If you're a Christian and pro-choice, you're on the wrong side of the issue.

[Ana the Ist]

Why would it be a tough decision unless we know intuitively that an unborn child is a person?

Let's pretend that even if we just think it's potentially a person it's still a tough choice.

 

[patricius79]

So if you got into a relatively minor car crash with a woman who is 2 weeks pregnant....and she loses the baby immediately afterwards....you think that you should be charged with manslaughter?

If the person was driving drunk, yes.

 

[patricius79]

Let's pretend that even if we just think it's potentially a person it's still a tough choice.

What do you mean by "potentially a person"?

 

[Ana the Ist]

If the person was driving drunk, yes.

Oh no my friend...if you were just going 5 miles over the speed limit that can be considered "reckless driving" and charged with manslaughter can carry 5-30 years depending on the state you're in. So let's hear it? Plead guilty and do the time?

Mom may only have gotten a nasty bump on the head but her baby is gone...

 

[Ana the Ist]

What do you mean by "potentially a person"?

What part of "potentially a person" don't you understand?

 

[patricius79]

Oh no my friend...if you were just going 5 miles over the speed limit that can be considered "reckless driving" and charged with manslaughter can carry 5-30 years depending on the state you're in. So let's hear it? Plead guilty and do the time?

Mom may only have gotten a nasty bump on the head but her baby is gone...

The issue there would be whether someone going five miles over the limit should ever be charged for manslaughter for that. But if they should, then in this scenario where the baby is killed, they should be charged with manslaughter.

An unborn baby is no less human than you or me.

 

[patricius79]

What part of "potentially a person" don't you understand?

I don't know what you mean by it.

 

[Ana the Ist]

The issue there would be whether someone going five miles over the limit should ever be charged for manslaughter for that. But if they should, then in this scenario where the baby is killed, they should be charged with manslaughter.

An unborn baby is no less human than you or me.

Well that's where you and I disagree...at just two weeks it's significantly less human than you or me.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I don't know what you mean by it.

potentially
[puh-ten-shuh-lee]

adverb
1.
possibly but not yet actually:
potentially useful information.

person
[pur-suh n]

noun
1.
a human being, whether an adult or child

 

[patricius79]

Well that's where you and I disagree...at just two weeks it's significantly less human than you or me.

Do you think newborns are less human than you?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Do you think newborns are less human than you?

You're talking about a person who has been born? I just wanna be sure we got the same definition for "newborns".

 

[Blank Stair]

Here is further evidence making it clear that being pro-life isn't just a religious argument. I post this in response to a previous post:

http://www.l4l.org
http://www.secularprolife.org

It can't be a religious argument. Not when the god identified is suppose to be the role model for the religious as to right behavior. If the god of any religion kills babies in utero, it can't be argued that that same god is against abortion.

The argument that a god is god and therefore can do anything that god wants doesn't correlate to righteous example. The do as I say not as I do argument.
Because arguing that humans can't choose to abort when that particular human's god does is saying the human, by human edict alone, since the god aborts at will, must assume a higher moral standard of right-ness, (righteousness) than does the god they worship.
All gods of every religion kill at will.
Humans then should assume a greater respect for life than the god they worship?

 

[patricius79]

You're talking about a person who has been born? I just wanna be sure we got the same definition for "newborns".

Yeah.

 

[Blank Stair]

And lets not forget, the majority of pregnancies are naturally aborted on their own.

I don't know about saying the majority are, but yes, miscarriage is not uncommon.

 

[brinny]

Well that's where you and I disagree...at just two weeks it's significantly less human than you or me.

When does an unborn baby become "human"? Was there a point that they were not human? If so, when did their "human-ness" begin, and why?

Thank you.

 

[patricius79]

potentially
[puh-ten-shuh-lee]

adverb
1.
possibly but not yet actually:
potentially useful information.

person
[pur-suh n]

noun
1.
a human being, whether an adult or child

I don't see how something could be potentially human. Either the being is human or not. The issue is whether the being's powers are fully developed. But in nature, a zygote is genetically human as we are, and is essentially as human as we are.

 

[patricius79]

It can't be a religious argument. Not when the god identified is suppose to be the role model for the religious as to right behavior. If the god of any religion kills babies in utero, it can't be argued that that same god is against abortion.

The argument that a god is god and therefore can do anything that god wants doesn't correlate to righteous example. The do as I say not as I do argument.
Because arguing that humans can't choose to abort when that particular human's god does is saying the human, by human edict alone, since the god aborts at will, must assume a higher moral standard of right-ness, (righteousness) than does the god they worship.
All gods of every religion kill at will.
Humans then should assume a greater respect for life than the god they worship?

God doesn't abort. People do.

 

[patricius79]

I don't know about saying the majority are, but yes, miscarriage is not uncommon.

A miscarriage is not an abortion.

 

[Blank Stair]

Well that's where you and I disagree...at just two weeks it's significantly less human than you or me.

When two humans copulate, one inseminates the other who has ovaries and an egg, what is created?

 

[Blank Stair]

God doesn't abort. People do.

Actually, only women would be the one's aborting. Spontaneous, by God's will, or by the woman's own choice.
Romans 8:28
Ecclesiastes 3:1-15