Ten Commandments still valid so says Bible and pro-Sunday Scholars

[yesyoushould]

God is love. Love doesn't fight against the Ten Commandments.

 

[yesyoushould]

The only way to escape evil, is against it. Do not be fooled by those who reject God, saying, "it is ok to do evil", they have forsaken God, and wage war against us.

 

[^j^RaspberryAngel]

Even as dark as it is becoming in this world yes, the 10 common sense articles God sought to have copied down so there's be no mistaking them, are still relevant. And practiced. And remain as a light in the growing shade.

The granite monuments that are inscribed with them that are being removed from public sight of late? Don't take away the words of truth. Rather, when those monuments can be installed on private land and still be seen in public, it shows how afraid the encroaching shadows are of an eternal light breathed by a spirit that never dies.
Something the darkness cannot say of itself at all.

[FONT=&quot]Are God's Ten Commandments still valid ??

That is the primary question to be answered on this section of the board.

And the irrefutable response from scripture is ... "yes".

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Here we have the NT text providing examples from the TEN Commandments -- affirming them as "still" valid.

And of course scripture is -- true.

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Matt 19
And someone came to Him and said;Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life 17 And He said to him, Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments; 18 Then he *said to Him, Which ones? And Jesus said,
You shall not commit murder;
You shall not commit adultery;
You shall not steal;
You shall not bear false witness;
19 Honor your father and mother;
and
You shall love your neighbor as yourself


"what matters is Keeping the Commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19


Matt 5
17 Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


"do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31

What law? The Law that condemns all mankind as sinners -

Rom 3
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

That same law - same chapter

"do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31

Note Paul says in Romans 3 that this is the Law that defines sin and condemns the entire world as sinners... that would not be "the Law about Passover". That does not condemn gentiles at all.
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The context in Romans 3 is not Psalms but rather the LAW that condemns all mankind under sin.

Which I think even you will admit is not simply the Psalms - but the TEN Commandments written on stone the "LAW of death" as Paul calls it in 2Cor 3.

2 Cor 3
7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away ==============================

(So then the moral law of God is being affirmed by all of scripture "the Law and the Prophets" a term that specifies all of OT "scripture")

Matt 22 "On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.

Luke 16:16 "The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it."

Any part of scripture read could fall under that title.

Acts 13:15 And after the reading of the Law and the Prophets, the rulers of the synagogue sent to them, saying, Men and brethren, if you have any word of exhortation for the people, say on.

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Rom 7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.


Rom 13
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Thou shalt not covet;

and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.


James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, ou shall love your neighbor as yourself, (Lev 19:18) you are doing well.
9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
11 For He who said, [/FONT]
Do not commit adultery
also said,
Do not commit murder.
Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty

 

[yesyoushould]

As you will witness

 

[^j^RaspberryAngel]

Hard to miss.

 

[BobRyan]

God is love. Love doesn't fight against the Ten Commandments.

Amen! especially since Heb 8:6-10 declares that Christ is the one that gave us the Ten Commandments on Mt Sinai.

 

[yesyoushould]

Amen! especially since Heb 8:6-10 declares that Christ is the one that gave us the Ten Commandments on Mt Sinai.

Right on. Can't argue against God without being wrong.

 

[BobRyan]

And of course the majority of even pro-Sunday scholarship as noted below in the signature line - would agree with affirming God's Commandments just as Paul insists in 1Cor 7:19.

 

[yesyoushould]

The 10 commandments cannot be willfully forsaken without willfully forsaking God.

 

[yesyoushould]

It is very hard to imagine any forsaking Gods word and proclaiming to be for it.

 

[BobRyan]

The 10 commandments cannot be willfully forsaken without willfully forsaking God.

They are called the "Commandments of God" so no wonder the "saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"

 

[bbbbbbb]

Do you actually believe that God did not give more than ten commandments?

 

[BobRyan]

Actually
Lev 19:18 "Love your neighbor as yourself"
Deut 6:5 "Love God with all your heart"

Are not in the Ten Commandments - so while the Ten Commandments are included in the moral LAW of God they are not the only Commands in it.

John 14:15 "If you Love Me KEEP My Commandments"
Ex 20:5 "Love Me and KEEP My Commandments"
Rev 14:12 "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"

Yet -
Eph 6:2 the 5th Commandment to Honor Parents = FIRST commandment with a promise in that UNIT of Ten.
2 “Honor your father and mother,” which is the first commandment with promise:

 

[bbbbbbb]

Do you actually believe that God did not give more than ten commandments?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

There's a summary of the commandments in Romans 13, the 10 and "any other" commandment. Makes it simple.

 

[bbbbbbb]

There's a summary of the commandments in Romans 13, the 10 and "any other" commandment. Makes it simple.

Shall I assume that you believe that includes all 613 commandments?

 

[BobRyan]

There's a summary of the commandments in Romans 13, the 10 and "any other" commandment. Makes it simple.

Rom 13 does not include
"Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5 -- but Christ does include it in Matt 22.
Rom 13 does not include the rule to not bow down to idols - but Acts 15 does.

There are many examples of the 1150 commands in the NT not found in Romans 13.

 

[BobRyan]

Do you actually believe that God did not give more than ten commandments?

First quote me saying that -

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Shall I assume that you believe that includes all 613 commandments?

Any other commandment would be a call to examine all rules and see how it is preventing harm, love does not harm their neighbour is the main principle of law.

Rom 13 does not include
"Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5 -- but Christ does include it in Matt 22.
Rom 13 does not include the rule to not bow down to idols - but Acts 15 does.

There are many examples of the 1150 commands in the NT not found in Romans 13.

Love God with all your heart is relational, if one simply did it because it was commanded .. it would not be genuine and disobey the commandment in following it.

However, Romans 13 does say "any other commandment" so it includes any .. it is expounding upon the principle of law .. so the reader should pay attention.

 

[BobRyan]

Obeying God - because God said it - is the sign of loving God according to 1John 5:1-4