Real time or evo time?

[dad]

No, ....

You talked about gifts no? They have to be given. Maybe you need another word. Something like 'primordial uniqueness remnant'?

 

[dad]

Which flood?
And I define the far past as over 52 years ago.

You can define creation that way too, and the time of Noah if you like. It is beyond 4500 or so years ago that the end of the early creation era, and pre flood era ended. Your kinfolk from several decades ago simply are not relevant to the issues.

 

[dad]

It's your fantasy; you make the rules.

Why wouldn't there be?

The key to the past is the future. (of course science made the fatal mistake of thinking the present was the key)

In the future recorded already by the creator of all things, we see that nothing rusts. Nothing corrupts. Decay as we know it in this nature does involve fading away, getting older, and etc. If our mansion, for example in the New Jerusalem were to decay away, that would not be eternal. If the city were to experience radioactive decay as we know it, that also would mean it was not eternal. Therefore we could ot possibly have the same laws in place there.

Likewise, in the time of Adam, he was to live forever. The world and him could not have been under present laws and forces.

In THIS world, we see decay and corruption and rust and etc. This world will pass away. We are not of this world, and I might not add not of this present state.

 

[AirPo]

You talked about gifts no? They have to be given. Maybe you need another word. Something like 'primordial uniqueness remnant'?

No they don't. But like I said, feel free to make up whatever you want.

 

[dad]

No they don't. But like I said, feel free to make up whatever you want.

If we are gifted, that gift has to have been given. Elementary. Busted ye be.

 

[AirPo]

If we are gifted, that gift has to have been given. Elementary. Busted ye be.

Like I said, you're wrong and you are free to make up whatever you want.

 

[Loudmouth]

Why would there be decay there then?

Why would the ratios be the same as what would be produced by a same state past?

 

[Loudmouth]

So? Got any DNA from anyone pre flood?

The rules of evidence don't change just because of your fantasies.

 

[TLK Valentine]

You can define creation that way too, and the time of Noah if you like.

You can define anything as anything... that's the beauty of the HI theory.

 

[TLK Valentine]

The key to the past is the future. (of course science made the fatal mistake of thinking the present was the key)

No, no no... if you're going to paraphrase Orwell, do it right -- the key to the future is the past!

Or more specifically, "Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past."

In the future recorded already

Take a moment and think about what you just said -- if need be, remind yourself which way time goes.

by the creator of all things,

The Bible is the creator of all things?

we see that nothing rusts. Nothing corrupts.

Nothing oxidizes?

Decay as we know it in this nature does involve fading away, getting older, and etc. If our mansion, for example in the New Jerusalem were to decay away, that would not be eternal.

Maybe that's why they're made of gold? Gold doesn't rust.

If the city were to experience radioactive decay as we know it, that also would mean it was not eternal. Therefore we could ot possibly have the same laws in place there.

If God's placing us in a radioactive city, He obviously doesn't have a lot of care for us...

I'm fairly certain at this point you neither know nor care what "radioactive decay" means.

 

[Derek Meyer]

You can define anything as anything... that's the beauty of the HI theory.

That's why creationism is not science. Spooks can do anything. Even change the DNA of my son to be the DNA of Zeus.

 

[TLK Valentine]

That's why creationism is not science. Spooks can do anything. Even change the DNA of my son to be the DNA of Zeus.

Which would make you Chronus...

 

[dad]

Like I said, you're wrong and you are free to make up whatever you want.

Explain how a gift needs no giver or remain in the position you are in.

 

[dad]

Why would the ratios be the same as what would be produced by a same state past?

Because the ratios came about by creation, and then the different nature in the past, as well as to a small small degree by today's nature. Today's nature is just a little piggy backer. It had to work with what was here, and do so in a way that God ordered for the new nature. That means seamlessly. Notice Noah spanned both natures?

 

[dad]

The rules of evidence don't change just because of your fantasies.

The rule of evidence is that you need some. You have NO DNA from pre KT. (where I reckon that the flood era was near). You have diddly squat. Talking about court cases in recent history is disingenuous.

 

[dad]

You can define anything as anything... that's the beauty of the HI theory.

Since you evidence that science cannot tell us about the former nature, no one really cares if you disbelieve the Almighty or not, because He dun told us the future and past.

 

[AirPo]

Explain how a gift needs no giver or remain in the position you are in.

The dictionary is your friend.

noun
1.
something [URL='http://www.dictionary.com/browse/give']given voluntarily without payment in return, as to showfavor toward someone, honor an occasion, or make a gesture ofassistance; present.
2.
the act of giving.
3.
something bestowed or acquired without any particular effort by therecipient or without its being earned:
Those extra points he got in the game were a total gift.
4.
a special ability or capacity; natural endowment; talent:
the gift of saying the right thing at the right time.
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[dad]

No, no no... if you're going to paraphrase Orwell, do it right -- the key to the future is the past!

I was working with what geology and other so called sciences preach, that the present is claimed to be the key to it all.

Or more specifically, "Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past."

That would be Jesus.

The Bible is the creator of all things?

It is an extension of the truth and life of God and is alive!

Nothing oxidizes?

Not the way it would here. Not in heaven.

Maybe that's why they're made of gold? Gold doesn't rust.

Gold will be clear then, transparent. That is further evidence nature is different!

If God's placing us in a radioactive city, He obviously doesn't have a lot of care for us...

Exactly, so forget radioactivity...that is of this present state. Get it yet?

I'm fairly certain at this point you neither know nor care what "radioactive decay" means.

It is caused by the forces and laws in place now. You get that much??

 

[dad]

Actually,I believe the opinion on The Flood is that there was flooding,but not of the whole world.

That depends on what one means by "the" opinion. God's opinion and record is absolutely that there was a worldwide flood that killed every single man on earth save the ones on the ark.

Rather, it was the flooding of just the Black Sea region caused by the end of the last Ice Age. During the Ice Age, sea levels had dropped exponentially. Partly because the temperatures did not immediately skyrocket, partly because the the oceans had to be refilled before any flooding could take place and partly because the incredibly dense glaciers took longer to melt, the actual flooding of the Black Sea region did not occur until about 5,000 B.C. Now, converting that to how you measured time ( Years before the present as opposed to years Before Christ ) we get the year :7,016 years ago. Now, that doesn't line up perfectly with either of your guesses, but it is definitely closer to your "Real time" estimate.

That is unscriptural. You also cannot do time well. I know the basis for the time claims of what you are talking about and they are a religious joke, not provable, or real science.

Now, while the timing more or less lines up with what the Bible says, the actual amount of flooding does not. Science says the Black Sea region, the Bible says the whole world. However, this is likely just a matter of perspective.

Yes God's or the devil's.

Imagine this situation : You're Noah. An early human, who was likely unaware of the sheer size of our planet.

Says who? The world was together probably, in something similar to what science calls Pangaea. There were many many people. A world of people. They were likely smarter than us. The edges of that land mass were probably well known.

As for your last 3 statements, my responses are as follows. 1) By scientific logic, it would be reasonable to assume things can be fossilized 70 million years ago. That is because there are fossils that are 70 million years old, requiring fossilization to have occurred 70 million years ago.

You miss the point. Man and most animals could likely not fossilize. That doesn't mean many creatures also could not.

2) Science may do that, but then Christianity models beliefs on top of assumptions on top of godly beliefs. How do either of those statements make either of us wrong?

How do they make you right and God wrong??

3) This is really just your opinion, and you have no real proof to back up your claim.

False! Science uses clear criteria for dates and that is pure belief based godless balderdash.

 

[dad]

The dictionary is your friend.

To endow someone with something requires someone or something endowing. That doesn't help you. Gong!