Can you be good without God?

[Eudaimonist]

If God does not exist, why not go through life working to get the most out of it for yourself? Rules may be just a barrier holding you back from pleasure. If you devise a method to circumvent rules while maximizing pleasure and never get caught, you should be applauded for your efforts. You get maximum pleasure with zero repercussions and no justice imposed upon your lawbreaking. You lived above the law and had a thrilling life.
Let's all be narcissists! Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die!!!

What's all this about maximizing pleasure? You think small about life.

I'm becoming more and more convinced that you are just here to troll us with inane comments.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Achilles6129]

There's a difference between temporary meaning and ultimate meaning. Obviously someone can find something temporarily meaningful, but ultimately if God doesn't exist then everything is meaningless. And since everything is ultimately meaningless, then the idea of temporary meaning is just a delusion, like good and evil. It's something that you choose to believe but that in reality doesn't matter, no matter how much you may tell yourself that it does.

The simple reality of the matter is that if God doesn't exist then there is no good and evil. Temporary delusions eventually get replaced by reality. So you may temporarily conclude that Stalin was evil, but ultimately he really wasn't and it didn't matter. Your temporary conclusions are really just a temporary delusion then.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

On the contrary, when you reject God's authority, you become your own god.

Fallacy after fallacy after fallacy...

I keep asking and you keep ignoring - have you taken Philosophy? Because you're not doing well at it, and no one is going to listen to a thing you say until you start...

 

[Eudaimonist]

There's a difference between temporary meaning and ultimate meaning. Obviously someone can find something temporarily meaningful, but ultimately if God doesn't exist then everything is meaningless.

Not right now. Only "ultimately". Right now there is full meaning.

And since everything is ultimately meaningless, then the idea of temporary meaning is just a delusion

How does that follow logically?

The simple reality of the matter is that if God doesn't exist then there is no good and evil.

That is not the reality of the matter.

So you may temporarily conclude that Stalin was evil

Nothing prevents me from permanently concluding that. It's not like I'm going to change my mind on the subject after I'm dead.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Archaeopteryx]

There's a difference between temporary meaning and ultimate meaning.

So the only way your life is going to have meaning is if it has ultimate significance on the grandest cosmic scale? I hope not to offend, but doesn't that seem a tad narcissistic?

 

[ToddNotTodd]

There's a difference between temporary meaning and ultimate meaning.

Noooo. It's just "meaning". Adding the qualifier "ultimate" is superfluous. It's like saying "It's not just bacon, it's ULTIMATE bacon." No, it's just bacon...

Obviously someone can find something temporarily meaningful, but ultimately if God doesn't exist then everything is meaningless.

Again with the false dichotomy. At this point you're not even making an argument, you're just repeating assertions with no logic to back it up.

The simple reality of the matter is that if God doesn't exist then there is no good and evil.

Demonstrably false.

 

[Achilles6129]

So the only way your life is going to have meaning is if it has ultimate significance on the grandest cosmic scale? I hope not to offend, but doesn't that seem a tad narcissistic?

I would say it's realistic.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I would say it's realistic.

How so? You won't be satisfied unless you acquire god-like status. For you, life is meaningless otherwise.

 

[Dave Ellis]

There's a difference between temporary meaning and ultimate meaning. Obviously someone can find something temporarily meaningful, but ultimately if God doesn't exist then everything is meaningless.

Nonsense, if I find something meaningful, then it is meaningful. That's true regardless of the existence of a god.

And since everything is ultimately meaningless, then the idea of temporary meaning is just a delusion, like good and evil. It's something that you choose to believe but that in reality doesn't matter, no matter how much you may tell yourself that it does.

This is a non sequitur.

The simple reality of the matter is that if God doesn't exist then there is no good and evil. Temporary delusions eventually get replaced by reality. So you may temporarily conclude that Stalin was evil, but ultimately he really wasn't and it didn't matter. Your temporary conclusions are really just a temporary delusion then.

God is irrelevant to there being good and evil, they would exist exactly as they do now whether a god exists or not.

And yes, Stalin was evil, and I have given reasons why already.

 

[Dave Ellis]

I would say it's realistic.

But yet, completely unsupported.

 

[Dave Ellis]

How so? You won't be satisfied unless you acquire god-like status. For you, life is meaningless otherwise.

So, ultimately he's a complete narcissist, or nihilist.

This is what religion produces.

 

[MennoSota]

Fallacy after fallacy after fallacy...

I keep asking and you keep ignoring - have you taken Philosophy? Because you're not doing well at it, and no one is going to listen to a thing you say until you start...

LOL, this ain't no philosophy class. This is straight-up truth-telling and you're the denier of truth.
Deny all you want. You'll still be wrong.

 

[Eudaimonist]

LOL, this ain't no philosophy class.

It is, however, the Philosophy board. You don't understand just where you are posting.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Davian]

What meaning does your molecular structure take away when it moves on?

My body? It could could to medical or scientific research. My organs could go on to help others, as donor. Or I could just arrange for my component molecules to be returned to the environment.

The Bible says humans are made in the image of God, with the God-given ability to know right from wrong. All other beings have no concept of this as they kill with no sense of remorse. Why is it that a gorilla had to be killed to keep it from killing a young boy? It's because the Gorilla has no sense of right or wrong.

Why do gorillas care for and protect their young?

Why don't the adult wolves of a wolf pack eat the pups?

If there is no God, you are no more than that gorilla and morality is a meaningless thing.

Or, morality is simply a system of values and principles of conduct held by a society or population.

You create a facade and illusion for yourself to try bring meaning apart from your Creator.

To be clear, you cannot show this belief you have in this alleged "creator" of yours to be anything by illusory? Correct?

 

[MennoSota]

Nonsense, if I find something meaningful, then it is meaningful. That's true regardless of the existence of a god.

LOL, so if you found cooking humans to be meaningful, then it would be meaningful!

"What's cooking Kitty? It smells kind of human. Could you tell me, what's in the pot?"

Your post-modern thinking is empty and void of any meaning, Dave.

 

[MennoSota]

It is, however, the Philosophy board. You don't understand just where you are posting.


eudaimonia,

Mark

I understand I'm speaking truth and you're running from it.

 

[Eudaimonist]

I understand I'm speaking truth and you're running from it.

No, I'm saying that you are posting in the Philosophy board, where philosophical discussion is expected even from Christians.

And you are clearly trolling us. I'm guessing that you are non-Christian and are just trying to make Christians look bad.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Dave Ellis]

LOL, this ain't no philosophy class. This is straight-up truth-telling and you're the denier of truth.
Deny all you want. You'll still be wrong.

Does it make you feel good to ramble incessantly about things that won't convince anybody of anything?

And you think we're wasting our time, that's the funny thing. You're spending as much time on this thread as anyone else, yet bringing absolutely nothing of substance to it.

 

[Dave Ellis]

LOL, so if you found cooking humans to be meaningful, then it would be meaningful!

Why does your line of argument depend on outlandish things that almost never occur? How do you not see the inherent dishonesty in your argument?

Your post-modern thinking is empty and void of any meaning, Dave.

Your bronze age thinking is logically incoherent.

 

[MennoSota]

My body? It could could to medical or scientific research. My organs could go on to help others, as donor. Or I could just arrange for my component molecules to be returned to the environment.

Why do gorillas care for and protect their young?

Why don't the adult wolves of a wolf pack eat the pups?

Or, morality is simply a system of values and principles of conduct held by a society or population.

To be clear, you cannot show this belief you have in this alleged "creator" of yours to be anything by illusory? Correct?

Paragraph 1: Your molecules don't care. Nor do the molecules of others. A couple more minutes before they dis-bond. That's all you've done. Empty and meaningless.

Paragraph 2: For no reason. It's meaningless without God having created them to do so.

Paragraph 3: So morality is only what society determines?
I guess Hitler was a moral leader of the Third Reich then. He and German society approved of the extermination of the Jews. According to your worldview that was a morally good thing to do in that society.
Human sacrifice in Aztec society must have been a blessed good and not evil since that society approved.
Do you see the irrational position you have taken?

Paragraph 4:
I point to the very real and extremely well recorded life of Yeshua, Jesus, God incarnate, as my proof.
No illusion, just fact and truth.