Why do Christians have trouble with accepting Evolution?

[EastCoastRemnant]

The Bible books and the Urantia Book.

Thanx for your candor, I can now understand your viewpoint although I cannot agree with your beliefs...

From Wiki....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Urantia_Book

The Urantia Book "aims to unite religion, science and philosophy..."

Some differences with Christianity include:

• Jesus' crucifixion is not considered an atonement for the sins of humanity.[68] The crucifixion is taught to be an outcome of the fears of religious leaders of the day, who regarded his teachings as a threat to their positions of authority.
• Jesus is considered the human incarnation of "Michael of Nebadon," one of more than 700,000 "Paradise Sons" of God, or "Creator Sons." Jesus is not considered the second person of the Trinity as he is in Christianity. The book refers to the Eternal Son as the second person of the Trinity.[86]
• Jesus was born on earth through natural means of conception instead of a virgin birth.[87]
• Jesus did not walk on water or perform some of the miracles that are attributed to him in the Bible.[88]

It seems that it is an iteration of Mormonism, as far as I can tell.

 

[Extraneous]

Yes, Extraneous, conflict does make us stronger. The Bible says that we should be as iron upon iron, sharpening one another. Conflicts provide golden opportunities for each side to sharpen up.

No Hoghead, hardship makes us stronger but conflict between brethren makes us unfruitful. The world is the enemy that causes us hardship, not each other. You are saying that the tares are the wheat? As usual you twist absolutely everything.

 

[Hoghead1]

It appears that way to you, Extraneous, because I am coming out of the academic world of biblical scholarship. Your views and opinions were not founded on any solid scholarly basis and therefore are way off the mark.

 

[Hoghead1]

Why then, pray tell, Extraneous, are you concerned with worldly matters such as creation and evolution? Also, I do not think Paul's teaching should be abused and turned into an excuse for intolerance so that we all have to think alike, like mindless preprogrammed robots.

 

[Hoghead1]

Extraneous, humans are definitely not apes according to science. Where did you get that idea?

 

[Colter]

God Himself said they were his chosen people, and you are calling Gods own word arrogant.

They were predicted to inhabit the land known as Israel, being selected went to their heads, they rejected their calling and were un-chosen. The complete redaction of their history is when they began calling themselves "chosen people" and you a Gentile dog. I don't believe God thinks you are a dog.

 

[Hoghead1]

Speak for yourself, Extraneous. It maybe makes you unfruitful, but that's because you do not know how to profit from it.

 

[Extraneous]

It appears that way to you, Extraneous, because I am coming out of the academic world of biblical scholarship. Your views and opinions were not founded on any solid scholarly basis and therefore are way off the mark.

Iron sharpening Iron means to correct each other when we are wrong, it doesnt mean to agree to disagree. You see how you have completely twisted its meaning, and made it mean the exact opposite of its true meaning?

You claim to have credentials, but so did the false teachers that Paul rebuked. HE said that his flock was his credentials, and were written on the hearts of his flock. Seeing how you twist everything, and accuse others of doing the same things you also do, then i'll take that as a letter in your heart, that testifies to the false doctrine you learned in the school of whatever it was you learned.

 

[Extraneous]

Speak for yourself, Extraneous. It maybe makes you unfruitful, but that's because you do not know how to profit from it.

Yes, causing others to stumble is profitable according to you, although Paul said it was a sin against Christ. You have some really twisted doctrine. Good is bad and bad is good.

Woe unto them who call bad good, and good bad

 

[Extraneous]

I question your understanding, Extraneous, because you don't quite grasp who the Pharisees were. They followed the OT laws to the letter. The problem Christ had with them is that they were unloving. The letter killeth the spirit.

You should be questioning your own flawed understanding. No one is saying we must follow the letter of the Law, just obey the commands of Christ and His apostles.

 

[Extraneous]

They were predicted to inhabit the land known as Israel, being selected went to their heads, they rejected their calling and were un-chosen. The complete redaction of their history is when they began calling themselves "chosen people" and you a Gentile dog. I don't believe God thinks you are a dog.

Many people, beside Jews, think im a dog. Thats nothing exclusive to Jews. THe Jews were not unchosen, but rather the ones who were circumcised in heart are the true Jews.

 

[Luke17:37]

Lucifer knew his creator/brother, The Son of God, but like us, many beings in the celestial world also live by faith in the unseen Father of Paradise. It was the Universal Father that Lucifer lost faith in. He then launched his "war in heaven" against Christ Michael. It was indeed a lost cause, but sin nourished by pride makes people stupid.

1. Lucifer is NOT the brother of Christ. Lucifer is a created being--an angel (Ps. 104:4). Christ is the eternal Creator (John 1:1-3, 14; Micah 5:2).

2. Lucifer didn't lose faith in the Father. He believes in Him and interacts wth Him (see Job 1). He just grew in hubris until he wanted to receive worship instead of worshiping God (Isaiah 14:12-14).

3. Christ is NOT Michael and Michael is NOT Christ. Christ is divine. Michael is an angel (Jude 9).

4. "Sin nourished by pride makes people stupid." We agree on something!

 

[Colter]

Many people, beside Jews, think im a dog. Thats nothing exclusive to Jews. THe Jews were not unchosen, but rather the ones who were circumcised in heart are the true Jews.

37"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. 38"Behold, your house is being left to you desolate!39"For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me until you say, 'BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD!'"

 

[Colter]

1. Lucifer is NOT the brother of Christ. Lucifer is a created being--an angel (Ps. 104:4). Christ is the eternal Creator (John 1:1-3, 14; Micah 5:2).

2. Lucifer didn't lose faith in the Father. He believes in Him and interacts wth Him (see Job 1). He just grew in hubris until he wanted to receive worship instead of worshiping God (Isaiah 14:12-14).

3. Christ is NOT Michael and Michael is NOT Christ. Christ is divine. Michael is an angel (Jude 9).

4. "Sin nourished by pride makes people stupid." We agree on something!

Michael is the Sons heavenly name, John saw that in his vision that can be seen in the book of revelation.

If Lucifer really knew God he would have stayed loyal to him.

Lucifer was more than an angel, he was a Son of God. We are all sons and daughters of God. Angels and other seriphim are a different type of created being.

 

[Luke17:37]

The wiki on the UB is fair, I often refer people to it. But one clerification, while Joseph and Mary were married when Jesus was conceived the natural way, the miracle was how the creator Son became the person of Marys child. It's a miracle known only among the councils of Paradise.

You would deny the virgin birth?

Luke 1:30-35
30 Then the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus. 32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. 33 And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”
34 Then Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I do not know a man?”
35 And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.

Isaiah 7:14
14 Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel.

 

[Extraneous]

37"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. 38"Behold, your house is being left to you desolate!39"For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me until you say, 'BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD!'"

Yet all those who followed Christ, the original Church, were Jews, not all of them rejected Christ. You also forget about the judgment against the gentile nations as well. Why do you and Hoghead twist every scripture? Look, paul says that some of the branches (Jews) were cut off, not all of them. Furthermore he commands us not to boast against those who were broken off, because that is being high minded.


Romans 11:1 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, 3 “Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”?4 But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Romans 11:17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, 18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.

19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.”20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.

 

[Luke17:37]

Michael is the Sons heavenly name, John saw that in his vision that can be seen in the book of revelation.

If Lucifer really knew God he would have stayed loyal to him.

Lucifer was more than an angel, he was a Son of God. We are all sons and daughters of God. Angels and other seriphim are a different type of created being.

You make up everything. You call Lucifer "a Son of God" right after denying Jesus that title because you say he is a son of a human father. Lucifer is an angel (Ezekiel 28:11-19).

 

[Colter]

You make up everything. You call Lucifer "a Son of God" right after denying Jesus that title because you say he is a son of a human father. Lucifer is an angel (Ezekiel 28:11-19).

No, you just don't get it. I said the Son of God incarnate miraculously as the child conceived by Joseph and Mary. The virgin birth story as well as the December 25 come from Pagan beliefs in the Roman world.

Let's get back to evolution.

 

[Colter]

Yet all those who followed Christ, the original Church, were Jews, not all of them rejected Christ. You also forget about the judgment against the gentile nations as well. Why do you and Hoghead twist every scripture? Look, paul says that some of the branches (Jews) were cut off, not all of them. Furthermore he commands us not to boast against those who were broken off, because that is being high minded.


Romans 11:1 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, 3 “Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”?4 But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Romans 11:17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, 18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.

19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.”20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.

Sure, some Jews followed Jesus, but the Jesus movement found acceptance largely in the West. Judaism has rejected Jesus ever since. How do you not know that? Besides, in the kingdom there is no Jew or Gentile, just children of God.

 

[Extraneous]

Sure, some Jews followed Jesus, but the Jesus movement found acceptance largely in the West. Judaism has rejected Jesus ever since. How do you not know that? Besides, in the kingdom there is no Jew or Gentile, just children of God.

I dont deny that, but even Christians can reject Jesus with there actions. Like God said, people honor me with their lips but their heart is far from me. Jesus also said do not store treasure on earth but in heaven, because where our treasure is, so is our heart. He also said why do you call me Lord and not do the things i say?

THe commands given by the apostles, even Paul, are the Lords commands. Paul says to put away division and have no divisions among us. This doesn't mean to agree to disagree because he also says to speak the same thing. That means we only speak what is agreed in Christ. We can honor God with our lips and we can call Jesus Lord, but if we would rather argue over a fallible scientific theory, politics, or a denomination, then we are not speaking the same thing and are not undivided. We are only paying lip service to God, but not honoring him with with our actions. This is because our heart is divided between God and carnal things. Our heart is far from him.

I guess im done with this debate. Im tired of incessant division, contention and worldly things. If people want to believe in evolution that's their business, but they should keep it to themselves and speak only the words of Christ and His apostles, because that's what paul commanded, that we all speak the same thing, and that we let the word of Christ dwell in us richly.