Hier, Paul was many things, but scientist was not one of them. You are taking him way out of context as well as abusing Scripture when you try and force him into a scientific discussion.
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Why do Christians have trouble with accepting Evolution?
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It's what they wrote about that interest me, not how they understood it or used it to bolster there own "chosen people" arrogance.
The UB was written by celestials who were present for the history of the world. We now have the history of the earth and the entire life if Jesus of Nazareth.
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Extraneous
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God Himself said they were his chosen people, and you are calling Gods own word arrogant.
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Really? Is that why Peter called his words scripture? Is that why Paul commanded that one of his letters be read to all the Churches? IS that why he told Timothy to keep His command without spot until the return of the Lord? IS that why He calls his own words the command of the Lord? That isnt worthy of scripture? YOu are not seeing the truth here. Pauls words are no different than those of any OT prophet.
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According to your opinion, underline your opinion, on Paul, I am twisting his words. But I don't think you really understand his message, to start with. No church is going to work for everyone. That's why we have choices among different churches today. The right church is the one that works for you. Telling someone they have to agree with you, that you are the only true church, is precisely what causes divisiveness. We are all different, so no two people are going to think alike. Historically, the major failing of Christianity ahs been its lack of tolerance, which led to violence, oppression, wars, fanaticism, and superstition.
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Look, Extraneous, I don't know where you are getting you knowledge of the Bible from, but you are way, way off on the Pharisees. They were strict, and I mean really strict, Jews. They believed that every law in the OT was dictated by God and had to be obeyed to the letter. They even built a "fence" around the law. They came up with new laws to follow so that you didn't accentually break one of God's laws. They were about as rigid and intolerant as you could get. So don't give me this line that accepted any sort of diversity. Before you make comments like this, I would advise you to carefully study the Bible and biblical history.
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Extraneous
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They were hypocrites. They made Gods command void through their own man made tradition. The Lord Himself said that they dont obey Gods command. He said that they say, but do not do. He also said they make Gods command void through their own man made commands and traditions. Its a fact. Why do you question my understanding of scripture when its you who lack understanding?
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Extraneous
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Your analysis of the pharisees was very twisted hoghead, just as everything you say seems to be.
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Of course, it's getting deep, Extraneous. We are dealing with deep thinking and complex problems here. Also, evolution claims that humans evolved from an ancestor common to both human and apes. In that this seems to surprise you, I am wondering how much serious study you have given the topic of evolution. If you want to criticize it, at least get it right.
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Extraneous
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Humans are apes, according to science, so it seems you lack understanding of not only Scripture but also science.
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I did qualify my statement with the term "most evolutionists"...
Are you saying that these people you mentioned were evolutionists?
Lewis was neither pro nor anti evolution early in his Christian life but by the 1950's, he had developed a more anti mindset. Here is one of his quotes in a letter to Captain Acworth.. ‘What inclines me now to think you may be right in regarding [evolution] as the central and radical lie in the whole web of falsehood that now governs our lives is not so much your arguments against it as the fanatical and twisted attitudes of its defenders.’
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Sorry, I thought you meant apes. If you mean common ancestry, yes, that's what the theory of evolution suggests. And so, yes, that's what many Christians, notwithstanding the majority of pentecostal, contemporary, evangelical, fundamentalist-leaning churchgoers, don't have a problem with.
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Yes, Extraneous, conflict does make us stronger. The Bible says that we should be as iron upon iron, sharpening one another. Conflicts provide golden opportunities for each side to sharpen up.
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THe ironic part is that mankind hasn't evolved at all. We still fight like animals. Christ came to teach us to mind spiritual things rather than carnal, worldly things. He said we would be one with Him in that way. Paul teaches us to be of one mind and to have no divisions at all. THis is to evolve from a primitive beast into a Child of God. Only animals mind things of the flesh. Surely not everyone can be right in all this division over worldly things, therefore in order to walk in perfect truth and unity, we must put away all debate and mind only Christ and Him alone. We must lay down our politics and our theories, just like pounding our swords into plowshares and spears into pruning hooks. That requires forsaking our love for our animal self however, and our love for the world. IF we do not put down things that divide us, and instead just agree to disagree, where does it end? Does that mean anything goes? Surely agreeing to disagree is not unity nor the right way. Its just an excuse to stay worldly.
Sure you can say that we can agree to disagree while we wage an incessant war against each other. That however is like saying we can live together in peace as we drop bombs on each others houses, and shoot at each other.
Sure you can say that we can agree to disagree while we wage an incessant war against each other. That however is like saying we can live together in peace as we drop bombs on each others houses, and shoot at each other.
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Extraneous
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Thats no surprise, seeing how in the end times the Church will fall into a great apostasy.
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I question your understanding, Extraneous, because you don't quite grasp who the Pharisees were. They followed the OT laws to the letter. The problem Christ had with them is that they were unloving. The letter killeth the spirit.
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