Why do Christians have trouble with accepting Evolution?

[EastCoastRemnant]

Hi hieronymus,

Well, let's discuss this point of view. Why did Eve eat the fruit?

She was curious. She wanted more knowledge than God gave her. She saw the fruit, that it was pleasing to the eye and likely said to herself, "I wonder what it's like?"

Now, I hate to go to this place, but I feel compelled to offer this as an explanation. The reason I hate to go to this place is that I just know without a doubt there be an uproar against me and claims that I'm some fundamentalist, head in the sand believer, but...

What is science? It is man's gathering of evidence to find explanations for the natural that God hasn't given us. People say that God gave us a mind and expected us to use it. Really? Isn't that exactly what Eve did? She studied the fruit and questioned how it could be so pleasing and wanted to get the answer to her question.

Yes, we live in a world that enjoys a lot of seemingly wonderful things that the various sciences have given us, but...

Is that really why God created us? That He wanted us to spend all our time and devote all our attention to trying to figure out how everything works? I'm not so sure.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

Great point Ted... it was said of the antideluvians that there minds thought evil continually. To me that suggests exactly what you have stated here... man, left to his own wisdom and curiosity, will adulterate what God intended.

 

[Hoghead1]

Faith, what does any of your post have to do with the discussion here?

 

[Extraneous]

I love my pastor, and I think he is great company to keep! C.S. Lewis ain't bad company either! Billy Graham (who is just about more passionate and more successful in reaching souls than anyone last century) ain't half bad either.

I have no idea if those men believe that man evolved from prehistoric apes, but i know that Paul teaches us to have no divisions, and to mind spiritual things instead of mans contentious politics and fallible scientific theories. I dont understand why people would rather have division than unity. Unity is not simply agreeing to disagree, but is agreeing on all things. Its to mind Christ and Him alone, because in that there is no disagreement. Its politics, science, and denominations, that start disagreements, because they glory in man instead of God alone. THey glory in teachers, and power, and education, rather than the spirit. Christ and Christ alone is all that matters and all that can bring true unity, rather than false unity.

 

[Faith77]

There are no links to any mutations that causes one kind to evolve into another... your idea that different fossil remains shows us evidence of mutation is conjecture and not evidence. You didn't see them mutate into different kinds, you just believed what the 'experts' said they did.



Hows about believing what the Bible teaches, that God formed all the animals and man on the sixth day...

Faith, what does any of your post have to do with the discussion here?

They've all been replies to specific posts.

 

[Extraneous]

It was indeed a lost cause, but sin nourished by pride makes people stupid.

Division, strife and contention, found in politics, science and denomination, this makes people smart?

 

[Hoghead1]

Extraneous, Paul did not at all mean anything like that. Paul never said a thing about science, because there wasn't any at the time. Unity in the Spirit dos not mean we all think alike, it means unity in diversity. It's the diversity part that you seem to have trouble with.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

You are right about the scripture, it teaches a 6 day, young earth creation, then God killed everybody and everything except a 600 year old Jewish ancestor and his family along with every living thing that, after a year of waiting for the water to disappear, rapidly repopulated the earth. It teaches that Noah's descendants became other races.

Returning now to the real world outside of scripture, the reason that seashells are found on top of mountains is because those mountain peaks used to be ocean floor before being elevated over long periods of time by way of the process of subduction.

You should google "hydroplate theory" to get an understanding of what likely happened during the flood. It was a sudden, catastrophic event that change the face of the earth.

The Bible does say that the waters covered the highest mountain, although the craggy peaks we see today were not the mountains that were pre-flood.

 

[Colter]

Sure sounds like you have gone from the frying pan to the skillet (from one human problem as you describe it, to another source of human knowledge). Good luck.

The bible is also a lot of human conjecture that became sacred and eventually elevated to God as the writer. Paul write letter, a lil while later the church said "hey, God wrote that to".

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Extraneous, I would hope you and others would take me seriously. But I can't force you to. If you don't want to, then that's your problem. I would also appreciate it if you presented some evidence to back some of your claims here. I am interested in exploring what working assumptions you bring to Scripture, what lens you are viewing Scripture through, and how solid it is.

That's not what you said a few posts ago.... something about not taking "the laity" seriously, as you seemed to know better through your man given educational prowess.

 

[Hoghead1]

Extraneous, you are assuming that teachers and educators aren't moved by the Spirit. That is an illegitimate assumption on your part.

 

[Hieronymus]

Extraneous, you are assuming that teachers and educators aren't moved by the Spirit. That is an illegitimate assumption on your part.

It's a disgrace.
There ought to be a law.

 

[Hieronymus]

The bible is also a lot of human conjecture that became sacred and eventually elevated to God as the writer.

Where do you get all this wisdom from?

Paul write letter, a lil while later the church said "hey, God wrote that to".

You have found the audio tape?

 

[Extraneous]

The bible is also a lot of human conjecture that became sacred and eventually elevated to God as the writer. Paul write letter, a lil while later the church said "hey, God wrote that to".

No, Paul wrote spiritual truth that was given to him from God. Your love for a fallible theory (ToE) and dislike for scripture are blinding you to truth. You think that pauls letters are just letters? THe man was one of the last apostles. HIs words are worth more than any scientist or theologian. Not because he was an apostle, but because he spoke truth and no lies. This however cannot be said of other men. The fact that you treat that truth like trash, and a fallible theory like ToE with great reverence, that shows where your heart is at. I would recommend admitting this to God and asking for His help. HE will surely help.


1 Timothy 2:7 for which I was appointed a preacher and an apostle—I am speaking the truth in Christ and not lying—a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.

 

[ScottA]

The bible is also a lot of human conjecture that became sacred and eventually elevated to God as the writer. Paul write letter, a lil while later the church said "hey, God wrote that to".

Why then would you go from that to more words written by men...while claiming to know something more or better, when it is just more conjecture by men?

 

[Extraneous]

Unity in the Spirit dos not mean we all think alike, it means unity in diversity. It's the diversity part that you seem to have trouble with.

No, you are incorrect and teaching a lie. You are twisting Pauls words, just as Peter said people would.

 

[Hoghead1]

That's true, EastCoast, I don't take lay opinions are definitive. They are interesting to review and be aware of, but no scholar is going to let them direct his or her work. It seems to me the epitome of hubris when laity think they know the material far better than the people working in the fields they wish to criticize. When Michelangelo was painting, there was a guy who would come in and give him directions and criticize his work, etc. One day, Michelangelo had enough of this backseat driver and punched him out. Bravo, Michelangelo! Same thing holds for those of us working in science and biblical studies. Also, my education wasn't completely "mad made." I felt moved by the Spirit to study theology and really learn and free myself from the tyranny of laity and unqualified judgments coming from unqualified people. Now, I have nothing against laity. However, I don't think they are qualified to sit in judgment on science, biblical studies, theology, and related areas.

 

[Hoghead1]

Hier, it appears a disgrace to you because scholars do not agree with your opinions. But who says your opinions arte right or better? What education and qualifications can you show that makes your opinions superior to what scientists and other scholars think?

 

[Faith77]

I have no idea if those men believe that man evolved from prehistoric apes, but i know that Paul teaches us to have no divisions, and to mind spiritual things instead of mans contentious politics and fallible scientific theories. I dont understand why people would rather have division than unity. Unity is not simply agreeing to disagree, but is agreeing on all things. Its to mind Christ and Him alone, because in that there is no disagreement. Its politics, science, and denominations, that start disagreements, because they glory in man instead of God alone. THey glory in teachers, and power, and education, rather than the spirit. Christ and Christ alone is all that matters and all that can bring true unity, rather than false unity.

Yes, Extraneous, those men had no problems with evolution (but not the idea that man evolved from prehistoric apes since that's not what evolution is about, as has been clarified many times), and they probably can't understand why people don't want to agree with them, but the Bible does suggest that we are to live in peace, *as much as is possible*, given that we can't force others to agree with us. My point is that the argument that only atheists (and people who are "bad company") believe in evolution is false. One cannot claim to be a seeker of truth and keep repeating falsehoods.

 

[Extraneous]

Folks, Hoghead has declared that Division is not wrong, just ignore Paul's words, all we need to do is put the ol' pharisee legalistic spin on it, and just "agree to disagree".

Thats how you make Gods command void through tradition. Its a family tradition to follow our fathers..

Just ignore those pesky letters to the 7 churches in Asia as well folks, Hoghead said that diversity is good. We dont need to all agree on everything, as long as we are united in disagreement.

 

[Extraneous]

Yes, Extraneous, those men had no problems with evolution (but not the idea that man evolved from prehistoric apes since that's not what evolution is about, as has been clarified many times), and they probably can't understand why people don't want to agree with them, but the Bible does suggest that we are to live in peace, *as much as is possible*, given that we can't force others to agree with us. My point is that the argument that only atheists (and people who are "bad company") believe in evolution is false. One cannot claim to be a seeker of truth and keep repeating falsehoods.

Theory of "evolution" is not about how man "evolved " from prehistoric apes? Its getting deep in here folks.