Pictures of Jesus.

[prodromos]

Check out this article here:

http://the-end-time.blogspot.com/2012/09/is-it-sinful-to-createor-use-art-using.html

Why? It doesn't relate to any of the points I raised.

 

[prodromos]

Icons of Christ, as used in the Orthodox Church, are a defense of the dogma of the incarnation. It isn't surprising that the most iconoclastic religion around, Islam, denies the incarnation.

 

[SinnerInTheHands]

Sin is separation from GOD.

I am sinful, and I do need a savior. However, since I do nothing towards my own salvation and God has promised me salvation through Christ and given me faith, why will He suddenly withdraw that favor when I did nothing to deserve it in the first place?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

The disc of light surrounding His head is a symbol of the uncreated light, God's divine energy radiating from His physical body. You might remember reading about this in the gospels when Jesus took Peter, James and John up on Mt Tabor.

His face shined as the sun and his clothes were as light. There was not a sun symbol behind his head that is symbolic of sun worship in other pagan artwork.

By definition, "new age" art work would later than Christian art work, so they would be copying Christian art, not vice versa. I would also be very surprised to find their fingers forming the letters ICXC which stands for IHCOYC XΡICTOC

Uh, no. There are sun symbols behind or at top of the head in older artistic works that pre-date Christ.

600 BC.
http://www.bible-history.com/archaeology/egypt/apis-the-bull-god.html

6th Century BCE
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Isis_Enthroned-Egyptian-650-BCE.jpg

And here is even more Egyptian Art.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I am sinful, and I do need a savior. However, since I do nothing towards my own salvation and God has promised me salvation through Christ and given me faith, why will He suddenly withdraw that favor when I did nothing to deserve it in the first place?

Nowhere does the Bible ever say we are sinners (present tense) saved by grace. Believers are called saints in the Bible for a reason.

"And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
Therefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator."
(1 Peter 4:18-19).

The passage says we are to suffer the will of God to the keeping of our souls in WELL DOING and not evil doing. It also says we suffer in well doing for the KEEPING OF OUR SOULS, too. Also, the context of this passage is in 17, which says,

"what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" (1 Peter 4:17).

Who are they that do not obey the gospel of God? It is the ungodly and the sinner (Obviously).

Who are the righteous?

The Bible says, "Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous." (1 John 3:7).

"He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil." (1 John 3:8).

Paul says, "Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?" (2 Corinthians 13:5).

Paul then says, "Now I pray to God that you do no evil;"

So if Paul is praying that you do not evil, then why are on Earth are you rejoicing in such a thing by saying you are a sinner?

The Bible says, "For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved." (John 3:20).


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[topcare]

Dude just stop it is evident you have no idea abut authentic variable orthodox Christianity, just your version.

 

[SinnerInTheHands]

Dude just stop it is evident you have no idea abut authentic variable orthodox Christianity, just your version.

Me or him?

 

[prodromos]

His face shined as the sun and his clothes were as light. There was not a sun symbol behind his head that is symbolic of sun worship in other pagan artwork.

It is not a sun symbol, it is a disc of light symbolising God's divine uncreated energy. We do not, nor have we ever worshipped the sun, unlike the pagan religions, so for you to keep claiming it represents the sun is to stubbornly bear false witness against your brothers.

Uh, no. There are sun symbols behind or at top of the head in older artistic works that pre-date Christ.

Then by definition they are not "new age"

600 BC.
http://www.bible-history.com/archaeology/egypt/apis-the-bull-god.html

6th Century BCE
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Isis_Enthroned-Egyptian-650-BCE.jpg

And here is even more Egyptian Art.

None of the above are remotely like Orthodox icons of Christ. You are even worse than Hislop.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Another thing that is unbiblical about these drawings of Jesus is that he has long hair.

“They [the priests] shall not shave their heads, or let their locks grow LONG, they shall only trim the hair of their heads” (Ezekiel 44:20 RSV).

Granted, Jesus was after a different priesthood order, but Jesus also would have followed the Law of Moses, though. For he came to fulfill the Law. You cannot fulfill the Law and be a heavenly high priest if you disrespect the Law.

Anyways, history even confirms this. Here is a quote taken from Epiphanius (379–395 C.E.).

“ … Moreover, they are deceiving who represent the likeness of saints in various forms according to their fancy, sometimes showing the same persons as old men, sometimes as youths, intruding into things which they have not seen. For they paint the Savior with long hair, and this by guessing because He is called a Nazarene, and Nazarites wear long hair."

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[seashale76]

You know you've got a problem when your every argument is a variation on the theme that nobody saw Jesus Christ.

 

[prodromos]

Another thing that is unbiblical about these drawings of Jesus is that he has long hair.

Only to His shoulders.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

It is not a sun symbol, it is a disc of light symbolising God's divine uncreated energy. We do not, nor have we ever worshipped the sun, unlike the pagan religions, so for you to keep claiming it represents the sun is to stubbornly bear false witness against your brothers.

I am not claiming you worship the sun. Nowhere did I ever say that. I am saying the image is pagan in origin because it copies pagan artwork.

Then by definition they are not "new age"

"The New Age movement includes elements of older spiritual and religious traditions ranging from monotheism through pantheism,"
~ Wikiepedia.​

In other words, it's the same ole false pagan lady just fitted in a new dress to look different but she is not.

For the Scriptures say, there is nothing new under the sun.

None of the above are remotely like Orthodox icons of Christ. You are even worse than Hislop.

Thank you for the verbal attack. I will rejoice in God my Savior.


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[Bible Highlighter]

Only to His shoulders.

Shoulder length hair is still considered long hair. Besides, if Jesus had long hair that made him stand out from his disciples, then there would have been no need to have Judas betray him with a kiss so as to identify him (So as to be arrested). Judas would have just said he was the guy with the long hair.


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[Bible Highlighter]

You know you've got a problem when your every argument is a variation on the theme that nobody saw Jesus Christ.

The apostles seen Jesus Christ. But even the apostles said they did not regard him after the flesh anymore.

Jesus said, "Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."

Jesus is saying it is more blessed to believe without seeing anything. Why?

Hebrews 11:1
"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."

Saying you need a visual image to help you believe or to have faith kind of destroys that idea.


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[topcare]

Me or him?

him

 

[Bible Highlighter]

him

The Bible is the final Word of authority here. It refutes the notion that one can create false images of God (Whereby we would unconsciously regard him in looking that way when we do converse with God).

But we are to worship God in spirit and in truth. If one pictures Jesus in their mind as how artists render him, they are not worshiping him in truth but they are worshiping a lie.

For praying can be considered a form of worship.

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[topcare]

Who said it is? You, don't make me laugh

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Who said it is? You, don't make me laugh

Not here to make you laugh. I am here to tell you the truth.

"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth." (John 17:17).


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[prodromos]

I am not claiming you worship the sun. Nowhere did I ever say that.

It is implied by your claiming it is the pagan symbol. We've told you what it represents in Orthodox iconography yet you continue to draw inference to the sun symbol. There is no connection. It is not a copy of a pagan symbol. Stop bearing false witness.

I am saying the image is pagan in origin because it copies pagan artwork.

You have not demonstrated such, nor can you. Circles and discs predate paganism.

Thank you for the verbal attack. I will rejoice in God my Savior.

Willfully remaining in your error doth not a martyr make.

 

[prodromos]

Shoulder length hair is still considered long hair.

By what standard? What evidence do you have to definitively demonstrate what length was considered long in the 1st century AD?