Transgender "Inclusive"Language:Where does it end and begin?

[Belk]

the issue in question was when the quote was 1. taken out of context thus twisted into something that was not said and 2. when talking about the quote, they refused to address what it said and instead, presented a different meaning. When corrected, they ignored the corrections in order to maintain the flawed interpretation. Ignoring correction is in fact, inflammatory if the resulting false accusations paint not only an incorrect representation of the comments but also a poor untruthful characteristic that simply doesn't exist. In fact, some here that are being called on their misrepresentations, have claimed I said things that not only did I not say, but I couldn't even think up what I was accused of to say because it is just that contrary to who I am. When I clarified and corrected the misrepresentations, it went round and round and round with me explaining where the communication was going wrong and they say, no, I'm right and continuing to take me out of context and otherwise manipulating my words. Now, I am willing to take responsibility for my own failures, but when the people in question are shown exactly where they are missing the meaning, clarification is given and corrections made to the point in which there can be no mistake and they still try to make the same claims by using the same manipulative and abusive mistakes, the blame is on them, not me and I will continue to stand up against that kind of abuse.
In my personal view (and yes, I have said this many times over to the people who are attacking me on this thread) I personally think that both homosexuality and sexual dysphoria are gifts from God for the purpose of learning more about HIm and understanding things about Him like the rest of us cannot understand and know. To which I am told I am being abusive, hateful, and otherwise evil to transgender people. Really, saying they have a gift from God is abusive? Hateful? evil? You know why they make that claim? For two reasons, 1. I ask hard questions they don't like and can't answer and 2. I don't applaud and amen everything they say. It's as simple as that, because I don't kiss their feet, they label me and in that feel justified to twist what I say to paint a picture of someone who is hateful and evil toward people that I actually feel are blessed. Ah well, such is the life on the forums when people insist on being emotional rather than rational, agenda driven rather than communicative.

 

[razzelflabben]

Do you feel the same way about deafness, a gift from God that shouldn't be corrected if possible?

WAIT ONE MOMENT! Show me anywhere in my post where I said, suggested or otherwise hinted that it should NOT be corrected! WE will start there....the rest we can talk about when you show me where I said that nothing should be corrected.

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

WAIT ONE MOMENT! Show me anywhere in my post where I said, suggested or otherwise hinted that it should NOT be corrected! WE will start there....the rest we can talk about when you show me where I said that nothing should be corrected.

So you support people living as the gender they are in their brain, and getting surgery if desired?

 

[razzelflabben]

Hi,

Do you have any ideas yet, on what might be learned from or about God from God yet, from those with Gender Dysphoria like me?



LOVE,

lots of ideas about what God might want to show you, and some things I am sure He has hidden from me as well. But that would be off topic, now wouldn't it?

 

[razzelflabben]

So you support people living as the gender they are, and getting surgery if desired?

Now, let me ask you this...instead of trying to play games and twist what I said, why not just do two things, 1. ask directly without all the false accusations and misrepresentations leading up to the question and 2. confess that I said nothing at all about whether or not surgery was appropriate and in that show that you are not one of those trying to flame me?

You see, instead of answering my question, you pretended I said something I didn't, thus painting an unfavorable characteristic of me and then refused to take responsibility for your all (my bad, I forgot to put the all there) failure so I could answer the question with some kind of assurance it would not be taken out of context and twisted like you have done on other threads where I spoke of my convictions on the matter.

 

[katerinah1947]

Hi,

So, is it over yet. Are there reasons not to use the terms Transgendered people prefer?

LOVE,

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

Now, let me ask you this...instead of trying to play games and twist what I said, why not just do two things, 1. ask directly without all the false accusations and misrepresentations leading up to the question and 2. confess that I said nothing at all about whether or not surgery was appropriate and in that show that you are not one of those trying to flame me?

You see, instead of answering my question, you pretended I said something I didn't, thus painting an unfavorable characteristic of me and then refused to take responsibility for your all (my bad, I forgot to put the all there) failure so I could answer the question with some kind of assurance it would not be taken out of context and twisted like you have done on other threads where I spoke of my convictions on the matter.

I'm not pretending you said anything, and don't really have time to quote mine your pists, so I asked directly, do you think transgendered people have the right to present themselves as they are, and the right to seek surgery if desired?
I can't say I've spoken to you on other threads about this issue, so I'm not sure where you are coming from with the last bit. Perhaps you are confusing me with someone else.

 

[razzelflabben]

Hi,

So, is it over yet. Are there reasons not to use the terms Transgendered people prefer?

LOVE,

???????

 

[razzelflabben]

I'm not pretending you said anything, and don't really have time to quote mine your pists, so I asked directly, do you think transgendered people have the right to present themselves as they are, and the right to seek surgery if desired?
I can't say I've spoken to you on other threads about this issue, so I'm not sure where you are coming from with the last bit. Perhaps you are confusing me with someone else.

You mean the last bit where I said "YOU ALL" meaning several people on this thread who refuse to listen.

Now, before I answer your question, do you confess that I never said anything about whether or not I think surgery is appropriate for the transgender in the previous post in question? A simple yes or no is fine, yes you confess I didn't say it and you were misrepresenting me or no you refuse to confess it leaving me no option but to refuse to answer the question until confession is made, showing a willingness to listen rather than repeatedly misrepresent.

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

You mean the last bit where I said "YOU ALL" meaning several people on this thread who refuse to listen.

Now, before I answer your question, do you confess that I never said anything about whether or not I think surgery is appropriate for the transgender in the previous post in question? A simple yes or no is fine, yes you confess I didn't say it and you were misrepresenting me or no you refuse to confess it leaving me no option but to refuse to answer the question until confession is made, showing a willingness to listen rather than repeatedly misrepresent.

I haven't read all your posts, nor did I claim to have. If I knew what your position was on surgery, the use of appropriate pronouns, bathrooms, etc. then I wouldn't be asking you.
If you don't want to answer, fine. I made an analogy that I think is reasonable, you responded in a way I thought unclear (about transgenderism being a blessing ) and I'd like clarification. But not enough to 'confess' or to go back and read all your posts in this long thread.

 

[razzelflabben]

I haven't read all your posts, nor did I claim to have. If I knew what your position was on surgery, the use of appropriate pronouns, bathrooms, etc. then I wouldn't be asking you.
If you don't want to answer, fine. I made an analogy that I think is reasonable, you responded in a way I thought unclear (about transgenderism being a blessing ) and I'd like clarification. But not enough to 'confess' or to go back and read all your posts in this long thread.

In this thread, most of those questions haven't been asked or answered yet, but everything I do say is being taken out of context and otherwise twisted and manipulated to say something I am not. When I posted that I believe homosexuality and gender dysphoria to be gifts from God, you responded with accusations about surgery....something that was not in the post and suggests you are like most people on this thread, insistent on taking things out of context and twisting and manipulating for your own agenda rather than simply listening and responding accordingly. If you are not one of those people, then simply saying that you got it wrong but have a question is sufficient, otherwise, your false accusation in the form of an accusatory question stands as evidence that you are just like the rest of those here that don't want to discuss anything. Your call, I am thrilled to answer any question asked of me, but I refuse to subject myself to more attacks of my characteristics from people not brave enough or honest enough to know when they are the problem. It is an emotional topic to be sure, but that doesn't mean we have to tolerate bad behavior.

 

[DaisyDay]

Hi,

So, is it over yet. Are there reasons not to use the terms Transgendered people prefer?

Hi katerinah,

Nope, it's not over yet. Yes, there are reasons not to use the terms people prefer used in reference to themselves. Most of the reasons seem to be along the lines of "Don't wanna" and "Can't make me". Ah, what can you do?

 

[razzelflabben]

thought the discussion was about where "inclusive lang. begins and ends" not whether or not there is a reason to call them by their preferred gender or not. Seems to me that a few people are trying to take us off topic. in fact, I just reviewed the OP and I don't see anything in it about whether or not to call someone whatever gender they want to be called and as I personally already pointed out, it's pretty ridiculous to assume that I am going to ask everyone that I meet in a given down what gender they want to be called. For example, my husband got off work early today and took me out to eat for lunch. It is unrealistic to expect me to ask the waitress that was dressed like a woman btw, if "she/he" wanted to be identified as a man or a woman. She was dressed like a woman, so we assumed she wanted to be identified as a woman, no problem. And the funny thing is, she didn't seem to care, neither of the waitresses that waited on us seemed to care that we didn't ask them first if they wanted to be identified as a man or woman, we pretty much just assumed based on their appearance and how they carried themselves around other people.

I really don't know why you all think that we should go around and ask everyone we do business with what gender they want to be associated with when how you act and dress is suppose to do that for you, but I will again tell you that it is insanity to expect us to and would offend more people to do so than it would offend to not ask before I say "hi, have a great day"

Now, how about getting back on topic?

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

You seem to see accusations where I see questions. If I ask you I'd you agree with people getting a surgery, that's a question not an accusation or an attack on your character.

In this thread, most of those questions haven't been asked or answered yet, but everything I do say is being taken out of context and otherwise twisted and manipulated to say something I am not. When I posted that I believe homosexuality and gender dysphoria to be gifts from God, you responded with accusations about surgery....something that was not in the post and suggests you are like most people on this thread, insistent on taking things out of context and twisting and manipulating for your own agenda rather than simply listening and responding accordingly. If you are not one of those people, then simply saying that you got it wrong but have a question is sufficient, otherwise, your false accusation in the form of an accusatory question stands as evidence that you are just like the rest of those here that don't want to discuss anything. Your call, I am thrilled to answer any question asked of me, but I refuse to subject myself to more attacks of my characteristics from people not brave enough or honest enough to know when they are the problem. It is an emotional topic to be sure, but that doesn't mean we have to tolerate bad behavior.

 

[razzelflabben]

You seem to see accusations where I see questions. If I ask you I'd you agree with people getting a surgery, that's a question not an accusation or an attack on your character.

I will answer it when you demonstrate a willingness to listen rather than twist things like the post where you made accusations about my beliefs about surgery and still haven't taken responsibility for your false accusations. It really is that simply, you want an answer, they show a willingness to listen rather than an insistence that you will misrepresent.

 

[Cute Tink]

 

[razzelflabben]

exactly what I have been asking people to do...

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

I will answer it when you demonstrate a willingness to listen rather than twist things like the post where you made accusations about my beliefs about surgery and still haven't taken responsibility for your false accusations. It really is that simply, you want an answer, they show a willingness to listen rather than an insistence that you will misrepresent.

We seem to disagree on the definitions of asking a question about a belief and making an accusation. Perhaps because it's hard to read tone in a text only conversation. There's probably little likelihood of understanding considering this.

 

[razzelflabben]

start with post 440 where I said that I believe that both homosexuality and gender dysphoria are gifts from God, saying nothing at all about corrections or not corrections or what lessons or anything other than gifts from God to teach about God Himself in a way others can't understand and you said and I quote "do you feel the same way about deafness, a gift from God that shouldn't be corrected if possible?

Notice that the question, as worded caries the connotation that I disagree with trangenders having surgery, something that was not in the post in question nor something that was asked on this thread or discussed by me in anyway, thus a direct attack of my character, my beliefs and a misrepresentation of my views disguised as a question that we can all see through in that it is worded as I believe something I didn't say.

We see this same misrepresentation in many of your posts including as we move into post 444...so like I said, unless or until you show a willingness to address my posts and listen to what I am saying, I have no reason to answer your questions because you don't really want to know you just want a way to slam me and falsely accuse me of things I didn't say or believe, which is inflammatory and not to be tolerated.

 

[Cute Tink]

exactly what I have been asking people to do...

Many of your posts are addressing the person instead of the post. Please address the content of the post instead of the person themselves.

If you feel you are being flamed, the proper way to handle it is to report the post, not address the flame.