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Transgender "Inclusive"Language:Where does it end and begin?

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wow, it was a several post long discussion where I pointed out that that was not a wise argument. If you didn't follow it the first time, you are free to review the discussion and find it on your own time. That is the fun of a public discussion.

I have never seen someone demand a 5 year old get surgery. The most fun of a public discussion? Expecting people to back up their own points.

I am not talking about intentions here, as I pointed out previously. I am talking about your actions and words on this thread.

What you are accusing me of is not over explaining myself (among other unfounded things). I don't do that and won't apologize for it.
 
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all I will say on the matter is that real freedom does not take away the freedom of one group to accommodate another group. You can interpret that any way you want since that is how this thread works anyway. No explanation or defence will be offered since from experience on this thread both are ignored anyway.

How have your freedoms been taken away?

Is someone telling you you have to be gay?
 
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I have never seen someone demand a 5 year old get surgery. The most fun of a public discussion? Expecting people to back up their own points.
????? I didn't say that someone demanded a 5 year old get surgery....what are you even going on about. I said that to allow a 5 year old to demand surgery and get that surgery as per the previous discussion. And no, it wasn't my communication skills that tripped you up on that... and just for the record, if you correctly represent what I say, I would be more inclined to do your work for you. As it is, I could show you the discussion and you would argue that isn't what was said by misrepresenting me as you did here in this first sentence. That is why I won't waste my time, cause you can't even talk about what is being said.
 
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How have your freedoms been taken away?

Is someone telling you you have to be gay?
???? when did I say my freedoms were taken away? Why ask me such a question just because I declare that fighting for freedom is a good thing as long as it doesn't oppress another group to acquire those freedoms? And what does homosexuality have to do with any of that? Seriously I don't know what you are going on about as per the comment I made without all the twisting and manipulation and abuse of it that has been going on here.
 
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????? I didn't say that someone demanded a 5 year old get surgery....what are you even going on about. I said that to allow a 5 year old to demand surgery and get that surgery as per the previous discussion. And no, it wasn't my communication skills that tripped you up on that... and just for the record, if you correctly represent what I say, I would be more inclined to do your work for you. As it is, I could show you the discussion and you would argue that isn't what was said by misrepresenting me as you did here in this first sentence. That is why I won't waste my time, cause you can't even talk about what is being said.

Did the 5 year old allegedly demand surgery? Then yes, you said that someone demanded a 5 year old get surgery.

Now, you can either continue to be a literalist and ignore the fact that you said someone declareda 5 year old demanded to get surgery and are now being called to support your own statement or can continue to believe you are being misrepresented.

I'm not asking you to do my work for me. I'm asking you to back up your own statements. In a debate or discussion, that's incumbent upon the person making the statement.
 
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???? when did I say my freedoms were taken away? Why ask me such a question just because I declare that fighting for freedom is a good thing as long as it doesn't oppress another group to acquire those freedoms? And what does homosexuality have to do with any of that? Seriously I don't know what you are going on about as per the comment I made without all the twisting and manipulation and abuse of it that has been going on here.

Would this then mean, your freedoms have not been taken away?
 
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your problem...when someone twists comments, insists on taking them out of context to make a new argument and otherwise insults your character for no reason, it is rude and that is a kind word for it.

Well, it appears, the problem is pretty clear on this thread and a whole bunch of people are seeing it.
 
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your problem...when someone twists comments, insists on taking them out of context to make a new argument and otherwise insults your character for no reason, it is rude and that is a kind word for it.

You would do well to reread your own posts.
 
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Did the 5 year old allegedly demand surgery? Then yes, you said that someone demanded a 5 year old get surgery.

Now, you can either continue to be a literalist and ignore the fact that you said someone declareda 5 year old demanded to get surgery and are now being called to support your own statement or can continue to believe you are being misrepresented.

I'm not asking you to do my work for me. I'm asking you to back up your own statements. In a debate or discussion, that's incumbent upon the person making the statement.

I have been in healthcare for 20 years.

A 5 year old can not demand and obtain any type of surgery, without the consent of their parents and or guardian.
 
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Did the 5 year old allegedly demand surgery? Then yes, you said that someone demanded a 5 year old get surgery.

Now, you can either continue to be a literalist and ignore the fact that you said someone declareda 5 year old demanded to get surgery and are now being called to support your own statement or can continue to believe you are being misrepresented.
wow, just wow....I did not say that someone demanded a 5 year old get surgery and this is at least the second time I have pointed out to you that your claim here is a misrepresentation of my comment and yet you still demand I evidence the false claim you are making against me. Seriously, this is out of control. I can defend the claim I really did make, but to defend the claim you want me to make is insanity.
I'm not asking you to do my work for me. I'm asking you to back up your own statements. In a debate or discussion, that's incumbent upon the person making the statement.
you don't even have my claim right yet, which is what I said as the reason I wouldn't play your game. If you get the claim I really did make right, we will talk until then, all you are doing is flaming me and I will keep that in mind as I read your response.
 
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wow, just wow....I did not say that someone demanded a 5 year old get surgery and this is at least the second time I have pointed out to you that your claim here is a misrepresentation of my comment and yet you still demand I evidence the false claim you are making against me. Seriously, this is out of control. I can defend the claim I really did make, but to defend the claim you want me to make is insanity. you don't even have my claim right yet, which is what I said as the reason I wouldn't play your game. If you get the claim I really did make right, we will talk until then, all you are doing is flaming me and I will keep that in mind as I read your response.

Clarify it for us then, and tell us what you did in fact claim. We can then look at your previous posts and compare them.
 
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I have been in healthcare for 20 years.

A 5 year old can not demand and obtain any type of surgery, without the consent of their parents and or guardian.
yep...thus the illustration for the rights of one group at the cost of another....but I'm sure you understand that by now, since I have offered clarification and correction of misrepresentations of what I said so many times now.
 
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you don't even have my claim right yet, which is what I said as the reason I wouldn't play your game. If you get the claim I really did make right, we will talk until then, all you are doing is flaming me and I will keep that in mind as I read your response.

I asked you very politely the first time. You responded fairly rudely actually.

You have declined to support your own statement. Retract the statement that a "poster who declared that a 5 year old should be able to demand transitional surgery" and I will stop expecting you to show that it happened.

I've never, ever seen anyone claim that a child should be able to demand transitional surgery. You said it happened. I asked for a link. Not that hard to back up your own statement.
 
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Clarify it for us then, and tell us what you did in fact claim. We can then look at your previous posts and compare them.
really...I clarified at least twice on this one point alone and you all still try to pretend this is my issue and not your own. Give it a whirl, try going back and reading what I really did say, this time for meaning that I am offering and see what happens.
 
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yep...thus the illustration for the rights of one group at the cost of another....but I'm sure you understand that by now, since I have offered clarification and correction of misrepresentations of what I said so many times now.

What rights of one group, at the cost of another, please be specific.
 
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really...I clarified at least twice on this one point alone and you all still try to pretend this is my issue and not your own. Give it a whirl, try going back and reading what I really did say, this time for meaning that I am offering and see what happens.

No one else sees it either, so if you want to have a discussion with others, it might be a good idea to clarify and help them understand.

When everyone is confused, it should tell you something.
 
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