Pictures of Jesus.

[Strong in Him]

So you think the Commandment to not make an image of anything up in Heaven has changed? Granted, I believe the Law has changed; But I do not believe this applies to the moral laws, though. Besides, in the New Testament, we are told to keep ourselves from idols.
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As the second person of the Trinity, the eternal word, Jesus was in heaven from the beginning - no one is making an idol of him, because it is impossible.
As a human being, Jesus was a baby, a boy and then a man. He had a physical body and a physical appearance. No one knows what that body looked like. Drawing/painting a picture, sculpting a statue, creating embroidery to suggest how he could have looked - or more accurately, how he could look to us as white westerners - is not in the same league as bowing down to idols, and is not wrong or sinful.

 

[Nikti]

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[topcare]

Not here to make you laugh. I am here to tell you the truth.

"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth." (John 17:17).


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Haven't seen any yet, just your version which is a long way from verifiable orthodox Christianity

 

[Root of Jesse]

One of the Ten Commandments says we are not to make an image of anything up in Heaven. Jesus is at the right hand of God in Heaven. Granted, many Christians are not bowing down to these images, but many of them DO think the popular drawings of Jesus are a representation of Jesus Christ (Who is the One we worship). However, nobody truly knows what Jesus really looked like today. These drawings are only representations of artist's imaginations. It's not truth. It's a promotion of untruth. In other words, there are many Christians who worship and pray to Jesus visualizing in their mind that He looks like a white American or European when in reality he was actually "Semitic" (i.e. Semtic is a word taken from the word "Shem", one of Noah's sons). Semitic people are mid tone in complexion. For Jesus was a Hebrew (i.e. a Jew). He is not a white American / European. Now, there has been a few semitic renditions of Jesus, but again: This would not be an accurate image of Jesus and what he really looks like.

I think it is bad enough that people are making images of him, then they have to make things even worse by erasing His Jewish heritage by making him into a white American or European when he is actually Semitic type person in appearance. So every time someone posts an image of Jesus (Which is usually a white person like myself), I say, "That is not Jesus." We do not know what He actually looks like. So it is my admonishment to all those out there who do posts pictures of Jesus, to stop displaying images of Him as if this was Jesus. Yes, we can read a comic to our kids that might have a comic rendition of Jesus so they can learn the Bible, but it must be explained to them that this is not what Jesus really looks like. What say you?


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Jesus made two images, at least, of Himself. No need for others.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Actually I see pagan elements in this photo and his hand gesture is of the new age, as well.

Here is another photo of Jesus that is similar.

Notice the circle like sun behind the head that is common in many of these types of images of Jesus.

Let's look at some pagan art.

See the sun like circle behind their heads?

Also, notice the hand gesture of the picture of Jesus I had shown. Here is a similar hand gesture in this new age Buddah statue.

There are many more differences between images of Jesus and the images you've shown than there are similarities. Between the Buddha and Jesus, one looks outward (Jesus), the other looks inward.

 

[Jipsah]

The Bible is the final Word of authority here.

But all you offer is your opinion, which doesn't appear to correlate exactly with Scripture, or anyone else's understanding of Scripture.

Don't like icons? Cool, don't use 'em.

If one pictures Jesus in their mind as how artists render him, they are not worshiping him in truth but they are worshiping a lie.

Your opinion is, again, duly noted.

 

[Jipsah]

Not here to make you laugh. I am here to tell you the truth.

But what you give is your opinion, which us worth precisely the price charged.

 

[Jipsah]

I am saying the image is pagan in origin because it copies pagan artwork.

Which is, of course, baloney.

"The New Age movement includes elements of older spiritual and religious traditions ranging from monotheism through pantheism,"

And since Christianity is monotheistic, then it must be New Age, right? Of course, the fact is that New Age includes everything from DC to daylight, so you can relate anything you like to New Age-ism if you're willing to do some violence to the truth.

In other words, it's the same ole false pagan lady just fitted in a new dress to look different but she is not.

Lessee, pagans pray. Does your sect pray? Pagan! Pagans sing. Does your sect sing? Pagan! Pagans assemble to worship their deity/deities. Does you sect assemble to worship God? Pagan! Pagans had holidays and feasts. Does your sect observe holidays and feasts? Pagan! Pagans were baptized, often by immersion. Does your sect baptize? Pagan!

See what an easy game that is to play?

[For the Scriptures say, there is nothing new under the sun.

So it appears. <Laugh>



Thank you for the verbal attack. I will rejoice in God my Savior.


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[Jipsah]

Shoulder length hair is still considered long hair.

Scripture on that, please. Where does the Bible say how long a man's hair should be?

 

[Berean777]

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[ViaCrucis]

The heresy of Iconoclasm was already addressed a long time ago at the 2nd Council of Nicea.

What some want to do here is reinvent the wheel.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[SAAN]

One of the Ten Commandments says we are not to make an image of anything up in Heaven. Jesus is at the right hand of God in Heaven. Granted, many Christians are not bowing down to these images, but many of them DO think the popular drawings of Jesus are a representation of Jesus Christ (Who is the One we worship). However, nobody truly knows what Jesus really looked like today. These drawings are only representations of artist's imaginations. It's not truth. It's a promotion of untruth. In other words, there are many Christians who worship and pray to Jesus visualizing in their mind that He looks like a white American or European when in reality he was actually "Semitic" (i.e. Semtic is a word taken from the word "Shem", one of Noah's sons). Semitic people are mid tone in complexion. For Jesus was a Hebrew (i.e. a Jew). He is not a white American / European. Now, there has been a few semitic renditions of Jesus, but again: This would not be an accurate image of Jesus and what he really looks like.

I think it is bad enough that people are making images of him, then they have to make things even worse by erasing His Jewish heritage by making him into a white American or European when he is actually Semitic type person in appearance. So every time someone posts an image of Jesus (Which is usually a white person like myself), I say, "That is not Jesus." We do not know what He actually looks like. So it is my admonishment to all those out there who do posts pictures of Jesus, to stop displaying images of Him as if this was Jesus. Yes, we can read a comic to our kids that might have a comic rendition of Jesus so they can learn the Bible, but it must be explained to them that this is not what Jesus really looks like. What say you?


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Going by scripture of a man described as having hair like wool and his feet were like bronze, im not sure how the whole European Jesus image has made it this long, when the bible clear describes a man of color. Matthew 2 even shows them going to Egypt to blend in with the people and everyone knows people in Egypt at that that time were all people of color.
The power of whitewashing has gone a long way.
Daniel 7:9 (KJV)
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

Daniel 10:5-6 (KJV)
5 Then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a certain man clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz:
6 His body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude.

Revelation 1:14-15(KJV)
14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Going by scripture of a man described as having hair like wool and his feet were like bronze, im not sure how the whole European Jesus image has made it this long, when the bible clear describes a man of color. Matthew 2 even shows them going to Egypt to blend in with the people and everyone knows people in Egypt at that that time were all people of color.
The power of whitewashing has gone a long way.
Daniel 7:9 (KJV)
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

Daniel 10:5-6 (KJV)
5 Then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a certain man clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz:
6 His body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude.

Revelation 1:14-15(KJV)
14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

I guess you've never seen icons of Jesus in the Byzantine style? What about the one Jesus left us, depicted in my avatar? What about the Shroud of Turin's image of Christ, which matches in dimensions the one depicted in my avatar?
Matthew 2 says nothing of them going to Egypt for the purpose of blending in with the people. They went as refugees fleeing political oppression. Something not uncommon in the day.

 

[SAAN]

I guess you've never seen icons of Jesus in the Byzantine style? What about the one Jesus left us, depicted in my avatar? What about the Shroud of Turin's image of Christ, which matches in dimensions the one depicted in my avatar?
Matthew 2 says nothing of them going to Egypt for the purpose of blending in with the people. They went as refugees fleeing political oppression. Something not uncommon in the day.

Jesus came from the tribe of Judah, which just about all research shows were people of color and even National Geographic did research on that a while back and said is was a great chance that Mary was a black woman.

We dont know what Jesus exactly looked like, but a blond hair blue eyes European is false. Its only one race of people on the planet who have hair like wool and skin like bronze and Ill leave it at that.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Jesus came from the tribe of Judah, which just about all research shows were people of color and even National Geographic did research on that a while back and said is was a great chance that Mary was a black woman.

We dont know what Jesus exactly looked like, but a blond hair blue eyes European is false. Its only one race of people on the planet who have hair like wool and skin like bronze and Ill leave it at that.

I've never seen a blond hair blue eyed icon of Jesus, or a painting of a blond hair blue eyed Jesus. But the icons I mentioned also don't show blond hair or blue eyes. But we can believe this is what Jesus looked like, because they match many details of the images he left us-the Shroud of Turin and the Holy Face of Manopello.

 

[Catherineanne]

One of the Ten Commandments says we are not to make an image of anything up in Heaven. Jesus is at the right hand of God in Heaven. Granted, many Christians are not bowing down to these images, but many of them DO think the popular drawings of Jesus are a representation of Jesus Christ (Who is the One we worship). However, nobody truly knows what Jesus really looked like today. These drawings are only representations of artist's imaginations. It's not truth. It's a promotion of untruth. In other words, there are many Christians who worship and pray to Jesus visualizing in their mind that He looks like a white American or European when in reality he was actually "Semitic" (i.e. Semtic is a word taken from the word "Shem", one of Noah's sons). Semitic people are mid tone in complexion. For Jesus was a Hebrew (i.e. a Jew). He is not a white American / European. Now, there has been a few semitic renditions of Jesus, but again: This would not be an accurate image of Jesus and what he really looks like.

I think it is bad enough that people are making images of him, then they have to make things even worse by erasing His Jewish heritage by making him into a white American or European when he is actually Semitic type person in appearance. So every time someone posts an image of Jesus (Which is usually a white person like myself), I say, "That is not Jesus." We do not know what He actually looks like. So it is my admonishment to all those out there who do posts pictures of Jesus, to stop displaying images of Him as if this was Jesus. Yes, we can read a comic to our kids that might have a comic rendition of Jesus so they can learn the Bible, but it must be explained to them that this is not what Jesus really looks like. What say you?


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Iconoclasm was declared a heresy many centuries ago.

End of.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Scripture on that, please. Where does the Bible say how long a man's hair should be?

It's a logical conclusion that you are denying. Paul said a woman's long hair is a covering (1 Corinthians 11:15). That determines if someone's hair is long or not. Shoulder length hair could be used as a covering or considered a covering (like a veil) for it can cover the face to a certain capacity. Men are more prone to baldness. So naturally it is normal for a man to have short hair. It's just how men and women are built.

Side Note:

Also, I noticed in your profile that you said you are a "blood drinker." Um, I do realize Jesus said in John 6 that we are to drink his blood, but he was speaking in spiritual terms and not physical terms. Do you believe otherwise?

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[ViaCrucis]

It's a logical conclusion that you are denying. Paul said a woman's long hair is a covering (1 Corinthians 11:15). That determines if someone's hair is long or not. Shoulder length hair could be used as a covering or considered a covering (like a veil) for it can cover the face to a certain capacity. Men are more prone to baldness. So naturally it is normal for a man to have short hair. It's just how men and women are built

So it should follow that men should shave their hair off entirely to be bald so as to avoid having any hair that covers them. Yes?

Side Note:

Also, I noticed in your profile that you said you are a "blood drinker." Um, I do realize Jesus said in John 6 that we are to drink his blood, but he was speaking in spiritual terms and not physical terms. Do you believe otherwise?

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It refers to Christian belief int he Real Presence. When the Lord said, at the Supper, "This is My body" and "This is My blood", the Christian position throughout history has been to take Jesus at His word. The teaching that Jesus was only speaking figuratively, known as Memorialism, didn't exist until the 1500s when proposed by Ulrich Zwingli.

If you want to attack the Christian teaching of the Real Presence you should probably start another thread.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Which is, of course, baloney.

And since Christianity is monotheistic, then it must be New Age, right? Of course, the fact is that New Age includes everything from DC to daylight, so you can relate anything you like to New Age-ism if you're willing to do some violence to the truth.

Lessee, pagans pray. Does your sect pray? Pagan! Pagans sing. Does your sect sing? Pagan! Pagans assemble to worship their deity/deities. Does you sect assemble to worship God? Pagan! Pagans had holidays and feasts. Does your sect observe holidays and feasts? Pagan! Pagans were baptized, often by immersion. Does your sect baptize? Pagan!

See what an easy game that is to play?

So it appears. <Laugh>

Apples and oranges. There are things that are exclusively pagan. Just as there are things that are exclusive to squirrels. Just as there are things that are exclusive to body language. Of course someone who is accustomed to something pagan is not going to recognize it, though; And the best "pagan detector" is the Bible.

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[ViaCrucis]

Jesus came from the tribe of Judah, which just about all research shows were people of color and even National Geographic did research on that a while back and said is was a great chance that Mary was a black woman.

We dont know what Jesus exactly looked like, but a blond hair blue eyes European is false. Its only one race of people on the planet who have hair like wool and skin like bronze and Ill leave it at that.

Christian art and iconography the world over utilizes images of Jesus and the Saints that look like the culture that writes the icons and paints the pictures.

From Ethiopia:

From China:

The idea of photographic realism as an integral part of art or iconography is a modern idea. It's simply not how Christian images have been done throughout history. Christian art and iconography has never been about conveying photographic realism, but communicating theology.

When Christ is depicted in the indigenous culture it's not about saying Jesus was white or Jesus was black or Jesus was Chinese; it's about saying Jesus was (and is) one of us, a human being.

-CryptoLutheran