When bigots use ISIS atrocities to smear all Muslims

[JGG]

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[seashale76]

I'm confused. How often does a religion's God need to be invoked before we condemn the entire religion like you propose? Is there a number?
Is it possible that there are sects of Islam that have done the same thing? Explained away a large section of commands in the Koran by appealing to another part of the Koran?

If this has indeed happened, are we prepared to condemn them along with ISIS?

I've read the quran, I know history, I'm up on current events, and I'm not blind to sharia and how majority Muslim countries are run. I know there are different sects of Islam that believe different things, some being more influenced from non-Muslim groups than others (which accounts for the better differences). Keep playing this game, but Muslims that aren't following along with these things are doing so IN SPITE OF THEIR RELIGION. It's a credit to them as people, not their religion.

Unlike some around here, I can like specific people and detest their faith. I can/will/do condemn their entire religion. I don't respect other faiths, but I do respect some of the people that may practice them.

What about Westboro Baptists? Their acts are done in the name of your God. The KKK? Kingdom Ministries? Most of Uganda? The Hutu?

Nope. They're certainly not in communion with me.

 

[Rationalt]

Your argument is that we should treat Muslims as terrorists because Christianity is right and Islam is wrong?

Back to Derailing, it seems . Trying to put words in other people mouths.
Islam is a terrorist religion because it's founder is a terrorist and the theology is based on terrorizing unbelievers with worldly force.

Accepting that fact doesn't mean treat all muslims as terrorists.

 

[JGG]

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[seashale76]

Great! Let's support them then, not condemn them along with the crazies. Who cares if they're "not real Muslims" if they're reasonable people?
Okay but we should treat them all as though they are the same as ISIS, right?

Oh- if you could only show me where I said that I personally do what you're claiming/insinuating I do!

But they're Christians, and they are simply following what the Bible says. Why shouldn't I treat your faith, like I treat their faith?

Are they? They share no faith with me. We don't have the same faith profession and we're not in communion- and communion is everything.

 

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[KWCrazy]

Then that means Christian theology makes Christians terrorists.

100% false.
Nowhere did Jesus suggest killing the innocent to put fear into others.
In the old testament, the enemies of the Israelites were killed so that they wouldn't be a threat to future generations. That happens in war. If you don't want to be destroyed, don't make war against God's followers. Still, that changed with the New Covenant, in which Christ brought the offer of salvation to the gentiles and all the world. Christ taught love, peace and forgiveness, not violence, assault and murder.

 

[Rationalt]

Back to Derailing, it seems . Trying to put words in other people mouths.
Islam is a terrorist religion because it's founder is a terrorist and the theology is based on terrorizing unbelievers with worldly force.

treat all muslims as terrorists.

Which Muslims do we not treat like terrorists if all Muslims believe in a terrorist religion?

That would be another discussion, is it not ?.

 

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[Rationalt]

I think it pertinent to the topic at hand.

I agree with that. But that topic deserves a separate thread and more people participation.

 

[seashale76]

Which is what?

They believe Christ to be their saviour, I'm certain of that.

Christ is not your saviour?

I was attempting to give you the benefit of the doubt, but alas. I really should have known better. It's my own fault. We both know I can't answer adequately without someone hitting the report button on me for giving you real answers as that would be against the ecumenical and interfaith vibe this board is going for, but your nth baiting of me and thread derail is noted. There is truth and lots of deviation from it. Some deviates to the point it no longer remotely resembles the truth.

 

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[seashale76]

I'm sorry if I'm derailing the thread, but I don't think I am. I am proposing a direct comparison between these Christians who are condemning all of Islam, and myself who could rather simply condemn all of Christianity.

I'm trying to understand why you can do it to Muslims, but Christians should be immune to the same criticisms.

I should also add, that at the moment I am trying to find just some modicum of faith I Christianity and walk a path, and posting here over the past several days has certainly set me back.

It is easier to disregard the whole religion as a mess rather than deal with the hate, the bigotry, the idolization of faith, and especially the confusion of "I'm right, those guys are wrong" that happens on every conceivable subject.

In other words, it is easier to condemn the whole religion than pick it apart and find anything worthwhile in it.

What should one do?

I know it's easier. I've done it before myself (i.e. condemned all of Christianity and had nothing to do with it). I decided to search for truth. I looked into numerous religions and philosophies, read lots of holy books, and was an extremely angry deist for most of my twenties that found something to condemn in everything. It came down to a personal spiritual experience and the person of Christ- and that finally convinced me. Had I not had my experience, I'd likely be an atheist right now. I was on the verge of that before, but was quite determined in my search. Nobody can answer these questions for you. It must be experienced.

ETA- and I've thread derailed again myself. Done here.

 

[KWCrazy]

Your argument is that we should treat Muslims as terrorists because Christianity is right and Islam is wrong?

Not even close. My argument is that terrorists are following the teachings of Mohammed to the letter. Most Muslims do not. However, ALL Muslims are lost and following a false prophet to their own destruction. They may not believe as the terrorists believe, but they don't speak out for fear of being called an infidel and murdered. After all, Muslims kill more Muslims than any other religion.

What should we do to terrorists?

What would you do with a rabid wolf, loose in the nursery?
Has a terrorist any usefulness sin this world other than murder?

 

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[Rationalt]

But a wolf will always be a wolf. A terrorist can change. Ask members of the IRA.

IRA ideology doesn't involve rolling with eternal virgins in eternal heaven.It is relatively easier for IRA to change.

 

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