The ten commandments Old covenant, and the law "done away" and "abolished" as paul said

[Steeno7]

These were Gentiles that had been Judaized.

Those letters of Paul's were written to churches. Churches comprised of both Gentiles and Jews.

 

[Meowzltov]

Acts is all the historical record of that ongoing transition.

All the transition happened at Pentecost.
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[Meowzltov]

All of Paul's letters were written to churches. Churches comprised of both Gentiles and Jews.

The Churches were almost entirely Gentile!!!! Sheesh.

 

[Steeno7]

All the transition happened at Pentecost.
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Pentecost was only the beginning.

 

[Steeno7]

The Churches were almost entirely Gentile!!!! Sheesh.

The churches were comprised of both Gentiles and Jews.

 

[Sophrosyne]

These were Gentiles that had been Judaized.

Says you, they could have easily been Jews as Paul almost always went to the Jews in the area and presented his Gospel of Grace.

 

[Meowzltov]

The churches were comprised of both Gentiles and Jews.

I stand by what I said.

 

[Steeno7]

I stand by what I said.

Oh, okay.......

 

[Meowzltov]

Says you, they could have easily been Jews as Paul almost always went to the Jews in the area and presented his Gospel of Grace.

Paul presented the gospel of grace to everyone. There is no contradiction between the gospel of grace and being obedient.

 

[Hank77]

You have to remember that Paul was writing to Gentiles in Corinth, not to Jews. The Gentiles there had been given mistaken teaching by Jewish Christians that they needed to observe the Torah, and Paul was trying to talk them out of it. He was bringing the message of the Council of Jerusalem to them, that Gentile believers need not be circumcised and observe the Law. However, that Council left in place that Jews should observe Torah, and none of Paul's letters are addressed to Jews.

Hebrews was written to the Hebrews.....
As far as Paul's words to the Jews there is much that he directly said to the Jews in Romans, especially in 9, 10, and 11.
Rom 2:17 Lo, thou art named a Jew, and dost rest upon the law, and dost boast in God,
Rom 2:18 and dost know the will, and dost approve the distinctions, being instructed out of the law,..........

 

[Meowzltov]

As far as Paul's words to the Jews there is much that he directly said to the Jews in Romans, especially in 9, 10, and 11.

Actually 9 10 and 11 are ABOUT Jews. Pretty good stuff too. Jews are part of the Elect for the sake of the Patriarch. All Israel shall be saved. Etc.

 

[Hank77]

Actually 9 10 and 11 are ABOUT Jews. Pretty good stuff too. Jews are part of the Elect for the sake of the Patriarch. All Israel shall be saved. Etc.

Rom 7:1 Are ye ignorant, brethren--for to those knowing law I speak--that the law hath lordship over the man as long as he liveth?
Rom 7:2 for the married woman to the living husband hath been bound by law, and if the husband may die, she hath been free from the law of the husband;

 

[Meowzltov]

Rom 7:1 Are ye ignorant, brethren--for to those knowing law I speak--that the law hath lordship over the man as long as he liveth?
Rom 7:2 for the married woman to the living husband hath been bound by law, and if the husband may die, she hath been free from the law of the husband;

Yeah. So?

 

[Frogster]

You have to remember that Paul was writing to Gentiles in Corinth, not to Jews. The Gentiles there had been given mistaken teaching by Jewish Christians that they needed to observe the Torah, and Paul was trying to talk them out of it. He was bringing the message of the Council of Jerusalem to them, that Gentile believers need not be circumcised and observe the Law. However, that Council left in place that Jews should observe Torah, and none of Paul's letters are addressed to Jews.

You have to remember that Paul was writing to both, there were Jews and Greeks in the Corinth Church, we have one faith, one baptism, one body as per Eph 4..

Look at this verse, from a chapter that was about Jew and Greeks ,the one new man, Jew and Greek, came after the abolishment of the law, this verse is for BOTH PARTIES.

Who, is in the "us" and the "both"?


15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, 16 and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility.

ROMANS ADDRESSED JEWS...in fact, there were Jews in all of his churches, stop segregating, the church.

 

[Frogster]

You have to remember that Paul was writing to Gentiles in Corinth, not to Jews. The Gentiles there had been given mistaken teaching by Jewish Christians that they needed to observe the Torah, and Paul was trying to talk them out of it. He was bringing the message of the Council of Jerusalem to them, that Gentile believers need not be circumcised and observe the Law. However, that Council left in place that Jews should observe Torah, and none of Paul's letters are addressed to Jews.

The Jewish Christians in Antioch were living as gentiles. And besides, why did Peter at the Acts 15 meeting, say 'WE", could not bear the law yoke? Why did peter put himself in the WE????


15:10 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?

Jews and Greeks saved by faith and grace..So why would Jews still have to live under law?


15:9 and he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith. 10 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? 11 But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will.”

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I'm sure this will end up in the Sabbath and the Law subforum soon.
There are those who want to put gentiles under the Law against what the Bible says ignoring the Old Testament which equates that Gentiles have to become Jews to partake of the Law and ignoring Paul and the council of Jerusalem in their writings and edicts which refutes the Law as binding on Christians.

Thou art indeed a prophetess!

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[Frogster]

Oh my gosh! It was an authoritative council, led by the apostles who were taught by Jesus himself. You can't get better than that.

please, there are several passages that show the OT people had things hidden/secret from them Paul said so. I got text to prove it. Jesus told the disciples they could not understand yet, etc. So we did get more over the years after the council meetings. Gosh the prison epistles are loaded with revelation, they were written AFTER Acts 15. it is called expanding revelation...we know more than the OT people, and more than Acts 15, please follow long with the historical narrative, thanks!

Heb 1:1 WHEN IN FORMER TIMES God spoke to our forefathers, he spoke in fragmentary and varied fashion through the prophets.

 

[Frogster]

It was not transitional.

It was, the temple was going down soon, gosh, even in 1 Cor, Paul said eat the meat in the Corinth meat market, it was idol meat, had blood, strangled, and pork, but Paul said eat it....eat the good Italian sausages!

 

[Frogster]

These were Gentiles that had been Judaized.

prove this...

 

[Frogster]

These were Gentiles that had been Judaized.

If you knew acts, you would see that Jews got saved. Then you would understand, that they were in the same churches as the gentiles. Then you would understand that the letters were for both.There is no more jew or greek, read col 3:11, gal 2:28, stop making a division in the church.