day, "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy... For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."(Exodus 20:8-11), because if He was fully awake, then there would be no need for the worshipers to be careful to keep His creature/creation holy...

Blessings