God's LAW has not ended -- according to the Bible

[BobRyan]

The 10 commandments cannot be willfully forsaken without willfully forsaking God.

They are called the "Commandments of God" so no wonder the "saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

10 Commandments are
Commandments of God Neh 10:29
Law of God ; Neh 10:29
Word of God Mark 7:13
Commandment of GodMark 7:6-13
NT ScriptureJames 2:8
NT Law James 2:9-11
NT Commandments Eph 6:2, Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10

 

[bbbbbbb]

They are called the "Commandments of God" so no wonder the "saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

10 Commandments are
Commandments of God Neh 10:29
Law of God ; Neh 10:29
Word of God Mark 7:13
Commandment of GodMark 7:6-13
NT ScriptureJames 2:8
NT Law James 2:9-11
NT Commandments Eph 6:2, Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10

Please show us in any of your citations where the commandments are restricted to the Ten Commandments only.

 

[BobRyan]

10 Commandments are
Commandments of God Neh 10:29
Law of God ; Neh 10:29
Word of God Mark 7:13
Commandment of God Mark 7:6-13
NT Scripture James 2:8
NT Law James 2:9-11
NT Commandments Eph 6:2, Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10

Neh 10:29 is a great example. - The Commandments of God are specifically inclusive of the 7th day Sabbath and called the "Law of God" as given by Moses on Sinai.

29 these joined with their brethren, their nobles, and entered into a curse and an oath to walk in God’s Law, which was given by Moses the servant of God, and to observe and do all the commandments of the Lord our Lord, and His ordinances and His statutes: 30 We would not give our daughters as wives to the peoples of the land, nor take their daughters for our sons; 31 if the peoples of the land brought wares or any grain to sell on the Sabbath day, we would not buy it from them on the Sabbath, or on a holy day; and we would forego the seventh year’s produce and the exacting of every debt.

Which Paul insists as the Ten Commandments written on stone. 2 Cor 3
7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away,


Eph 6:2 the 5th Commandment to Honor Parents = FIRST commandment with a promise in that UNIT of Ten.
2 “Honor your father and mother,” which is the first commandment with promise:



James 2
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well; 9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

 

[bbbbbbb]

10 Commandments are
Commandments of God Neh 10:29
Law of God ; Neh 10:29
Word of God Mark 7:13
Commandment of God Mark 7:6-13
NT Scripture James 2:8
NT Law James 2:9-11
NT Commandments Eph 6:2, Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10

Neh 10:29 is a great example. - The Commandments of God are specifically inclusive of the 7th day Sabbath and called the "Law of God" as given by Moses on Sinai.

29 these joined with their brethren, their nobles, and entered into a curse and an oath to walk in God’s Law, which was given by Moses the servant of God, and to observe and do all the commandments of the Lord our Lord, and His ordinances and His statutes: 30 We would not give our daughters as wives to the peoples of the land, nor take their daughters for our sons; 31 if the peoples of the land brought wares or any grain to sell on the Sabbath day, we would not buy it from them on the Sabbath, or on a holy day; and we would forego the seventh year’s produce and the exacting of every debt.

Which Paul insists as the Ten Commandments written on stone. 2 Cor 3
7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away,


Eph 6:2 the 5th Commandment to Honor Parents = FIRST commandment with a promise in that UNIT of Ten.
2 “Honor your father and mother,” which is the first commandment with promise:



James 2
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well; 9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

So, are the other 603 the suggestions of God?

 

[BobRyan]

So, are the other 603 the suggestions of God?

Neither the NT 1150 or the OT 603 are God's "suggestions".

 

[bbbbbbb]

Neither the NT 1150 or the OT 603 are God's "suggestions".

If, in fact, they are commandments, do you obey them all?

 

[BobRyan]

As the "Baptist Confession of Faith" and the "Westminster Confession of Faith" - D.L. Moody, R.C Sproul, C.H. Spurgeon and the Bible all agree - the moral law of God - the "Commandments of God" remain for all mankind to keep. As Paul says in Rom 3 and Gal 3 - the Law of God "defines what sin is" and so in Romans 6 you are not to be enslaved to sin - to rebellion against the Law of God.

"what matters is KEEPING the commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19 - for those interested in a sola-scriptura statement on this doctrine.

 

[bbbbbbb]

As the "Baptist Confession of Faith" and the "Westminster Confession of Faith" - D.L. Moody, R.C Sproul, C.H. Spurgeon and the Bible all agree - the moral law of God - the "Commandments of God" remain for all mankind to keep. As Paul says in Rom 3 and Gal 3 - the Law of God "defines what sin is" and so in Romans 6 you are not to be enslaved to sin - to rebellion against the Law of God.

"what matters is KEEPING the commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19 - for those interested in a sola-scriptura statement on this doctrine.

Your reading skills seem to be somewhat lacking. I thought I asked a direct question, yet you have failed to answer it. Here it is again -

If, in fact, they are commandments, do you obey them all?

 

[BobRyan]

As the "Baptist Confession of Faith" and the "Westminster Confession of Faith" - D.L. Moody, R.C Sproul, C.H. Spurgeon and the Bible all agree - the moral law of God - the "Commandments of God" remain for all mankind to keep. As Paul says in Rom 3 and Gal 3 - the Law of God "defines what sin is" and so in Romans 6 you are not to be enslaved to sin - to rebellion against the Law of God.

"what matters is KEEPING the commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19 - for those interested in a sola-scriptura statement on this doctrine.

Your reading skills seem to be somewhat lacking.

It is the nature of false accusations that the evidence for them ... does not exist.

I thought I asked a direct question, yet you have failed to answer it. Here it is again -

If, in fact, they are commandments, do you obey them all?

As I stated in my previous answer to this - Sola Scriptura testing is what I believe in -- I would never argue that one must not worry about taking God's name in vain - until they are first sinless. And most on this board would agree with this obvious point.

I have also stated that even these pro-Sunday scholars accept the Bible fact that the moral law of God is still binding on all the saints.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

Your complaint that is of the form "1150 commands in the NT are too many for God to have " and that "613 commands" in the OT are "too many for God to have" - is not sola scriptura anything.

It is rejected.

As for Hebrews 10 stating that the animal sacrifices are done away with - I think we all can see that as well.

your argument is dying at the point of the "obvious" Bible facts in opposition to it. Facts that are easily apparent to both sides of the question.

 

[BobRyan]

Do you really think that any of those pro-Sunday sources would sail out in direct opposition to these texts?

Paul said "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
Paul said "do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the Law of God" Rom 3:31
Heb 8:6-10 "I will write My LAW on their mind and on their heart"

1Cor 6
6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.
7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?
8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

And of course - for those that actually accept sola scriptura testing of all teaching...

Mark 7
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.


Paul provides a perfect explanation of it in Romans 8


Romans 8
3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. (KJV)

Rom 8 (NKJV)
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Rom 8 (NASB)
3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.

 

[bbbbbbb]

As the "Baptist Confession of Faith" and the "Westminster Confession of Faith" - D.L. Moody, R.C Sproul, C.H. Spurgeon and the Bible all agree - the moral law of God - the "Commandments of God" remain for all mankind to keep. As Paul says in Rom 3 and Gal 3 - the Law of God "defines what sin is" and so in Romans 6 you are not to be enslaved to sin - to rebellion against the Law of God.

"what matters is KEEPING the commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19 - for those interested in a sola-scriptura statement on this doctrine.



It is the nature of false accusations that the evidence for them ... does not exist.



As I stated in my previous answer to this - Sola Scriptura testing is what I believe in -- I would never argue that one must not worry about taking God's name in vain - until they are first sinless. And most on this board would agree with this obvious point.

I have also stated that even these pro-Sunday scholars accept the Bible fact that the moral law of God is still binding on all the saints.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

Your complaint that is of the form "1150 commands in the NT are too many for God to have " and that "613 commands" in the OT are "too many for God to have" - is not sola scriptura anything.

It is rejected.

As for Hebrews 10 stating that the animal sacrifices are done away with - I think we all can see that as well.

your argument is dying at the point of the "obvious" Bible facts in opposition to it. Facts that are easily apparent to both sides of the question.

As I expected. Like everyone else on this earth, you do not obey God's explicit commandments in their entirety.

 

[BobRyan]

And yet --

As I stated in my previous answer to this - Sola Scriptura testing is what I believe in -- I would never argue that one must not worry about taking God's name in vain - until they are first sinless. And most on this board would agree with this obvious point.

I have also stated that even these pro-Sunday scholars accept the Bible fact that the moral law of God is still binding on all the saints.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

Your complaint that is of the form "1150 commands in the NT are too many for God to have " and that "613 commands" in the OT are "too many for God to have" - is not sola scriptura anything.

It is rejected.

As for Hebrews 10 stating that the animal sacrifices are done away with - I think we all can see that as well.

your argument is dying at the point of the "obvious" Bible facts in opposition to it. Facts that are easily apparent to both sides of the question.

 

[bugkiller]

They are called the "Commandments of God" so no wonder the "saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

10 Commandments are
Commandments of God Neh 10:29
Law of God ; Neh 10:29
Word of God Mark 7:13
Commandment of GodMark 7:6-13
NT ScriptureJames 2:8
NT Law James 2:9-11
NT Commandments Eph 6:2, Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10

Gal 3:19 and Heb 7:12 are being ignored here.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Your reading skills seem to be somewhat lacking. I thought I asked a direct question, yet you have failed to answer it. Here it is again -

If, in fact, they are commandments, do you obey them all?

Wow I thought I was the only one who has observed and commented on reading skills. Nice to have company.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

And yet --

As I stated in my previous answer to this - Sola Scriptura testing is what I believe in --

Yeah right.

I would never argue that one must not worry about taking God's name in vain - until they are first sinless. And most on this board would agree with this obvious point.

I have also stated that even these pro-Sunday scholars accept the Bible fact that the moral law of God is still binding on all the saints.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

Your complaint that is of the form "1150 commands in the NT are too many for God to have " and that "613 commands" in the OT are "too many for God to have" - is not sola scriptura anything.

It is rejected.

As for Hebrews 10 stating that the animal sacrifices are done away with - I think we all can see that as well.

your argument is dying at the point of the "obvious" Bible facts in opposition to it. Facts that are easily apparent to both sides of the question.

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

yesyoushould said: ↑
The 10 commandments cannot be willfully forsaken without willfully forsaking God.

Amen!

QUOTE="BobRyan, post: 68551642, member: 235244"]They are called the "Commandments of God" so no wonder the "saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

10 Commandments are
Commandments of God Neh 10:29
Law of God ; Neh 10:29
Word of God Mark 7:13
Commandment of God Mark 7:6-13
NT Scripture James 2:8
NT Law James 2:9-11
NT Commandments Eph 6:2, Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10[/QUOTE]

Gal 3:19 and Heb 7:12 are being ignored here.

bugkiller

Can you prove that false accusation?

Do either of them say not to refer to the Bible texts that were listed above?

 

[BobRyan]

As I expected. Like everyone else on this earth, you do not obey God's explicit commandments in their entirety.

QUOTE="BobRyan, post: 68568779, member: 235244"]And yet --

As I stated in my previous answer to this - Sola Scriptura testing is what I believe in -- I would never argue that one must not worry about taking God's name in vain - until they are first sinless. And most on this board would agree with this obvious point.

I have also stated that even these pro-Sunday scholars accept the Bible fact that the moral law of God is still binding on all the saints.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

Your complaint that is of the form "1150 commands in the NT are too many for God to have " and that "613 commands" in the OT are "too many for God to have" - is not sola scriptura anything.

It is rejected.

As for Hebrews 10 stating that the animal sacrifices are done away with - I think we all can see that as well.

your argument is dying at the point of the "obvious" Bible facts in opposition to it. Facts that are easily apparent to both sides of the question.[/QUOTE]


Because in the GT section of this board - some groups are at war against sola scriptura while others claim to affirm it.

But when you come over to Sabbath and the LAW of God -- section of the board - suddenly some of the sola scriptura crowd forget it entirely.

Yeah right.bugkiller

I will take agreement where I find it.

 

[BobRyan]

Seems to be a great deal of interest lately in the Romans 8 affirmation of God's Ten Commandments

QUOTE="BobRyan, post: 68476380, member: 235244"]NT saints still show that they Love God - when they "Keep God's commandments".

1 John 5
Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and whoever loves the Father loves the child born of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

"If you Love Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"Love Me and KEEP My Commandments" Ex 20:6
According to the bible the "saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

According to the Bible that "cannot keep God's Law" scenario is the case for the lost

And so then what about "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death."?? Romans 8:2 -- does it free us to take God's name in vain to be set free from the "Law of Sin and death" or does it simply refer to Romans 7

Romans 7
21 I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good. 22 For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, 23 but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death?

"For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death."?? Romans 8:2

What a mistake then to equate the Law of God that Paul agrees with - (that includes the TEN Commandments according to Rom 7) -- into the "Law of sin"


Romans 8
3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. (KJV)

Rom 8 (NKJV)
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Rom 8 (NASB)
3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.[/QUOTE]

 

[BobRyan]

In Romans 7 Paul contrasts the law of the "sinful nature" vs the Law of God - that is Holy and good. The law of the sinful nature brings death and is contrasted this way with God's Law.

Romans 7
21 I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good. 22 For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, 23 but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death?

In Romans 8 that law of the sinful nature is called "the Law of sin and death".

And those enslaved to it - "Do not submit to the LAW of God - neither indeed can they" according to Romans 8.

 

[Honey Parallel]

Galatians 5:18New Living Translation (NLT)
18 But when you are directed by the Spirit, you are not under obligation to the law of Moses.

Who said that? Paul? Or Jesus?