The problem of evil

[Hikarifuru]

So the fact that you admit that you "may be wrong" demonstrates that you do not know. You cannot prove God doesn't exist just as much as I cannot prove that God does exist. I have faith in God and His word and you have faith in science that God does not exist.

Having faith in a unicorn is A LOT different than being absolutely sure that unicorns aren't real. We can use logic to assume that illogical beings aren't real, mystical beings like god require you to dismiss logic in order to entertain them. It's not the same at all.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

That's actually an example of protecting your own genetic offspring. You seem to think I was saying animals never ever hurt each other. I wasn't I was saying it beneficial for creatures to take care of each other and that this is one reason why humans regularly sacrifice to help other people or accept shame and guilt to stay in other peoples good graces.

So male lions killing off Cubs of a rival lion is all good because it "protects it's genetic offspring". However, the nazis killing off Jews because they were believed to be an "inferior race" while participating in eugenics to build a master Aryan race is also "protecting it's genetic offspring". So why is it good for lions and not humans?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

I don't need to prove that gremlins are not real, considering them a possibility undermines the very logic you blunder to try to use. God is the same.

God is inherently illogical, you have to dismiss logic in order to consider it. God is the opposite of your attempt at logic. It's no different than claiming that you need to prove beyond doubt that I'm not god myself in disguise.

So you have faith in science that one day it will prove God is not real.

 

[bhsmte]

Really? How so?

Have you provided any sources, regarding scientific sources claiming absolute facts in regards to the origin of life?

We are waiting.

 

[Hikarifuru]

So male lions killing off Cubs of a rival lion is all good because it "protects it's genetic offspring". However, the nazis killing off Jews because they were believed to be an "inferior race" while participating in eugenics to build a master Aryan race is also "protecting it's genetic offspring". So why is it good for lions and not humans?

I never said it was good

But why is it wrong for Hitler to kill those people but it's not wrong for Yahweh to kill those people? #doublestandard

 

[bhsmte]

Wait, are you saying that such inventions and discoveries weren't done with the intent to harm people? What other use do such things have?

They were invented by humans, using science.

Science didn't invent them, humans did.

 

[Hikarifuru]

So you have faith in science that one day it will prove God is not real.

No I use logic and don't entertain ideas that inherently undermine that same ogic, like gremlins and Yahweh and Thor.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

God is inherently illogical, you have to dismiss logic in order to consider it.

And believing that the universe was created by nothing, from nothing, for absolutely no reason is more logical despite how many laws of nature it violates!? Deism is more logical than that.

 

[bhsmte]

So the fact that you admit that you "may be wrong" demonstrates that you do not know. You cannot prove God doesn't exist just as much as I cannot prove that God does exist. I have faith in God and His word and you have faith in science that God does not exist.

Let me make myself more clear.

I never stated I could prove a God doesn't exist.

I stated based on the evidence, I have no reason to believe a God exists.

In regards to the claims of Christianity, I could not longer reconcile this theology, based on not being able to reconcile it with well evidenced reality.

Furthermore, I never stated I relied on science to not believe a God exists and science has nothing to say about whether a God exists or not. My conclusion is simple; no evidence to support this belief.

A quick question for you; could you be mistaken about whether a God exists?

 

[Hikarifuru]

And believing that the universe was created by nothing, from nothing, for absolutely no reason is more logical despite how many laws of nature it violates!? Deism is more logical than that.

I don't know how I exist but you can't summon logic to create a need for an infinitely less logical god... sorry. However it happened... it wasn't Thor.... and it wasn't Yahweh... those are illogical silly ideas.

 

[bhsmte]

Ha ha....does science scare me? Is this a serious question? Many things scare me, I can assure you, unless we're talking about various inventions like the atomic bomb, no, science does not scare me. I do not find it in the slightest bit threatening to my faith and belief in God. All science is is a manmade system of study and exploration. I can admit that it has allowed for many valuable discoveries and advances is worldly knowledge, but it has absolutely no bearing on my faith.

When some folks deny the evidence of science and or need to create a strawman of science, it could be an indication science is threatening to their personal faith belief.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

There may be smaller issues that we see differently, but there are definitely core issues that many hold in common, like that it's wrong to murder someone for instance.

Yep, intersubjective morals apply to most important issues, at least in broad terms.

 

[bhsmte]

This is not about "Gaps". I am not saying that: if science can't explain it, it must be God". It is about how people have faith in scientific "theories" and believe them to be true without any proof. So don't throw that strawman argument to distract away from the point.

Do you or do you not believe that all life originated from inorganic matter?

I don't have faith in science. I have evidence that science is reliable.

 

[bhsmte]

And believing that the universe was created by nothing, from nothing, for absolutely no reason is more logical despite how many laws of nature it violates!? Deism is more logical than that.

Please demonstrate that nothing ever existed.

 

[amariselle]

Actually no... my subjective moral says it's wrong to hurt people because of how much it hurts people, and because I feel like that's wrong... whereas you feel like it's wrong to hurt people because your god said so. Your bible has stories of this gods servants KILLING lots of people because this god said so. me on the other hand will never do anything like that.

You claim that my system allows killing but I won't ever kill, whereas I can quote you pages of scriptures where your god killed, sent rapists, even make parents EAT their kids. You're just obsessed with subjective reality being dangerous and you don't understand that it's exactly what you have, you just personally feel like gods ways are best

I'll never hurt anyone, your god sent snakes to kill people
I'll never hurt anyone, your god made parents eat their children
I'll never hurt anyone, your god had daughters burned alive
I'll never hurt anyone, your god had wives stoned
I'll never hurt anyone, your god had gay people murdered
I'll never hurt anyone, your god sent bears to kill children
I'll never hurt anyone, your god sent an angel to kill ever first born
I'll never hurt anyone, your god hardened pharaohs so he could kill them
I'll never hurt anyone, your god sent diseases to kill people
I'll never hurt anyone, your god sent famine to kill people
I'll never hurt anyone, your god sent lions to kill people
I'll never hurt anyone, your god turned people into salt
I'll never hurt anyone, your god struck people dead
I'll never hurt anyone, your god flooded the whole world
???

Ask me to hurt someone and ask Jesus to hurt someone... I promise Jesus will kill before I do.

Wow, you need to back those claims up with Scripture. And please, make sure it is completely in context and that you understand the historical environment and conditions as well. I will not address "cherry picked" Scripture selected to suit your purposes. If you want to make such claims, back them up adequately. Make sure you understand what God in His holiness and righteousness was ACTUALLY doing when these things happened, and when He allowed people to do such things.

And also, since you want to point your finger at Jesus, make sure you understand fully what He truly said regarding hatred, lust and attitudes of the heart. (Remember hatefulness is the same as murder).

You think you will never hurt anyone, but have you ever lied? Have you ever been unjustly angry with someone? Have you ever treated anyone unfairly? Have you ever gossiped or slandered anyone?

Jesus is very specific about such things. So please, make sure you are honest about what Jesus REALLY says if you want to sit in judgement. Personally, I would advise against accusing Jesus of things, because I at least admit I don't know the mind of God. If you think you do, by all means, demonstrate your knowledge.

 

[amariselle]

Having faith in a unicorn is A LOT different than being absolutely sure that unicorns aren't real. We can use logic to assume that illogical beings aren't real, mystical beings like god require you to dismiss logic in order to entertain them. It's not the same at all.

Oh, so now God is a unicorn? Your comparisons keep getting more absurd.

 

[bhsmte]

Oh, so now God is a unicorn? Your comparisons keep getting more absurd.

Another strawman.

 

[amariselle]

I don't have faith in science. I have evidence that science is reliable.

And I have equal evidence that it's not. What's your point?

 

[amariselle]

Another strawman.

It wasn't MY argument. Ha ha, seriously.

 

[SteveB28]

"Life originated from inorganic matter." Science cannot prove it, test it, or even recreate it. Yet if you don't believe in God, you have to have faith that it is true.

Isn't that what you believe - that life originated from 'dust'?

And you are wrong to assert that there has been no experimentation.