Why do Christians have trouble with accepting Evolution?

[Extraneous]

But is is good to seek evidence for God and the Bible content using the scientific method.
Reality is consistent with God's Word.

Perhaps, only to refute Atheistic notions of Gods creation, but if we reject the scriptures we reject God. Also, as Paul has said in Corinthians, unbelievers and believers have no agreement, therefore i cannot see how ToE is spiritual. The natural man cannot accept spiritual things so ToE is not spiritual. Our whole goal is to seek heaven not earth. Politics and science is a distraction from seeking the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Hieronymus]

Perhaps, only to refute Atheistic notions of Gods creation, but if we reject the scriptures we reject God.

Obviously.
You seem to suggest science (the gathering and understanding of evidence) is somehow opposed to God's Word.

 

[Extraneous]

Try the difficult path of having a relationship with God in the search for truth rather than the easier path of a relationship with a book.

Easy? Do you think its easy to stand against a world of atheistic scientists? Do you think its easy to follow scripture? No, its more easy to follow the flesh instead.

 

[Colter]

Hmmm....
I think it is, actually.
But there's no Scriptural evidence he rebelled before Genesis 3.
Otherwise he wouldn't be in Paradise.
...or am i mistaking?

Yepperdoodle! Isaiah saws Lucifer's fall in a vision. The crafty beast was working against Gods will already when he engaged Eve, he knew what Gods will was for Adam and Eve. "did God really say you must not".

Death was already on the earth, it's natural for man, BUT it wasn't for Adam and Eve, they lost their immortality as the result and could no longer partake of the "Tree of life". They became like one of us.

 

[Hieronymus]

=======sorry==========

 

[Nari]

Extraneous, I've grown up around Christianity and have lived in a Deep South state for nearly 20 years, and I don't believe I've ever heard "Christians shouldn't debate anything but theology".

 

[Extraneous]

Obviously.
You seem to suggest science (the gathering and understanding of evidence) is somehow opposed to God's Word.

No, that's not what im saying. Im saying that the love for this world is apposed to God, and that this world is controlled by satan. Only by separating ourselves from this world can we we set free from satan's power. This is not a popular idea in these last days however.

 

[Hieronymus]

Yepperdoodle!

Cahoots caboodle!

Isaiah saws Lucifer's fall in a vision. The crafty beast was working against Gods will already when he engaged Eve, he knew what Gods will was for Adam and Eve. "did God really say you must not".

Sure, but this is Genesis 3 like i said.

 

[Extraneous]

Extraneous, I've grown up around Christianity and have lived in a Deep South state for nearly 20 years, and I don't believe I've ever heard "Christians shouldn't debate anything but theology".

Paul teaches us to have the same mind, and to have no divisions among us. It's the Word. This idea is not taught in bible school however, and its not popular in these last days because peoples love is divided between this world and God. This all is actually a fulfillment of 2 Timothy 4:3

 

[Hieronymus]

No, that's not what im saying.

Ah, good.

Im saying that the love for this world is apposed to God, and that this world is controlled by satan. Only be separating ourselves from this world can we we set free from satan's power. This is not a popular idea in these last days however.

Then we agree.

 

[Extraneous]

Didn't John say that whoever makes himself a friend of the world makes himself an enemy to God? Didnt Paul say that unbelievers and believers have no fellowship or agreement? Didn't he then quote God who commanded us to come out from among them, and to be separate, and to not be unequally yoked? Doesn't Revelation say to come out from Babylon and be separate, or we share in her plagues? These plagues are what we reap when we sow carnal things. They are debates, contentions, war, strife. They are also reaping all manner of corruption such as spiritual blindness and deafness that plagues the world. This truth is seen in the saying "he who has an ear, let him hear what the spirit says to the Churches"

 

[Extraneous]

Ah, good.
Then we agree.

Cool.

 

[Colter]

Cahoots caboodle! Sure, but this is Genesis 3 like i said.

Yes, I think we agree. The devil was in rebellion before he tempted Eve not after.

 

[Extraneous]

Yes, I think we agree. The devil was in rebellion before he tempted Eve not after.

And now satan controls this fallen world. Why would we want to follow its fallible theories then? Dont you see that ToE is yet another deception from the enemy? This world is deceived by the enemy, and thats why they misinterpret data. They cannot see clearly, because their love is for this world, not the next, and not for God. All men are deceived and only Christ can open our eyes. Even Christians get deceived. There is only one way, and that is to forsake our love for this life, and to seek the one to come.

 

[Hieronymus]

Yes, I think we agree. The devil was in rebellion before he tempted Eve not after.

Yes, the serpent (the shining one) made the first wrong move.

Let's celebrate we agree on something !

 

[Luke17:37]

Hmmm....
I think it is, actually.
But there's no Scriptural evidence he rebelled before Genesis 3.
Otherwise he wouldn't be in Paradise.
...or am i mistaking?

God created him earlier, since the angels watched as God created the world and they rejoiced (Job 38:4-7). It doesn't say when he rebelled, though. Satan didn't get put in paradise, Adam did. As far as I've seen, he has freedom to roam and even to be in heaven (Job 1) until he's thrown out for good (in Revelation 12).

 

[Luke17:37]

Death was already on the earth, it's natural for man, BUT it wasn't for Adam and Eve, they lost their immortality as the result and could no longer partake of the "Tree of life". They became like one of us.

Death was not already on the earth. Satan's creation and fall were different. You saying death was already on the earth is rejecting the full counsel of Scripture and you have no Scriptural basis for it.

 

[miamited]

How convenient that you ignore the many layers of fossils within the sediments of the MANY floods over many years.

How convenient that you cant show the proof of the young earth, 6 day creation, a time when all living things lived at the same time.

Hi colter,

I can't speak for others, but for me, I don't ignore the many layers of fossils within the sediments. What I discount is the explanations that we are given as to 'how' they got to be there. Even you allow they may be the result of a flood, although you believe that they are the result of many floods. The question that we all have to answer is: What is the truth?

If we believe the Scriptures, there is only one flood spoken of with the coverage that would put fossils near the tops of mountains. If we believe, I guess, some of the testimonies that you have apparently found, then we are likely to believe as you believe. But, what is the truth? For me, the only written record of history that I know that I know to be the truth, are the Scriptures.

The accounts found throughout various cultures where one might think that there were many floods all came from the same family, according to the Scriptures. They originated either by the accounts given through Shem, Ham, Japheth, their wives and Noah and his wife. That's if we believe the Scriptures account that only eight people made it through the flood and, of course, it's highly unlikely that as the flood waters rose that some who drowned were busily scribbling down an account of the flood as the waters rose around them to be found later by these civilizations. But that all depends on what authority we allow for the Scriptures within our own minds and hearts.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[ScottA]

I don't think I contradicted myself, did you set a legalistic Pharisee trap of some sort? I missed that.

God is God, he is Living truth, the Word of truth. The Bible is written by men about the doings of God as they understood things in the ages they were writing in.

For instance, Paul wrote letters of correspondence to people. He was so well thought of by his disciples in the Roman empire that after he died they made his letters into the Word of God. So they made Pauls words equal to Jesus words. Same goes for the other apostles, men who often stumbled over the teachings of Jesus were "suddenly" struck DIVINE!

So, then, as you see it, do those men have providence over what is said of the truth of God as it is handed down from generation to generation...or does God?

You have already suggested that God does not have providence, nor is in control, and that sinful, stumbling men have had their way with history according to them. Therefore, I must disagree...for God is indeed, in control of [all] things.

If that does not describe your position...then please explain.

 

[miamited]

Obviously.
You seem to suggest science (the gathering and understanding of evidence) is somehow opposed to God's Word.

Hi hieronymus,

Well, let's discuss this point of view. Why did Eve eat the fruit?

She was curious. She wanted more knowledge than God gave her. She saw the fruit, that it was pleasing to the eye and likely said to herself, "I wonder what it's like?"

Now, I hate to go to this place, but I feel compelled to offer this as an explanation. The reason I hate to go to this place is that I just know without a doubt there be an uproar against me and claims that I'm some fundamentalist, head in the sand believer, but...

What is science? It is man's gathering of evidence to find explanations for the natural that God hasn't given us. People say that God gave us a mind and expected us to use it. Really? Isn't that exactly what Eve did? She studied the fruit and questioned how it could be so pleasing and wanted to get the answer to her question.

Yes, we live in a world that enjoys a lot of seemingly wonderful things that the various sciences have given us, but...

Is that really why God created us? That He wanted us to spend all our time and devote all our attention to trying to figure out how everything works? I'm not so sure.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted