Ten Commandments still valid so says Bible and pro-Sunday Scholars

[BobRyan]

to bugkiller



Taking a bit of a look searching and didn't find it yet.
I'm sure there is something as to an ear/s.

Are you a pest control person? Just curious.

Jeremiah 6:10
10 To whom shall I speak, and give warning, that they may hear? behold, their ear is uncircumcised, and they cannot hearken: behold, the word of the Lord is unto them a reproach; they have no delight in it.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

to bugkiller

Taking a bit of a look searching and didn't find it yet.
I'm sure there is something as to an ear/s.

Are you a pest control person? Just curious.

How bout Jeremiah 6:10?

http://biblehub.com/jeremiah/6-10.htm

Jeremiah 6:10?
To whom do I speak, and testify, and they hear? Behold! their ear is uncircumcised, And they are not able to attend.
Behold! a word of Jehovah hath been to them for a reproach, They delight not in it.

Acts 7:51
'Ye stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and in ears! ye do always the Holy Spirit resist; as your fathers -- also ye;

Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of the tormenting of Them is ascending into Ages to-Ages.





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[bugkiller]

Jer 31:31-33 says the NEW Covenant is with the "House of Israel and the House of Judah" -- the people of God.
Heb 8:6-10 says the NEW Covenant is STILL with the "house of Israel and the house of Judah" -- the people of God.

So according to you one must be or become a Jew (Israeli). But then I read the Gospel of John and the historical book of Acts. So what is correct? the Bible or you?

Romans 2 say "HE is not a Jew who is one OUTWARDLY but he is a Jew who is one INWARDLY" -- the people of God.

Once again you seem to think the only people of God are Jews (Israeli).

Rom 2
27 And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a transgressor of the Law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

Is 66:23 the Sabbath is for "ALL MANKIND" according to the text.

Nope!!!!

Mark 2:27 "The Sabbath was made FOR MANKIND not mankind MADE for the Sabbath" speaking of Creation WEEK - Bible Sabbath.

Sure if you take it as a stand alone text out of context which is pretext or eisegesis called opinion.

Those who "imagine" that not-taking God's name in vain -- (A commandment never quoted in the NT) is not for Christians - have imagined a vain thing.

For all eternity - after the cross -

Is 66:23 " FROM Sabbath to Sabbath shall all MANKIND come before Me to worship"

But nothing about on the Sabbath.

Gen 2
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made

God blessed what?

Ex 20:8,11 Remember the Sabbath day to KEEP it holy..
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sbbath day and made it holy.

That doesn't make the Genesis reference 7th day the Sabbath.

Is 56

2 “How blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who takes hold of it;
Who keeps from profaning the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”
3 Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the Lord say,
“The Lord will surely separate me from His people.”
Nor let the eunuch say, “Behold, I am a dry tree.”
..
6 “Also the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord,
To minister to Him, and to love the name of the Lord,
To be His servants, every one who keeps from profaning the Sabbath
And holds fast My covenant;

What covenant is the verse talking about? It can't be the NC. You also have pronouns and general nouns miss assigned.

Mark 2:27 "The Sabbath was MADE for MANKIND - not mankind MADE for the Sabbath" speaking of the MAKING of both in Gen 1-2:3

Nope! Please explain why God waited some 5,000 years or so to make this contradictory statement to Israel. Remember Jesus is speaking to Jews.

"Abraham obeyed Me and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes and My laws.” Gen 26:5
In Gen 6 and 7 clean and unclean animals distinguished but the "details" of how to tell them apart come in Lev 11 -

"Every word ever spoken before the flood is not written down in the first 6 chapters of Genesis" -- those chapters are wayy too short.

in Christ,

Bob

As typical you refuse to listen to Moses when he said Abraham didn't have the covenant law given to Israel alone. Abraham isn't an Israeli even though he was circumcised.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

It means that gentiles and Jews are spiritual Jews if they serve God instead of choosing to rebel against God.

Romans is written to the church in Rome - that had both Jews and gentiles.

Romans 2:29 says that gentiles are accounted as Jews - if they obey rather than rebel - this then is a rebuke to Jews - who are counted as Gentiles in that case.

For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly,

Marlarkey!!!

bugkiller

 

[Xalith]

So what exactly is this thread even about? Whether or not we should keep the Sabbath, or whether or not the Sabbath is Sunday, or if we should worship on Sunday?

Well.....

1). Does the Ten Commandments still apply? YES, because Paul lists the people who will not enter Heaven, and if you notice, 9 out of the 10 commandments are mentioned in his various epistles, and he says very clearly to follow 9 out of the 10 commandments (the Sabbath being the only one he doesn't explicitly mention).

2). Should we keep the Sabbath? The 10th Commandment is this: Exodus 20:8: "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy." Note that He does NOT say "Thou shalt not do work on the Sabbath Day" (that was in Leviticus, in Mosaic Law which is something else altogether). So, should we "Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it Holy?" YES. There's no reason we shouldn't do that which is pleasing to God. We should remember the Sabbath and we should indeed treat it holy. How do you do that? Whatever you want to do. Read the Bible a bit extra. Pray more. Worship more. Receive Communion if you don't do it daily already. Do something "more" for God on Sabbath, to show appreciation for Him and the Rest that He offers. Set aside one day, make it holier than the rest.

3). Is the Sabbath Sunday? NO.

The Sabbath is NOT Sunday. Sorry, Sunday Christians, the Sabbath was NOT Sunday, nor was it ever Sunday. It's actually Saturday. How do I know this? Here's an easy test. Christ was crucified on Good Friday, right? The Bible states in John 19:31 that the Jews requested that the Romans break the legs of the people on the crosses because Sabbath was the next day and they wanted those people dead and down off the crosses before the Sabbath came.

And if that doesn't nail it down, this should: John 20:1 says that "In the First Day of the Week" (which is, to this day, Sunday), Mary discovered the tomb was empty.

So we can lay this to rest: Sabbath is NOT Sunday, but Saturday.

Now, one last question:

4). Should we worship on Sunday? Depends. Are you worshipping on Sunday because you think that Sunday is the Sabbath? Then please stop doing that. Worship on Saturday instead. Are you worshipping on Sunday because Sunday is the Day of Resurrection, and you are celebrating Christ's resurrection from the dead? Then by all means, keep doing that! But please don't forget about the Sabbath, and how it was made holy before Christ walked the Earth in a physical body.

Christ healed on the Sabbath and instructed His disciples to pick corn on the Sabbath, saying that the Man was not made for the Sabbath, but the Sabbath was made for Man and that necessary tasks may be performed on the Sabbath.

This means that if you work a job that requires you to work on Saturday, and you don't really have a choice in the matter, then the best thing to do, is to say a few extra prayers or read a few extra chapters of the Bible on Saturday and instead commit another day in the week to be your rest day instead.

The whole point of the Sabbath is to give 1 day out of 7 for spiritual rest from all of your activities. If Saturday rest is not possible for you, then give another day instead. God will understand. He obviously knows that in the society of the 20th century, having EVERYBODY resting from work, including doctors, police, military, etc is just not possible. He knows that modern society cannot exist like that.

 

[BobRyan]

So what exactly is this thread even about? Whether or not we should keep the Sabbath, or whether or not the Sabbath is Sunday, or if we should worship on Sunday?

Well.....

This thread is about the fact that all TEN of God's TEN Commandments are still valid - still applicable and that even a great many of the pro-sunday scholars, documents, Bible teachers admit to this Bible detail. As we see on page 1 of this thread.

1). Does the Ten Commandments still apply? YES, because Paul lists the people who will not enter Heaven, and if you notice, 9 out of the 10 commandments are mentioned in his various epistles, and he says very clearly to follow 9 out of the 10 commandments

Correct. The only one of the Ten Commandments never listed or quoted even in part in the NT is "do not take the name of the Lord Thy God in vain".

Does that mean that we are free to do that sin once we get to the NT? -- No because there is no such mythical rule in the Bible as "whatever is not repeated must be deleted".

By contrast for the weekly Sabbath we have

"There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God" Heb 4

"The Sabbath was MADE for mankind" Mark 2:27

We have the Sabbath Commandment quoted in part
in Rev 14:7 as part of the "everlasting Gospel" and Acts 17 on Mars Hill preaching the Gospel to pagans.

We have "Sabbath after Sabbath" gospel sermons to both gentiles and Jews - in Acts 13, Acts 17:1-5, Acts 18:1-6.. - in the synagogues.

We have scripture preached "every Sabbath in the Synagogues" as a "Solution" to the problem of disputes about whether believing Gentiles need to be circumcised in Acts 15.

We have Eph 6:2 telling us that the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" -- which only works if one is talking about the Ten Commandments as a unit of Law - because it is not the first promise in the books of Moses, nor in the NT.

2). Should we keep the Sabbath? The 10th Commandment is this: Exodus 20:8: "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy." Note that He does NOT say "Thou shalt not do work on the Sabbath Day" (that was in Leviticus, in Mosaic Law which is something else altogether). So, should we "Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it Holy?" YES. There's no reason we shouldn't do that which is pleasing to God. We should remember the Sabbath and we should indeed treat it holy.

And as Is 66:23 points out "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to bow down" - speaking of all eternity after the cross - in the New Earth - when all mankind is serving God rather than divided as we are today.

3). Is the Sabbath Sunday? NO.

The Sabbath is NOT Sunday. Sorry, Sunday Christians, the Sabbath was NOT Sunday, nor was it ever Sunday. It's actually Saturday. How do I know this? Here's an easy test. Christ was crucified on Good Friday, right? The Bible states in John 19:31 that the Jews requested that the Romans break the legs of the people on the crosses because Sabbath was the next day and they wanted those people dead and down off the crosses before the Sabbath came.

Good point. This thread does not deal with that particular subject very much - but that is certainly true.

 

[BobRyan]

The OT shows that the ten commandments were to
Israel/the Hebrews.

Jer 31:31-33 says the NEW Covenant is with the "House of Israel and the House of Judah" -- the people of God.
Heb 8:6-10 says the NEW Covenant is STILL with the "house of Israel and the house of Judah" -- the people of God.

Romans 2 say "HE is not a Jew who is one OUTWARDLY but he is a Jew who is one INWARDLY" -- the people of God.

Rom 2
27 And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a transgressor of the Law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

Is 66:23 the Sabbath is for "ALL MANKIND" according to the text.

Mark 2:27 "The Sabbath was made FOR MANKIND not mankind MADE for the Sabbath" speaking of Creation WEEK - Bible Sabbath.

Those who "imagine" that not-taking God's name in vain -- (A commandment never quoted in the NT) is not for Christians - have imagined a vain thing.

For all eternity - after the cross -

Is 66:23 " FROM Sabbath to Sabbath shall all MANKIND come before Me to worship"

Gen 2
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made

Ex 20:8,11 Remember the Sabbath day to KEEP it holy..
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sbbath day and made it holy.

Is 56

2 “How blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who takes hold of it;
Who keeps from profaning the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”
3 Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the Lord say,
“The Lord will surely separate me from His people.”
Nor let the eunuch say, “Behold, I am a dry tree.”
..
6 “Also the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord,
To minister to Him, and to love the name of the Lord,
To be His servants, every one who keeps from profaning the Sabbath
And holds fast My covenant;

Mark 2:27 "The Sabbath was MADE for MANKIND - not mankind MADE for the Sabbath" speaking of the MAKING of both in Gen 1-2:3

God rested on the 7th day. I don't see where
He gave rules to man at that time

"Abraham obeyed Me and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes and My laws.” Gen 26:5
In Gen 6 and 7 clean and unclean animals distinguished but the "details" of how to tell them apart come in Lev 11 -

"Every word ever spoken before the flood is not written down in the first 6 chapters of Genesis" -- those chapters are wayy too short.

======================

When I quote certain parts of the Bible - some people will respond as if I am the author of it - asking why I wrote it.

Notice these texts showing us that believing gentiles are accounted as the people of God - spiritual Jews.

Jer 31:31-33 says the NEW Covenant is with the "House of Israel and the House of Judah" -- the people of God.
Heb 8:6-10 says the NEW Covenant is STILL with the "house of Israel and the house of Judah" -- the people of God.

Romans 2 say "HE is not a Jew who is one OUTWARDLY but he is a Jew who is one INWARDLY" -- the people of God.

Rom 2
27 And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a transgressor of the Law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

So according to you one must be or become a Jew (Israeli).

According to those that read that part of the Bible?

But then I read the Gospel of John and the historical book of Acts.

And do they reject/contradict Romans 2? Jer 31:31-33, Hebrews 8:6-10??

So what is correct? the Bible or you?

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And there you have it -- I have somehow become the author of texts someone wants to reject.

 

[bugkiller]

This thread is about the fact that all TEN of God's TEN Commandments are still valid - still applicable and that even a great many of the pro-sunday scholars, documents, Bible teachers admit to this Bible detail. As we see on page 1 of this thread.

If one reads the NT, I fail to see how you can make such a statement.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

This thread is about the fact that all TEN of God's TEN Commandments are still valid - still applicable and that even a great many of the pro-sunday scholars, documents, Bible teachers admit to this Bible detail. As we see on page 1 of this thread.



Correct. The only one of the Ten Commandments never listed or quoted even in part in the NT is "do not take the name of the Lord Thy God in vain".

So please quote the passage where the 4th is quoted in the NT.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

This thread is about the fact that all TEN of God's TEN Commandments are still valid - still applicable and that even a great many of the pro-sunday scholars, documents, Bible teachers admit to this Bible detail. As we see on page 1 of this thread.



Correct. The only one of the Ten Commandments never listed or quoted even in part in the NT is "do not take the name of the Lord Thy God in vain".

Does that mean that we are free to do that sin once we get to the NT? -- No because there is no such mythical rule in the Bible as "whatever is not repeated must be deleted".

By contrast for the weekly Sabbath we have

"There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God" Heb 4

"The Sabbath was MADE for mankind" Mark 2:27

We have the Sabbath Commandment quoted in part
in Rev 14:7 as part of the "everlasting Gospel" and Acts 17 on Mars Hill preaching the Gospel to pagans.

We have "Sabbath after Sabbath" gospel sermons to both gentiles and Jews - in Acts 13, Acts 17:1-5, Acts 18:1-6.. - in the synagogues.

We have scripture preached "every Sabbath in the Synagogues" as a "Solution" to the problem of disputes about whether believing Gentiles need to be circumcised in Acts 15.

Not a single quote above is the 4th commandment. The only connection is the word Sabbath appears in the quote.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Jer 31:31-33 says the NEW Covenant is with the "House of Israel and the House of Judah" -- the people of God.
Heb 8:6-10 says the NEW Covenant is STILL with the "house of Israel and the house of Judah" -- the people of God.

Romans 2 say "HE is not a Jew who is one OUTWARDLY but he is a Jew who is one INWARDLY" -- the people of God.

Rom 2
27 And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a transgressor of the Law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

Is 66:23 the Sabbath is for "ALL MANKIND" according to the text.

Mark 2:27 "The Sabbath was made FOR MANKIND not mankind MADE for the Sabbath" speaking of Creation WEEK - Bible Sabbath.

Those who "imagine" that not-taking God's name in vain -- (A commandment never quoted in the NT) is not for Christians - have imagined a vain thing.

For all eternity - after the cross -

Is 66:23 " FROM Sabbath to Sabbath shall all MANKIND come before Me to worship"

Gen 2
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made

Ex 20:8,11 Remember the Sabbath day to KEEP it holy..
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sbbath day and made it holy.

Is 56

2 “How blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who takes hold of it;
Who keeps from profaning the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”
3 Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the Lord say,
“The Lord will surely separate me from His people.”
Nor let the eunuch say, “Behold, I am a dry tree.”
..
6 “Also the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord,
To minister to Him, and to love the name of the Lord,
To be His servants, every one who keeps from profaning the Sabbath
And holds fast My covenant;

Mark 2:27 "The Sabbath was MADE for MANKIND - not mankind MADE for the Sabbath" speaking of the MAKING of both in Gen 1-2:3



"Abraham obeyed Me and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes and My laws.” Gen 26:5
In Gen 6 and 7 clean and unclean animals distinguished but the "details" of how to tell them apart come in Lev 11 -

"Every word ever spoken before the flood is not written down in the first 6 chapters of Genesis" -- those chapters are wayy too short.

======================

When I quote certain parts of the Bible - some people will respond as if I am the author of it - asking why I wrote it.

Notice these texts showing us that believing gentiles are accounted as the people of God - spiritual Jews.

Jer 31:31-33 says the NEW Covenant is with the "House of Israel and the House of Judah" -- the people of God.
Heb 8:6-10 says the NEW Covenant is STILL with the "house of Israel and the house of Judah" -- the people of God.

Romans 2 say "HE is not a Jew who is one OUTWARDLY but he is a Jew who is one INWARDLY" -- the people of God.

Rom 2
27 And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a transgressor of the Law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.




According to those that read that part of the Bible?



And do they reject/contradict Romans 2? Jer 31:31-33, Hebrews 8:6-10??




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And there you have it -- I have somehow become the author of texts someone wants to reject.

None of your references show gentiles become Jews in order to be saved.

Anyone reading the historical book of Acts will find this absolutely true. If Sabbath observance is proved by being in the synagogue you don't keep the Sabbath.

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

None of your references show gentiles become Jews in order to be saved.

None of my statements require that gentiles become part of the literal Jewish nation or be circumcised, or offer animal sacrifices after the cross - to be saved.

Details matter.

What is more the Bible is very... very clear on this point.
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Jer 31:31-33 says the NEW Covenant is with the "House of Israel and the House of Judah" -- the people of God.
Heb 8:6-10 says the NEW Covenant is STILL with the "house of Israel and the house of Judah" -- the people of God.

Romans 2 say "HE is not a Jew who is one OUTWARDLY but he is a Jew who is one INWARDLY" -- the people of God.

Rom 2
27 And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a transgressor of the Law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

Is 66:23 the Sabbath is for "ALL MANKIND" according to the text.

Mark 2:27 "The Sabbath was made FOR MANKIND not mankind MADE for the Sabbath" speaking of Creation WEEK - Bible Sabbath.

Those who "imagine" that not-taking God's name in vain -- (A commandment never quoted in the NT) is not for Christians - have imagined a vain thing.

For all eternity - after the cross -

Is 66:23 " FROM Sabbath to Sabbath shall all MANKIND come before Me to worship"

Gen 2
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made

Ex 20:8,11 Remember the Sabbath day to KEEP it holy..
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sbbath day and made it holy.

Is 56

2 “How blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who takes hold of it;
Who keeps from profaning the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”
3 Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the Lord say,
“The Lord will surely separate me from His people.”
Nor let the eunuch say, “Behold, I am a dry tree.”
..
6 “Also the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord,
To minister to Him, and to love the name of the Lord,
To be His servants, every one who keeps from profaning the Sabbath
And holds fast My covenant;

Mark 2:27 "The Sabbath was MADE for MANKIND - not mankind MADE for the Sabbath" speaking of the MAKING of both in Gen 1-2:3



in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

If one reads the NT, I fail to see how you can make such a statement.

bugkiller

Read the first page then - and don't skip the Bible texts.

 

[Jason Sanders]

Of course the Ten commandments are still valid. There is a difference, you see, between what is commonly called "The Ten Commandments" and the actual Judaic "Law"- The Law was a series of 613 statutes that all Jews had to obey in order to be seen in right standing with God, whereas the Ten Commandments were ten specific things the Lord had pointed out that stood out as things to seriously not do (chief among them worshipping any god other than the one true God). Just because we no longer have to follow all 613 Laws of the old covenant doesn't mean that the Ten Commandments are invalid. It is still a sin to murder someone, just as it is still a sin to cheat on your wife or steal or bow down to a satanic idol. God can, will, and has forgiven all these things through the Cross, but that doesn't mean you should just go out and do whatever you want because "you're forgiven." That just proves you're still deceived.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Of course the Ten commandments are still valid. There is a difference, you see, between what is commonly called "The Ten Commandments" and the actual Judaic "Law"- The Law was a series of 613 statutes that all Jews had to obey in order to be seen in right standing with God, whereas the Ten Commandments were ten specific things the Lord had pointed out that stood out as things to seriously not do (chief among them worshipping any god other than the one true God). Just because we no longer have to follow all 613 Laws of the old covenant doesn't mean that the Ten Commandments are invalid. It is still a sin to murder someone, just as it is still a sin to cheat on your wife or steal or bow down to a satanic idol. God can, will, and has forgiven all these things through the Cross, but that doesn't mean you should just go out and do whatever you want because "you're forgiven." That just proves you're still deceived.

Show me in the New Testament where the 10 commandments are valid upon Gentile Christians. Please include scripture the shows the Sabbath commandment (part of the 10 commandments) is binding upon anyone but Jews who are under Mosaic Law.

 

[PsychoeDial]

[FONT=&quot]Are God's Ten Commandments still valid ??

That is the primary question to be answered on this section of the board.

And the irrefutable response from scripture is ... "yes".

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Here we have the NT text providing examples from the TEN Commandments -- affirming them as "still" valid.

And of course scripture is -- true.

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Matt 19
And someone came to Him and said;Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life 17 And He said to him, Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments; 18 Then he *said to Him, Which ones? And Jesus said,
You shall not commit murder;
You shall not commit adultery;
You shall not steal;
You shall not bear false witness;
19 Honor your father and mother;
and
You shall love your neighbor as yourself


"what matters is Keeping the Commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19


Matt 5
17 Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


"do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31

What law? The Law that condemns all mankind as sinners -

Rom 3
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

That same law - same chapter

"do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31

Note Paul says in Romans 3 that this is the Law that defines sin and condemns the entire world as sinners... that would not be "the Law about Passover". That does not condemn gentiles at all.
.
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The context in Romans 3 is not Psalms but rather the LAW that condemns all mankind under sin.

Which I think even you will admit is not simply the Psalms - but the TEN Commandments written on stone the "LAW of death" as Paul calls it in 2Cor 3.

2 Cor 3
7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away ==============================

(So then the moral law of God is being affirmed by all of scripture "the Law and the Prophets" a term that specifies all of OT "scripture")

Matt 22 "On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.

Luke 16:16 "The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it."

Any part of scripture read could fall under that title.

Acts 13:15 And after the reading of the Law and the Prophets, the rulers of the synagogue sent to them, saying, Men and brethren, if you have any word of exhortation for the people, say on.

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Rom 7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.


Rom 13
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Thou shalt not covet;

and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.


James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, ou shall love your neighbor as yourself, (Lev 19:18) you are doing well.
9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
11 For He who said, [/FONT]
Do not commit adultery
also said,
Do not commit murder.
Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty

In short response to the first of your question, are the ten commandments still valid, of course they are. Jesus even said as much in his ministry. So too is the Sabbath the same day as that which Jesus celebrated. There's not a single scripture that changes that to Sunday.

I'd advise a different trajectory in a thread this long and full of conflict personalities.

What do you actually have to prove or defend against those opposed to the inspired written words of God? God said it! That's for longer than either of us have been alive what the Bible was seen to be. The inspired words of God.
Who argues that's a lie is a liar. Plain and simple.

What do you have to prove? What do any Christians here have to prove? Those who want to change your mind about the inspired words of God being so working so hard to get you and other Christians here to concede the Bible isn't so?
And if you keep the Bible Sabbath and they object to the point of making it a debate or argument? Think about what they're actually doing there. They're trying to tell you not to obey the scriptures that define the Sabbath day as God decreed.
Argue with that? Seriously? They're not actually debating or arguing with you you know. They're arguing with God.
Same with those who claim the moral laws no longer apply. Can you imagine their lifestyle? Thou shalt not murder, lie, commit adultery, steal. But maybe they can argue against God and those moral ten because they're telling you up front when they claim the sacred ten no longer apply that they don't believe the first commandment.
Exodus 20:3: “You shall have no other gods before Me.” It tells us to put God first.

When you meet someone that tells you they don't believe they must put God first the conversation is over isn't it? What can you argue with people that believe that? When they follow up with telling you God's Sabbath no longer applies. Of course it wouldn't! To them! Because for them the ten commandments, keeping that first one first, no longer apply.

Get it brother? You're arguing with people who are telling you they don't believe in God!

And they want you to defend why you do.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Get it brother? You're arguing with people who are telling you they don't believe in God!

And they want you to defend why you do.

Who are you accusing here of not believing in God? Is it those people who are claiming that we don't have to keep the Sabbath Day?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Of course the Ten commandments are still valid. There is a difference, you see, between what is commonly called "The Ten Commandments" and the actual Judaic "Law"- The Law was a series of 613 statutes that all Jews had to obey in order to be seen in right standing with God, whereas the Ten Commandments were ten specific things the Lord had pointed out that stood out as things to seriously not do (chief among them worshipping any god other than the one true God). Just because we no longer have to follow all 613 Laws of the old covenant doesn't mean that the Ten Commandments are invalid.

It is still a sin to murder someone, just as it is still a sin to cheat on your wife or steal or bow down to a satanic idol. God can, will, and has forgiven all these things through the Cross, but that doesn't mean you should just go out and do whatever you want because "you're forgiven." That just proves you're still deceived.

Yep.........

Luke 18:20
The commandments thou hast known, no thou should be committing adultery, no thou should be murdering/foneushV <5407> (5661), no thou should be stealing, no thou should be bearing false witness. Be honouring thy father and thy mother.

Matthew 23:35
"So-that may be coming upon ye all just blood being poured out upon the land, from the blood of Abel the Righteous-one, to the blood of Zacharias, son of Barachias, whom ye murder/efoneusate <5407> (5656) between the sanctuary and the altar

James 5:6
Ye condemn, ye Murder/efoneusate <5407> (5656) the Righteous-One, not He is resisting to Ye.

Revelation 9:
20 The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, so as not to worship demons, and the idols of gold and of silver and of brass and of stone and of wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk;
21 and they did not repent of their murders nor of their sorceries nor of their immorality nor of their thefts.

http://www.bible.ca/pre-destruction70AD-george-holford-1805AD.htm

Of the Jews destroyed during the siege, Josephus reckons not less than ONE MILLION AND ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND, to which must be added, above TWO-HUNDRED AND THIRTY-SEVEN THOUSAND who perished in other places, and innumerable multitudes who were swept away by famine, and pestilence, and of which no calculation could be made. Not less than two thousand laid violent hands upon themselves. Of the captives the whole was about NINETY-SEVEN THOUSAND.....
In executing the command of Titus, relative to the demolition of Jerusalem, the Roman soldiers not only threw down the buildings, but even dug up their foundations, and so completely levelled the whole circuit of the city, that a stranger would scarcely have known that it had ever been inhabited by human beings.



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