How do you rid yourself of temptation?

[AllanV]

You haven't responded to what I wrote.
Do you agree the new covenant hinges on two core facts, and do you agree with what I have written concerning those facts?

I read your Linked in post and do not agree entirely with your interpretation of scriptures. It just does not take into account the full blessings possible.

 

[AllanV]

BTW
No one ever has, or can measure up to Gods standards. The standard is perfection

Do not bring your servant into judgement, for no one living is (truly) righteous before you Psalms 143:2

This is what the sacrifice of Jesus was for we are covered by His perfection and this gives access to God, if a person is bold enough.

 

[Lepanto]

The truth is you can't rid yourself of temptations, but you can overcome them in 1 way.
And that way is to be a chicken when you are facing temptations -- to run away from them. In other words, you should pay no attention to them when they confront you. You can't win by fighting them face to face, you should pay no attention to them.

Other things that will definitely help are:

• Praying, especially the Rosary
• Meditation, the Christian way

Lepanto

 

[AllanV]

BTW
No one ever has, or can measure up to Gods standards. The standard is perfection

Do not bring your servant into judgement, for no one living is (truly) righteous before you Psalms 143:2

What does BTW stand for.

 

[stuart lawrence]

I read your Linked in post and do not agree entirely with your interpretation of scriptures. It just does not take into account the full blessings possible.

I didn't go into the full blessings possible, simply the core of the new covenant. As you have not said you disagreed with what I wrote, I take it you are in full agreement

 

[St_Worm2]

And they were the people ultimately responsible for Jesus being crucified

Hi Stuart, I always had the idea that it was God who was "ultimately responsible" for Jesus being crucified? If any of us are to blame however, wouldn't it be the lot of us? (i.e. 1 Corinthians 15:17; 2 Corinthians 5:21)

Yours and His,
David

 

[stuart lawrence]

What does BTW stand for.

By the way

 

[stuart lawrence]

Hi Stuart, I always had the idea that it was God who was "ultimately responsible" for Jesus being crucified? If any of us are to blame however, wouldn't it be the lot of us? (i.e. 1 Corinthians 15:17)

Yours and His,
David

So God absolved the Pharisees of all blame for Jesus death?
The Pharisees, not the romans were the ones who committed the greater sin in handing Christ over to be crucified. God has plans but still holds people responsible

 

[stuart lawrence]

This is what the sacrifice of Jesus was for we are covered by His perfection and this gives access to God, if a person is bold enough.

Once a person has repented and asked Jesus into their life as Lord and saviour they are saved, and have access to God

 

[St_Worm2]

So God absolved the Pharisees of all blame for Jesus death?

And there you go again Stuart

I will say only this, that 'certain' Pharisees (St. Paul and Nicodemus come quickly to mind) have been absolved of all of their sins, WHATEVER they may be, because of Jesus' life/death/resurrection and God's gracious choice to forgive them and save them on that basis alone through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9).

Yours and His,
David

 

[AllanV]

The truth is you can't rid yourself of temptations, but you can overcome them in 1 way.
And that way is to be a chicken when you are facing temptations -- to run away from them. In other words, you should pay no attention to them when they confront you. You can't win by fighting them face to face, you should pay no attention to them.

Other things that will definitely help are:

• Praying, especially the Rosary
• Meditation, the Christian way

Lepanto

It is necessary to expose this realm of temptation and expel it and then a blessing may be received. It is by the Spirit.
If you know your weaknesses then these should be avoided but other people, family, friends, enemies, could observe and then outmaneuver your best intentions.
The scripture says to renounce, and that faith comes by hearing, which will place or build belief in the heart and if the voice is used at the same time, salvation.
There has to be some active participation of a move toward God and He will respond because faith without works is dead.

 

[stuart lawrence]

And there you go again Stuart

I will say only this, that 'certain' Pharisees (St. Paul and Nicodemus come quickly to mind) have been absolved of all of their sins, WHATEVER they may be, because of Jesus' life/death/resurrection and God's gracious choice to forgive them and save them on that basis alone through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9).

Yours and His,
David

I don't discuss predestination/ osas on the internet. But lets go with your words.
God graciously chooses to save people.
However, for those not chosen( strictly going by your statement) God condemns those who remain unsaved. He holds them ultimately responsible for rejecting his son.

I love Eph2:8&9
Rom3:19-31 is great. A brief summary of Paul's core gospel message

 

[AllanV]

Once a person has repented and asked Jesus into their life as Lord and saviour they are saved, and have access to God

In my case I separated my self from my former life and purchased some rural land, living without power or phone for 3years. The experience of God occurred I was drawn to Him after about two years in the bush. It was very exciting at the time, there was no sleep for several nights. For three years my mind was opened up to different thoughts of whole concepts that it would have taken several lifetimes to learn and I have an engineering background. Thoughts were coming from a different mind. One morning near the beginning I woke up early on my back and a full color hand was above my head. All the events were very dynamic but there is no clear direction at this stage. A dream occurred where there was a generator operating and a peaceful gentle people from throughout history were appearing in the energy field.
The Bible had never been read but my wife had a small KJV and it was handled so much it eventually began to fall apart. An attempted was made to interact with Christians but there are too many versions and who is correct?

 

[stuart lawrence]

In my case I separated my self from my former life and purchased some rural land, living without power or phone for 3years. The experience of God occurred I was drawn to Him after about two years in the bush. It was very exciting at the time, there was no sleep for several nights. For three years my mind was opened up to different thoughts of whole concepts that it would have taken several lifetimes to learn and I have an engineering background. I was thinking from a different mind. One morning near the beginning I woke up early on my back and a full color hand was above my head. All the events were very dynamic but there is no clear direction at this stage. A dream occurred where there was a generator operating and a peaceful gentle people from throughout history were appearing in the energy field.
I had never read the Bible but my wife had a small KJV and it was read so much it eventually began to fall apart. I attempted to interact with Christians but there are too many versions and who is correct?

I don't believe in infallibility of humans. None of us know everything.
Even Paul said he only knew in part.
I am sure the part Paul understood was greater than the part I understand.
When I was ten I tried the read the Kjv through. Too hard for ne at that age. It kinda put me off it. I learnt of the gospel of grace through reading the living bible. Hardly for purists, but the holy spirit can work through any of the main translations. He just requires people to trust him to lead them into truth

 

[St_Worm2]

I don't discuss predestination/ osas on the internet. But lets go with your words.
God graciously chooses to save people.
However, for those not chosen( strictly going by your statement) God condemns those who remain unsaved. He holds them ultimately responsible for rejecting his son.

I love Eph2:8&9
Rom3:19-31 is great. A brief summary of Paul's core gospel message

You know what Stuart, why don't we stop while we're ahead! God saves everyone who believes (John 3:16; John 5:24), and let's just leave it at that (as there is probably no one I would like to discuss this particular subject with less than someone who, like you, just can't seem to help asking baited question after baited question).

 

[AllanV]

I don't believe in infallibility of humans. None of us know everything.
Even Paul said he only knew in part.
I am sure the part Paul understood was greater than the part I understand.
When I was ten I tried the read the Kjv through. Too hard for ne at that age. It kinda put me off it. I learnt of the gospel of grace through reading the living bible. Hardly for purists, but the holy spirit can work through any of the main translations. He just requires people to trust him to lead them into truth

That is the situation, my fallible mind was opened up to an infinite one that revealed things that did not have to be learned. It probably made me sound irrational when an explanation was attempted. A younger acquaintance had a similar occurrence and his Atheistic family took him to a doctor and he ended up in Psychiatric care. When it came to my attention a visit to the hospital revealed there was not too much wrong. He stayed at my place when released and it was a very interesting time.

 

[stuart lawrence]

You know what Stuart, why don't we stop while we're ahead! God saves everyone who believes (John 3:16; John 5:24), and let's just leave it at that (as there is probably no one I would like to discuss this particular subject with less than someone who, like you, just can't seem to help asking baited question after baited question).

I don't ask baited questions. But I do like to point out, that in the real world very few ministers make the statements many so on the internet concerning a particular subject.
At least you understand grace is far more important to know, than having perfect theological understanding of Trinity. The bible stresses grace, it is the new covenant. The bible does not stress the demands of some on the internet who make theological demands that are extra biblical

 

[AllanV]

I don't believe in infallibility of humans. None of us know everything.
Even Paul said he only knew in part.
I am sure the part Paul understood was greater than the part I understand.
When I was ten I tried the read the Kjv through. Too hard for ne at that age. It kinda put me off it. I learnt of the gospel of grace through reading the living bible. Hardly for purists, but the holy spirit can work through any of the main translations. He just requires people to trust him to lead them into truth

We are supposed to be like little children. The most revealing idea is that everything is immediate. God is in the same space by volume everyone occupies. It is the adult mind with attachments, encumbrances in the personality that stops it being obvious and powerful.

 

[AllanV]

I didn't go into the full blessings possible, simply the core of the new covenant. As you have not said you disagreed with what I wrote, I take it you are in full agreement

It is difficult to follow at the moment I will look later and give you a review.

 

[Xalith]

A change comes over a smoker when they need a top up of nicotine and there is a definite demon sitting on the shoulder. Deny the cigarette and there could be an argument.
Its a bit like denying Christ.
There is a way of Holiness as declared by Isiah and the truth of the blessing is not understood.
The early Church was called the "Way"

The post of mine that you quoted, you seemed to have missed where I said "it is a mix between your fleshly body and demons".

Nicotine addiction is part of your fleshly body. If you became addicted to nicotine and then become Born Again... God knows, and understands what Nicotine does to your body and what happens when you try to deny your body the chemical and what kind of chemical reactions it has within your body and how it can affect how your brain works. I really doubt that a nicotine fit has anything at all to do with demons, though I wouldn't be surprised that if a smoker is trying to quit, that a demon could come and try to poke them into doing something irrational to get a cigarette, including causing wrath and/or the temptation to steal or be lazy at work, and/or break company policy by sneaking out to smoke or what-not.

We serve a loving, longsuffering and merciful God. While I believe that smoking is something that should not be done, I also believe that there is extra mercy for things like chemical addictions (assuming said addiction was started before becoming a Christian). There have been studies that have been done that show people who quit smoking can throw their bodies into chaos and cause even more harm than if they would have merely done something like go to e-cigs or the patch and try to slowly back off and quit.

Many former smokers (my dad included) oftentimes end up hooked on sweets and end up obese which is just as bad. Chemical addiction to nicotine got replaced by gluttony for sugar. Is really any better?