• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

why humans are not primates

Status
Not open for further replies.

Frenzy

Active Member
Nov 13, 2015
226
47
37
✟663.00
Gender
Female
Faith
Agnostic
Marital Status
Married
Amen. Only Humans are destined to have dominion or rule over every primate and every other living creature, including Angels, after Jesus returns. Gen 1:8 Are you ready?
That's called 'delusions of grandeur', it's a well known medical condition in psychiatry.
The person believes there's a being that is all powerful and that being cares and protects them giving them an importance they feel they warrant and deserve.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

Aman777

Christian
Jan 26, 2013
10,351
584
✟30,043.00
Faith
Baptist
AS most of them aren't worth bothering with.

ALL other primates? ALL of them? So if the human skeleton was shown to be proportionately heavier than say, a pygmy marmoset or a Phillipine Tarsier, then this claim would be invalidated.

Really? This link has a picture of a primate brain, can you tell which primate it is without looking at other sources?

There are entire scientific projects dedicated to comparing our brains with the brains of other primates.

Yes, humans may be unique in primates in having continually growing head hair. However, other primates have other unique hair features. So what? That's what makes us different species.

The quote Schwartz & Rosenblum

"Allometric analyses of hair densities in 23 anthropoid primate taxa reveal that increasingly massive primates have systematically fewer hairs per equal unit of body surface. Considering the absence of effective sweating in monkeys and apes, the negative allometry of relative hair density may represent an architectural adaptation to thermal constraints imposed by the decreasing ratios of surface area to volume in progressively massive primates."


(this was answered for great apes but not all primates)

Now its all primates. All of a sudden our closest relatives don't count. I see goal post shifting.

As it required none.


muscles - 5 to 10 times weaker for relative size compared to all other primates



Its not the 'ToE Narritive" that was debunked, but the ridiculous assertion that humans have 10 times more body fat than all other primates.

As I noted before, sedentary, westernised humans with calorie rich diets have body fat percentages 10 times that of some of the leanest primates. However, when you compare humans in hunter gather societies with average primate body fat percentages, humans are within the same range as other primates such as lemurs, gorillas, bonobos and orangutans.



Walking upright on two legs is the trait that defines the hominid lineage: Bipedalism separated the first hominids from the rest of the four-legged apes. It took a while for anthropologists to realize this. At the turn of the 20th century, scientists thought that big brains made hominids unique. This was a reasonable conclusion since the only known hominid fossils were of brainy species–Neanderthals and Homo erectus.



Supporting evidence needed for claims



Baculum avatisms arent enough? What more would you want?



Not sure this one makes any sense.



If you understood evolution, you'd understand why bringing this up just makes you look foolish. Chromosome 2 fusion is pretty well established by comparative genetics.

FYI, The sons of God (prehistoric people) had their origin in the water on planet Earth some 3.77 Billion years ago at God's command. Gen 1:20 Humans were made some 10 Billion years BEFORE the first life appeared on our Earth. Gen 2:4-7

Humans were made from the dust by YHWH/Jesus. Gen 2:7
The sons of God (prehistoric people) were created from the water by God (Elohim) Gen 1:21

IOW, there were TWO creations of mankind and they could produce children together. Gen 6:4 Therefore, studying the bones of prehistoric people is NOT studying the bones of Humans (descendants of Adam). Amen?
 
Upvote 0

Aman777

Christian
Jan 26, 2013
10,351
584
✟30,043.00
Faith
Baptist
So, god wrote the bible, because the bible says it was written by god? That's the basis of your argument?

No. I seek the AGREEMENT of Scripture Science and History. I find it in Genesis and in very few other places. ONLY God could have told us of our future thousands of years ago and He told us of the events at the end of the present 6th Day, which will not happen until AFTER Jesus returns to fulfill the Prophecy of Gen 1:28-31. Finding this Truth is like cool water to a thirsty man. Amen?
 
Upvote 0

HitchSlap

PROUDLY PRIMATE
Aug 6, 2012
14,723
5,468
✟288,596.00
Country
United States
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Married
No. I seek the AGREEMENT of Scripture Science and History. I find it in Genesis and in very few other places. ONLY God could have told us of our future thousands of years ago and He told us of the events at the end of the present 6th Day, which will not happen until AFTER Jesus returns to fulfill the Prophecy of Gen 1:28-31. Finding this Truth is like cool water to a thirsty man. Amen?
It's more like gobblegook woo-woo. Amen?
 
Upvote 0

Aman777

Christian
Jan 26, 2013
10,351
584
✟30,043.00
Faith
Baptist
That's called 'delusions of grandeur', it's a well known medical condition in psychiatry.

Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

This future event will happen at the end of the present 6th Day. Amen?
 
Upvote 0

Aman777

Christian
Jan 26, 2013
10,351
584
✟30,043.00
Faith
Baptist
It's more like gobblegook woo-woo. Amen?

God told us that unbelievers would see His Truth as foolishness.

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth NOT the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

I suppose that's what you call gobbledegoop woo-woo. Amen?
 
Upvote 0

HitchSlap

PROUDLY PRIMATE
Aug 6, 2012
14,723
5,468
✟288,596.00
Country
United States
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Married
God told us that unbelievers would see His Truth as foolishness.

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth NOT the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

I suppose that's what you call gobbledegoop woo-woo. Amen?
Just so you know, whenever one pulls out the bibles, I consider it a logical victory for me.
 
Upvote 0

AV1611VET

SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE
Site Supporter
Jun 18, 2006
3,855,483
52,482
Guam
✟5,122,999.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
Yes but for most human primates it's resisted by 3/4 of the population of the planet they choose other religions, for them Jesus is just another word as Allah or Krishna is for you.
Only ¾ ?

Romans 3:4a God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar;

Every man = 4/4.
 
Upvote 0

Hoghead1

Well-Known Member
Oct 27, 2015
4,911
741
78
✟8,968.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Protestant
Marital Status
Married
Aman777, you are forgetting that you need to give a solid, supporting argument for your views. Don't tell us, show us. What hard evidence do you have that God wrote Genesis? How could God have possibly written Genesis, when it gives two highly conflicting accounts of creation, to begin with, and doesn't fit at all with modern science? What things did God tell us that science hasn't discovered? An itemized list would help here. It appears to me that you are seriously misquoting Gen. 3:22. It doesn't say at all all what you falsely claim it does. Gen. 3:22 clearly states, "But he said,' The man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil; what now if he reaches out and takes fruit from the tree of life also and eats it and lives forever?'" So you are way, way off, if you thought it read, as you misquote it above, "All writers reveal themselves in their writings and so does God..." Have you even bothered to read the Bible? I wonder, and with good reason.
 
Upvote 0

Gene2memE

Newbie
Oct 22, 2013
4,618
7,146
✟330,750.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
FYI, The sons of God (prehistoric people) had their origin in the water on planet Earth some 3.77 Billion years ago at God's command. Gen 1:20 Humans were made some 10 Billion years BEFORE the first life appeared on our Earth. Gen 2:4-7

Humans were made from the dust by YHWH/Jesus. Gen 2:7
The sons of God (prehistoric people) were created from the water by God (Elohim) Gen 1:21

IOW, there were TWO creations of mankind and they could produce children together. Gen 6:4 Therefore, studying the bones of prehistoric people is NOT studying the bones of Humans (descendants of Adam). Amen?

This is what is known, technically, as making stuff up.

Arguing against a fantasy world is a pointless exercise. You make unfounded assertions, ignore contrary evidence and when challenged to substantiate your claims, you simply repeat previously disproved arguments.

If you're not going to base your arguments in reality, then there's not point in attempting to engage with you.
 
Upvote 0

: D

Active Member
Nov 12, 2015
183
17
south coast UK
✟15,465.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
You mean that holiday with that uses a pagan tree and celebrated on winter solstice?
no,
I mean the Christian celebration of Christmas,
I assume you will be working as its just another day to the shaved monkeys,
im sure you would not make yourself a hypocrite by having anything to do with any religious holiday now would you ?

would you ?

: )
 
Upvote 0

: D

Active Member
Nov 12, 2015
183
17
south coast UK
✟15,465.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Didn't you notice the 1984 clue?
clue ?
you don't need to be Sherlock Holmes to get the reference that any authoritarian dictatorship requires a suppression of free thought and expression,
usually through unchallenged authority figures and an aggressive group think mentality.

have I broken another law ?
hope so.

: )
 
Upvote 0

: D

Active Member
Nov 12, 2015
183
17
south coast UK
✟15,465.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
AS most of them aren't worth bothering with.

ALL other primates? ALL of them? So if the human skeleton was shown to be proportionately heavier than say, a pygmy marmoset or a Phillipine Tarsier, then this claim would be invalidated.

Really? This link has a picture of a primate brain, can you tell which primate it is without looking at other sources?

There are entire scientific projects dedicated to comparing our brains with the brains of other primates.

Yes, humans may be unique in primates in having continually growing head hair. However, other primates have other unique hair features. So what? That's what makes us different species.

The quote Schwartz & Rosenblum

"Allometric analyses of hair densities in 23 anthropoid primate taxa reveal that increasingly massive primates have systematically fewer hairs per equal unit of body surface. Considering the absence of effective sweating in monkeys and apes, the negative allometry of relative hair density may represent an architectural adaptation to thermal constraints imposed by the decreasing ratios of surface area to volume in progressively massive primates."

Now its all primates. All of a sudden our closest relatives, which are primates don't count. I see goal post shifting.

As it required none.

The 5-10 stronger thing is incorrect from the get go. Most, but certainly not all other primates, have higher strength to weight ratios. In Chimps, its about double, in bonobos its about 30% more, in gorillas, its about 125%.

Humans evolved weaker muscles to help the metabolic demands of larger brain development.

Its not the 'ToE Narritive" that was debunked, but the ridiculous assertion that humans have 10 times more body fat than all other primates.

As I noted before, sedentary, westernised humans with calorie rich diets have body fat percentages 10 times that of some of the leanest primates. However, when you compare humans in hunter gather societies with average primate body fat percentages, humans are within the same range as other primates such as lemurs, gorillas, bonobos and orangutans.



Walking upright on two legs is the trait that defines the hominid lineage: Bipedalism separated the first hominids from the rest of the four-legged apes. It took a while for anthropologists to realize this. At the turn of the 20th century, scientists thought that big brains made hominids unique. This was a reasonable conclusion since the only known hominid fossils were of brainy species–Neanderthals and Homo erectus.

Supporting evidence needed for claims

Baculum avatisms arent enough? What more would you want?

Not sure this one makes any sense.

If you understood evolution, you'd understand why bringing this up just makes you look foolish. Chromosome 2 fusion is pretty well established by comparative genetics.
the skeletons are heavier comparatively due to thickness not size (please check)
the brains differ in size and construction (please check)
we agree no primate has constantly growing hair.
your closest relative, not mine.
we agree the muscle ratios differ.
"ridiculous assertion that humans have 10 times more body fat than all other primates." which was linked to science mag talking about the evolved fat human.
primates and humans have a different locomotion we agree ((there are no transitional fossils)please check))
study primate physiology and neurology, they don't have the physical ability for speech nor the brain to formulate it, the "supporting evidence" is that monkeys and apes cannot talk.(please check)
the penis bone does not exist in humans, fact.(please check)
do monkeys/apes share human genetic disorders (around 4000)with humans, simply a lot of these disorders prevent survival and having offspring.(please check)

: )
do primates share
 
Upvote 0

Frenzy

Active Member
Nov 13, 2015
226
47
37
✟663.00
Gender
Female
Faith
Agnostic
Marital Status
Married
not quite,
so ridiculous I did not think it warranted a reply (that's how the game is played isn't it ?)
Yes religion is a game some people play in order to keep themselves from contemplating their inevitable death, they try to convince themselves that they are not going to die, if they can keep doing it until they die they win, it's only when they pass into oblivion is the game and their life over.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

AirPo

with a Touch of Grey
Oct 31, 2003
26,363
7,214
61
✟176,857.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Married
clue ?
you don't need to be Sherlock Holmes to get the reference that any authoritarian dictatorship requires a suppression of free thought and expression,
usually through unchallenged authority figures and an aggressive group think mentality.

have I broken another law ?
hope so.

: )
Good thing that's not going on, as has been explained already.
 
Upvote 0

HitchSlap

PROUDLY PRIMATE
Aug 6, 2012
14,723
5,468
✟288,596.00
Country
United States
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Married
no,
I mean the Christian celebration of Christmas,
I assume you will be working as its just another day to the shaved monkeys,
im sure you would not make yourself a hypocrite by having anything to do with any religious holiday now would you ?

would you ?

: )
With all the shopping, and whining about the Starbux cups, how could I ever escape Christmas? Guess I'll just have to sit back and enjoy the egg nog.
 
Upvote 0

Frenzy

Active Member
Nov 13, 2015
226
47
37
✟663.00
Gender
Female
Faith
Agnostic
Marital Status
Married
no,
I mean the Christian celebration of Christmas,
I assume you will be working as its just another day to the shaved monkeys,
im sure you would not make yourself a hypocrite by having anything to do with any religious holiday now would you?
What has Christianity got to do with Christmas? it's a Pagan holiday, the tree the decorations the feasting is all Pagan, where does Christianity come into Christmas? it was certainly not when Jesus was born, if Jesus ever existed according to the Bible he was born closer to April then December.
Could it be that Christians needed a time to push their religion so they commandeered the Pagan holiday and called it their own?
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0
Status
Not open for further replies.