Transgender "Inclusive"Language:Where does it end and begin?

[razzelflabben]

The 5 year old didn't demand surgery then?



I asked you very politely the first time. You have declined to support your own statement. Retract the statement that a "poster who declared that a 5 year old should be able to demand transitional surgery" and I will stop expecting you to show that it happened.[/QUOT

The 5 year old didn't demand surgery then?



I asked you very politely the first time. You have declined to support your own statement. Retract the statement that a "poster who declared that a 5 year old should be able to demand transitional surgery" and I will stop expecting you to show that it happened.

I retracted nothing. Another poster said that at 5 she should have been allowed to demand surgery, that is very different from what you have been asking me to evidence about a parent demanding a 5 year old have surgery. If you can't see the difference I fear there is no hope and I am done.

 

[Cute Tink]

I retracted nothing. Another poster said that at 5 she should have been allowed to demand surgery, that is very different from what you have been asking me to evidence about a parent demanding a 5 year old have surgery. If you can't see the difference I fear there is no hope and I am done.

I didn't say you retracted anything. I suggested you do so if you can't be bothered to back up your own statements. Perhaps you should reread my post so you can understand the words I typed?

I literally just asked you to back it up the first time. Didn't even rewrite your statement. You declined rudely.

Now, can you back up that statement or not?

 

[razzelflabben]

I didn't say you retracted anything. I suggested you do so if you can't be bothered to back up your own statements. Perhaps you should reread my post so you can understand the words I typed?

I literally just asked you to back it up the first time. Didn't even rewrite your statement. You declined rudely.

Now, can you back up that statement or not?

what did I already tell you? If you get my claim right, I will happily back it up, if not, you will have to figure it out on your own. Oh and btw, my posts have been much less rude than yours because mine are based on what you really do say in your posts.

 

[bhsmte]

what did I already tell you? If you get my claim right, I will happily back it up, if not, you will have to figure it out on your own. Oh and btw, my posts have been much less rude than yours because mine are based on what you really do say in your posts.

Why don't you make it simple and set the record straight with your claim?

Seems like the logical thing to do to further discussion.

 

[razzelflabben]

Why don't you make it simple and set the record straight with your claim?

Seems like the logical thing to do to further discussion.

like I said, I already did twice and you all didn't listen, in order to be above reproach, I offered a third time and still you all refuse to hear, eventually, I just stop talking to deaf ears and move on to people of hearing.

 

[Cute Tink]

what did I already tell you? If you get my claim right, I will happily back it up, if not, you will have to figure it out on your own. Oh and btw, my posts have been much less rude than yours because mine are based on what you really do say in your posts.

Please quote where I said that you retracted anything, as you accused me of. Please quote where I said anything about "a parent demanding a 5 year old have surgery". I never mentioned a parent.

I have gotten your claim right. You have gotten my posts wrong on this page. You are doing what you accuse others of.

Now, I'm requoting your claim: a "poster who declared that a 5 year old should be able to demand transitional surgery". Can you back that up or not?

 

[razzelflabben]

Please quote where I said that you retracted anything, as you accused me of. Please quote where I said anything about "a parent demanding a 5 year old have surgery". I never mentioned a parent.

I have gotten your claim right. You have gotten my posts wrong on this page. You are doing what you accuse others of.

Now, I'm requoting your claim: a "poster who declared that a 5 year old should be able to demand transitional surgery". Can you back that up or not?

what, I can't hear you...you quoted me but showed no understanding of the claim...still waiting for that hearing that I was talking about...oh, and since the rest of this is just flaming and not what I said either, then, water off a ducks back.

 

[Cute Tink]

what, I can't hear you...you quoted me but showed no understanding of the claim...still waiting for that hearing that I was talking about...oh, and since the rest of this is just flaming and not what I said either, then, water off a ducks back.

Moving goal posts? You said get the claim right and you would back it up. Now I need to "show understanding"?

Here is your claim: "poster who declared that a 5 year old should be able to demand transitional surgery". Back it up please, like I have asked politely several times now.

 

[razzelflabben]

Moving goal posts? You said get the claim right and you would back it up. Now I need to "show understanding"?

no changing goal post at all, I told you several times over that you needed to show understanding....

Here is your claim: "poster who declared that a 5 year old should be able to demand transitional surgery". Back it up please, like I have asked politely several times now.

when you show understanding of the claim made, just like I repeatedly said.

 

[bhsmte]

no changing goal post at all, I told you several times over that you needed to show understanding....when you show understanding of the claim made, just like I repeatedly said.

Maybe, just maybe, you need to demonstrate clarity, when people ask for clarification.

Also, you seem to have a tendency, to make statements and then back peddle on the same when asked about them. Of course, you can ignore everyone basically stating the same thing to you and chalk it up to people not understanding you, if that suits you.

 

[malvina]

All our posts in this thread are entirely dependant on our spiritual standings. We have born again Christians who adhere to scripture to a large degree and we have other Christians who accept the New Age influence.
We also have unbelievers and different religions so altogether it is impossible for any of us to agree with one another on this subject especially. Like in the abortion debate we just insult one another and go round and round in circles

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

If someone can quote you verbatim and when they do so you claim they don't understand what you meant, then doesn't it fall to you to clarify? Online, all we have is text. If your text that was quoted doesn't accurately reflect your point, don't blame the reader.

I truly have to wonder, if one believes that God created us all, then we can clearly see He made some of us quite different. If that difference is something that causes difficulty and there's a medical procedure to correct it, we usually don't think twice about it.
I can't say I've ever heard: "God made you deaf and he doesn't make mistakes. If He wanted you to hear He would have made you a hearing person. So, getting implants is immoral. In fact, I refuse to treat you as a hearing person and will only speak to you in sign language despite the fact you now hear"

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

All our posts in this thread are entirely dependant on our spiritual standings. We have born again Christians who adhere to scripture to a large degree and we have other Christians who accept the New Age influence.
We also have unbelievers and different religions so altogether it is impossible for any of us to agree with one another on this subject especially. Like in the abortion debate we just insult one another and go round and round in circles

If we focus on facts, as some have done (and have educated some of us ), on what these conditions are, what our best understanding of their causes are, and the different treatments, then we ought to be able to have reasonable discussion. There have been quality links provided that bring the facts to the discussion. The problem comes when facts are discounted in favor of vague things like robots, particle accelerators, people being forced to get naked in public in locker rooms, and the NWO, then things go off the rail.

 

[Cute Tink]

no changing goal post at all, I told you several times over that you needed to show understanding....when you show understanding of the claim made, just like I repeatedly said.

You are unwilling to demonstrate that it ever happened. I'll disregard your statement then.

 

[razzelflabben]

Maybe, just maybe, you need to demonstrate clarity, when people ask for clarification.

Also, you seem to have a tendency, to make statements and then back peddle on the same when asked about them. Of course, you can ignore everyone basically stating the same thing to you and chalk it up to people not understanding you, if that suits you.

The only problem is, I have repeatedly demonstrated all this to be a false accusation of my character....

 

[David4223]

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[razzelflabben]

If someone can quote you verbatim and when they do so you claim they don't understand what you meant, then doesn't it fall to you to clarify? Online, all we have is text. If your text that was quoted doesn't accurately reflect your point, don't blame the reader.

the issue in question was when the quote was 1. taken out of context thus twisted into something that was not said and 2. when talking about the quote, they refused to address what it said and instead, presented a different meaning. When corrected, they ignored the corrections in order to maintain the flawed interpretation. Ignoring correction is in fact, inflammatory if the resulting false accusations paint not only an incorrect representation of the comments but also a poor untruthful characteristic that simply doesn't exist. In fact, some here that are being called on their misrepresentations, have claimed I said things that not only did I not say, but I couldn't even think up what I was accused of to say because it is just that contrary to who I am. When I clarified and corrected the misrepresentations, it went round and round and round with me explaining where the communication was going wrong and they say, no, I'm right and continuing to take me out of context and otherwise manipulating my words. Now, I am willing to take responsibility for my own failures, but when the people in question are shown exactly where they are missing the meaning, clarification is given and corrections made to the point in which there can be no mistake and they still try to make the same claims by using the same manipulative and abusive mistakes, the blame is on them, not me and I will continue to stand up against that kind of abuse.

I truly have to wonder, if one believes that God created us all, then we can clearly see He made some of us quite different. If that difference is something that causes difficulty and there's a medical procedure to correct it, we usually don't think twice about it.
I can't say I've ever heard: "God made you deaf and he doesn't make mistakes. If He wanted you to hear He would have made you a hearing person. So, getting implants is immoral. In fact, I refuse to treat you as a hearing person and will only speak to you in sign language despite the fact you now hear"

In my personal view (and yes, I have said this many times over to the people who are attacking me on this thread) I personally think that both homosexuality and sexual dysphoria are gifts from God for the purpose of learning more about HIm and understanding things about Him like the rest of us cannot understand and know. To which I am told I am being abusive, hateful, and otherwise evil to transgender people. Really, saying they have a gift from God is abusive? Hateful? evil? You know why they make that claim? For two reasons, 1. I ask hard questions they don't like and can't answer and 2. I don't applaud and amen everything they say. It's as simple as that, because I don't kiss their feet, they label me and in that feel justified to twist what I say to paint a picture of someone who is hateful and evil toward people that I actually feel are blessed. Ah well, such is the life on the forums when people insist on being emotional rather than rational, agenda driven rather than communicative.

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

In my personal view (and yes, I have said this many times over to the people who are attacking me on this thread) I personally think that both homosexuality and sexual dysphoria are gifts from God for the purpose of learning more about HIm and understanding things about Him like the rest of us cannot understand and know. To which I am told I am being abusive, hateful, and otherwise evil to transgender people. Really, saying they have a gift from God is abusive? Hateful? evil? You know why they make that claim? For two reasons, 1. I ask hard questions they don't like and can't answer and 2. I don't applaud and amen everything they say. It's as simple as that, because I don't kiss their feet, they label me and in that feel justified to twist what I say to paint a picture of someone who is hateful and evil toward people that I actually feel are blessed. Ah well, such is the life on the forums when people insist on being emotional rather than rational, agenda driven rather than communicative.

Do you feel the same way about deafness, a gift from God that shouldn't be corrected if possible?

 

[katerinah1947]

the issue in question was when the quote was 1. taken out of context thus twisted into something that was not said and 2. when talking about the quote, they refused to address what it said and instead, presented a different meaning. When corrected, they ignored the corrections in order to maintain the flawed interpretation. Ignoring correction is in fact, inflammatory if the resulting false accusations paint not only an incorrect representation of the comments but also a poor untruthful characteristic that simply doesn't exist. In fact, some here that are being called on their misrepresentations, have claimed I said things that not only did I not say, but I couldn't even think up what I was accused of to say because it is just that contrary to who I am. When I clarified and corrected the misrepresentations, it went round and round and round with me explaining where the communication was going wrong and they say, no, I'm right and continuing to take me out of context and otherwise manipulating my words. Now, I am willing to take responsibility for my own failures, but when the people in question are shown exactly where they are missing the meaning, clarification is given and corrections made to the point in which there can be no mistake and they still try to make the same claims by using the same manipulative and abusive mistakes, the blame is on them, not me and I will continue to stand up against that kind of abuse.
In my personal view (and yes, I have said this many times over to the people who are attacking me on this thread) I personally think that both homosexuality and sexual dysphoria are gifts from God for the purpose of learning more about HIm and understanding things about Him like the rest of us cannot understand and know. To which I am told I am being abusive, hateful, and otherwise evil to transgender people. Really, saying they have a gift from God is abusive? Hateful? evil? You know why they make that claim? For two reasons, 1. I ask hard questions they don't like and can't answer and 2. I don't applaud and amen everything they say. It's as simple as that, because I don't kiss their feet, they label me and in that feel justified to twist what I say to paint a picture of someone who is hateful and evil toward people that I actually feel are blessed. Ah well, such is the life on the forums when people insist on being emotional rather than rational, agenda driven rather than communicative.

Hi,

Do you have any ideas yet, on what might be learned from or about God from God yet, from those with Gender Dysphoria like me?

I personally think that both homosexuality and sexual dysphoria are gifts from God for the purpose of learning more about HIm and understanding things about Him like the rest of us cannot understand and know.

LOVE,