When bigots use ISIS atrocities to smear all Muslims

[JustOneWay]

That is not genocide.I said kaaba not entire middle east. Again it is speculation with unknown consequences.I also qualified it saying when it comes to that.

Up to 300,000 people can fit inside the mosque area.

Do you even understand the meaning of the word 'genocide'?

It does not look like you do.

 

[Rationalt]

Up to 300,000 people can fit inside the mosque area.

Do you even understand the meaning of the word 'genocide'?

It does not look like you do.

Trolling afresh ?.it will be genocide if you pack the mosque with people.Again I am not saying it should be done.It is a speculative answer based on a speculative question.

 

[JustOneWay]

Trolling afresh ?.it will be genocide if you pack the mosque with people.Again I am not saying it should be done.It is a speculative answer based on a speculative question.

You did not say it should be done, you said it could help. You know who else said that it could help to eliminate thousands and thousands of people? That's right, Hitler.


BTW, Mecca has 1.6 million people, and if you turn Kaaba into molten glass, most of those 1.6 million would also perish. Sad that you would even make such a terrible comment about other humans.

 

[KWCrazy]

But a wolf will always be a wolf. A terrorist can change. Ask members of the IRA.

I suspect that when the world takes a serious stance to eliminate them they will want to change more rapidly.

 

[KWCrazy]

I'm not taking theology lessons from you. Sorry. You're just wrong.

Prove it.
Show me where Jesus ever called for Jihad or the murder of infidels.
Show me where Mohammed called for spreading his message through peace, love and forgiveness.
You can't because what I said was the truth.

 

[interpreter]

I disagree with those who say the majority of Muslims in the US are peace-loving and harmless. Even those who appear at first to be peaceful and harmless can suddenly turn on us without warning, and very often do. So we should deport every last one of them. I am not a bigot for saying that, just stating the truth.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

The thing that makes this topic a bit difficult to debate is that both sides of the argument are operating on false assumptions and half truths, and trying to evaluate it in black & white terms.

One side is espousing ridiculous claims about how all Muslims are terrorist and want to undermine democracy and Western culture.

To rebuttal that, The other side is making the claim that "it's just a rare few bad apples causing the problems, everyone else are moderates"

Both sides are wrong...

The reality of the situation is this, most Muslims will not (and have no desire to) strap a bomb on and run into a crowded marketplace in the name of jihad, making that claim is inherently and statistically dishonest (in fact 91% in a British survey said the opposed violent measures in the name of religion). However, a noteworthy amount of Muslims do hold some societal views and world views that are troubling, an in that scenario, it's more than just "a few bad apples".

In a survey of British Muslims (these aren't ISIS members, these are Muslims living a free western society)
Asked about attitudes towards free speech, there was little support for freedom of speech if it would offend religious sensibilities. 78% of Muslims thought that the publishers of the Danish cartoons of the Prophet Muhammed should be prosecuted, 68% thought those who insulted Islam should be prosecuted and 62% of people disagree that freedom of speech should be allowed even if it insults and offends religious beliefs. 17% thought that programmes that might offend religious sensibilities should not be shown at all. 9% of respondents said it was acceptable for religious or political groups to use violence. 17% denied the holocaust (or stated that the events were exaggerated).

So just because over 9/10 don't want violence...the notion that they feel that I should be locked up for insulting their religion still exceeds what I would consider "moderate".

Sam Harris does a good job of explaining it in this interview with Bill Maher.

 

[KWCrazy]

One side is espousing ridiculous claims about how all Muslims are terrorist and want to undermine democracy and Western culture.

Whoever said all Muslims were terrorists?
Mohammed was a terrorist, but most Muslims aren't 100% faithful to the teachings of the false prophet.
Terrorists need to be eradicated, Muslims need to the words of Christ. Most won't listen, but then, most non Muslims don't either.

 

[JGG]

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[KWCrazy]

I didn't say what you were wrong about, but that you responded assuming your own infallibility tells me I have nothing to learn from you.

I stated two undeniable truths and you said I was wrong. Prove it.
I can quote the words of violence from Mohammed and the words of peace from Christ. Let's see you demonstrate the reverse.
The only one infallible is the Lord, and they only way to speak infallibly is to quote Him.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

Yes.
One soul at a time. Destroy them by winning them to the Lord.
Save them from the destruction that awaits all who follow false gods and false religions.

This has to be the most sensible thing I've read regarding Islam. Killing muslims isn't going to fix the problem of radical islam, but showing them Jesus Christ will. Don't forget to pray. I can guarantee the Holy Spirit is already working on them, we just have to speak just the right way to trigger it. We have the problem 700-900 years of animosity thanks to the crusades to overcome. A truly difficult task, but not entirely impossible.

 

[TerranceL]

So kind of like how there are some folks who whenever you mention Christianity or christians they bleat something about Westboro Baptist Church. Huh.

 

[Rationalt]

This has to be the most sensible thing I've read regarding Islam. Killing muslims isn't going to fix the problem of radical islam, but showing them Jesus Christ will. Don't forget to pray. I can guarantee the Holy Spirit is already working on them, we just have to speak just the right way to trigger it. We have the problem 700-900 years of animosity thanks to the crusades to overcome. A truly difficult task, but not entirely impossible.

Nobody is talking about killing muslims. As to introducing Jesus to muslims they have very overt teaching that Christianity is a false religion.The imams proclaim it almost everyday from mosques directly and also their prayer indirectly reminds it, kind of.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

Nobody is talking about killing muslims. As to introducing Jesus to muslims they have very overt teaching that Christianity is a false religion.The imams proclaim it almost everyday from mosques directly and also their prayer indirectly reminds it, kind of.

Nope, not here. Just everywhere else I see. Of course I won't see that here. this is a Christian Message board. What imams preach and what muslims pray for is inconsequential compard to what the Holy Spirit works into the hearts of men and women across the world. No amount of false religion can stand against that sort of thing. Calvinist call it irresistable grace. When God calls you, you have no choice but you answer eventually. Prayer helps that along.

 

[Rationalt]

So kind of like how there are some folks who whenever you mention Christianity or christians they bleat something about Westboro Baptist Church. Huh.

I cannot understand the dogged determination to oppose any discussion on Islam.Since christians are at forefront criticizing Islam it automatically triggers defensive response from those opposed to Christianity.And there are some small number of christians who want to somehow cosy up in the hopes of converting some muslims.

 

[KWCrazy]

We have the problem 700-900 years of animosity thanks to the crusades to overcome.

It's sad that the Crusades failed. There were reasons, of course; impossible supply chains, corruption, the greater tyranny imposed by those supposedly representing God. Still, had the false religion been stopped a billion souls might not be facing destruction today. Let's not forget, though, that it was the Muslim incursion into the Holy Lands that sparked the Crusades. The problem was that many of the Crusaders were little better than thugs themselves.

 

[Rationalt]

Nope, not here. Just everywhere else I see. Of course I won't see that here. this is a Christian Message board. What imams preach and what muslims pray for is inconsequential compard to what the Holy Spirit works into the hearts of men and women across the world. No amount of false religion can stand against that sort of thing. Calvinist call it irresistable grace. When God calls you, you have no choice but you answer eventually. Prayer helps that along.

Good luck with observing the holy spirit in action.
Just fyi, muslims are also successful in attracting disgruntled Christians to their fold.It all depends , it appears, on the conditions and quality of efforts put forth by evangelists (Muslim or christian).

Meanwhile those iraqis who were attracted to holy spirit are systematically killed and enslaved.Seems the lord (and the holy spirit) works in mysterious ways.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

It's sad that the Crusades failed. There were reasons, of course; impossible supply chains, corruption, the greater tyranny imposed by those supposedly representing God. Still, had the false religion been stopped a billion souls might not be facing destruction today. Let's not forget, though, that it was the Muslim incursion into the Holy Lands that sparked the Crusades. The problem was that many of the Crusaders were little better than thugs themselves.

I don't think Christians understand the inkling of hope Christ has penetrated the muslim world thanks to the sacrifice of missionaries in muslim lands for decades. You know there are muslims who recognize Jesus as the messiah and Lord and savior right? They are the Islamic equivalent of messianic jews. We have numerous levels of muslims who are one step closer to being Christians. Missionaries have been doing a revolutionary approach of attaching removing western culture from Christianity and contextualizing it for muslim[or maybe more like arabic?] culture. It is only a matter of time in all reality.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

Good luck with observing the holy spirit in action.
Just fyi, muslims are also successful in attracting disgruntled Christians to their fold.It all depends , it appears, on the conditions and quality of efforts put forth by evangelists (Muslim or christian).

Meanwhile those iraqis who were attracted to holy spirit are systematically killed and enslaved.Seems the lord (and the holy spirit) works in mysterious ways.

The same thing was said of the vikings, and how many churches are in those countries now? you are just impatient and are thinking of the here and now, and not the will be.

 

[KWCrazy]

Meanwhile those iraqis who were attracted to holy spirit are systematically killed and enslaved.Seems the lord (and the holy spirit) works in mysterious ways.

Don't blame God for the actions of your president.