Ten Commandments still valid so says Bible and pro-Sunday Scholars

[BobRyan]

You have a lot of quoting to do to prove the vast majority of Christians support your divisions of the law.

How instructive that time after time the information posted on the first two pages of this thread is asked for -- on other threads not just this one.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[bugkiller]

How instructive that time after time the information posted on the first two pages of this thread is asked for -- on other threads not just this one.

in Christ,

Bob

I don't find your quotes representative of the majority of Christians either.

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

So then this quote for example does not represent your views?

- D.L. Moody notices that some are opposed to the Sabbath Commandment - but notice how this sermon on the TEN Commandments also fits the summary of 7 points listed here on page 1??

BY THE
[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]DWIGHT L. MOODY[/FONT][/FONT]​

The Ten Commandments:
Exodus 20:2-17 ​

.
The Fourth Commandment

​

Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.​

[FONT=&quot]THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was[/FONT][FONT=&quot]- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes; [/FONT]

 

[BobRyan]

in that case you may say this quote also does not represent your views - right?

also from page one of this thread

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Here we have section 19 of the Westminster - and of course you already have a few posts of mine quoting the "Baptist Confession of Faith"

[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]Westminster Confession of Faith Section 19[/FONT][/FONT] "Westminster Confession of Faith"

[FONT=&quot]Chapter XIX[/FONT]​

[FONT=&quot]Of the Law of God[/FONT]​

[FONT=&quot]I. God gave to Adam a law, as a covenant of works, by which He bound him and all his posterity, to personal, entire, exact, and perpetual obedience, promised life upon the fulfilling, and threatened death upon the breach of it, and endued him with power and ability to keep it.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][1][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
II. This law, after his fall, continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness; and, as such, was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai, in ten commandments, and written in two tables:[/FONT][FONT=&quot][2][/FONT][FONT=&quot] the first four commandments containing our duty towards God; and the other six, our duty to man.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][3][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
III. Besides this law, commonly called moral, God was pleased to give to the people of Israel, as a church under age, ceremonial laws, containing several typical ordinances, partly of worship, prefiguring Christ, His graces, actions, sufferings, and benefits;[/FONT][FONT=&quot][4][/FONT][FONT=&quot] and partly, holding forth divers instructions of moral duties.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][5][/FONT][FONT=&quot] All which ceremonial laws are now abrogated, under the New Testament.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][6][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
IV. To them also, as a body politic, He gave sundry judicial laws, which expired together with the State of that people; not obliging under any now, further than the general equity thereof may require.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][7][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
V. The moral law does forever bind all, as well justified persons as others, to the obedience thereof;[/FONT][FONT=&quot][8][/FONT][FONT=&quot] and that, not only in regard of the matter contained in it, but also in respect of the authority of God the Creator, who gave it.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][9][/FONT][FONT=&quot] Neither does Christ, in the Gospel, any way dissolve, but much strengthen this obligation.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][10][/FONT]

 

[bugkiller]

in that case you may say this quote also does represent your views - right?

also from page one of this thread

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Here we have section 19 of the Westminster - and of course you already have a few posts of mine quoting the "Baptist Confession of Faith"

[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]Westminster Confession of Faith Section 19[/FONT][/FONT] "Westminster Confession of Faith"

[FONT=&quot]Chapter XIX[/FONT]​

[FONT=&quot]Of the Law of God[/FONT]​

[FONT=&quot]I. God gave to Adam a law, as a covenant of works, by which He bound him and all his posterity, to personal, entire, exact, and perpetual obedience, promised life upon the fulfilling, and threatened death upon the breach of it, and endued him with power and ability to keep it.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][1][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
II. This law, after his fall, continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness; and, as such, was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai, in ten commandments, and written in two tables:[/FONT][FONT=&quot][2][/FONT][FONT=&quot] the first four commandments containing our duty towards God; and the other six, our duty to man.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][3][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
III. Besides this law, commonly called moral, God was pleased to give to the people of Israel, as a church under age, ceremonial laws, containing several typical ordinances, partly of worship, prefiguring Christ, His graces, actions, sufferings, and benefits;[/FONT][FONT=&quot][4][/FONT][FONT=&quot] and partly, holding forth divers instructions of moral duties.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][5][/FONT][FONT=&quot] All which ceremonial laws are now abrogated, under the New Testament.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][6][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
IV. To them also, as a body politic, He gave sundry judicial laws, which expired together with the State of that people; not obliging under any now, further than the general equity thereof may require.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][7][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
V. The moral law does forever bind all, as well justified persons as others, to the obedience thereof;[/FONT][FONT=&quot][8][/FONT][FONT=&quot] and that, not only in regard of the matter contained in it, but also in respect of the authority of God the Creator, who gave it.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][9][/FONT][FONT=&quot] Neither does Christ, in the Gospel, any way dissolve, but much strengthen this obligation.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][10][/FONT]

Who are you talking to?

In the case of both posts (this one and its predecessor ) you know very well what the answer is to you c & p jobs, if its me you're addressing. Knowing listed, he'd probably say the same. Thus both posts are useless spam.

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

Who said those quotes do not represent the majority of Christians?

I don't find your quotes representative of the majority of Christians either.

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

So then this quote for example does not represent your views?

- D.L. Moody notices that some are opposed to the Sabbath Commandment - but notice how this sermon on the TEN Commandments also fits the summary of 7 points listed here on page 1??

BY THE
[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]DWIGHT L. MOODY[/FONT][/FONT]​

The Ten Commandments:
Exodus 20:2-17 ​

.
The Fourth Commandment

​

Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.​

[FONT=&quot]THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was[/FONT][FONT=&quot]- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes; [/FONT]

Originally Posted by BobRyan

in that case you may say this quote also does (not) represent your views - right?

also from page one of this thread

===================================================

Here we have section 19 of the Westminster - and of course you already have a few posts of mine quoting the "Baptist Confession of Faith"

[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]Westminster Confession of Faith Section 19​

http://www.reformed.org/documents/w...l?body=/documents/wcf_with_proofs/ch_XIX.html[/FONT] "Westminster Confession of Faith"

[FONT=&quot]Chapter XIX[/FONT]​

[FONT=&quot]Of the Law of God[/FONT]​

[FONT=&quot]I. God gave to Adam a law, as a covenant of works, by which He bound him and all his posterity, to personal, entire, exact, and perpetual obedience, promised life upon the fulfilling, and threatened death upon the breach of it, and endued him with power and ability to keep it.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][1][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
II. This law, after his fall, continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness; and, as such, was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai, in ten commandments, and written in two tables:[/FONT][FONT=&quot][2][/FONT][FONT=&quot] the first four commandments containing our duty towards God; and the other six, our duty to man.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][3][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
III. Besides this law, commonly called moral, God was pleased to give to the people of Israel, as a church under age, ceremonial laws, containing several typical ordinances, partly of worship, prefiguring Christ, His graces, actions, sufferings, and benefits;[/FONT][FONT=&quot][4][/FONT][FONT=&quot] and partly, holding forth divers instructions of moral duties.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][5][/FONT][FONT=&quot] All which ceremonial laws are now abrogated, under the New Testament.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][6][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
IV. To them also, as a body politic, He gave sundry judicial laws, which expired together with the State of that people; not obliging under any now, further than the general equity thereof may require.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][7][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
V. The moral law does forever bind all, as well justified persons as others, to the obedience thereof;[/FONT][FONT=&quot][8][/FONT][FONT=&quot] and that, not only in regard of the matter contained in it, but also in respect of the authority of God the Creator, who gave it.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][9][/FONT][FONT=&quot] Neither does Christ, in the Gospel, any way dissolve, but much strengthen this obligation.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][10][/FONT]
​

[/FONT]

Who are you talking to?

In the case of both posts (this one and its predecessor ) you know very well what the answer is to you c & p jobs, if its me you're addressing. Knowing listed, he'd probably say the same. Thus both posts are useless spam.

bugkiller

As some point - address the points raised in the post you are quoting.

The "So also" is meant to show that both of them might be claimed as NOT representing your views - and yet they DO represent what we find in the CCC, in the BCoF, in the WCOF and those in the signature line below regarding their AFFIRMATION of the continued authority of the TEN Commandments.

The point remains.

 

[listed]

Who said those quotes do not represent the majority of Christians?

It is to wet outside to do anything.

You do keep saying the majority of Christian scholars and cite a few, what maybe 3 or 4 but repeat mostly 2 or 3. This is a long ways from the majority of Christianity. It has also been noted these people you quote do not practice what you say the promote for everyone. Therefore they are not teaching what you say they are. Actions speak much louder than words.

 

[BobRyan]

It is to wet outside to do anything.

You do keep saying the majority of Christian scholars and cite a few, what maybe 3 or 4 but repeat mostly 2 or 3. This is a long ways from the majority of Christianity.

Well if you read page 1 of this thread you find the "Westminster Confession of Faith" and that represents quite a few Christians and combined with the Baptist Confession of Faith - quite a few Evangelicals.

The Westminster Confession of Faith is a Reformed confession of faith. Drawn up by the 1646 Westminster Assembly as part of the Westminster Standards to be a confession of the Church of England, it became and remains the "subordinate standard" of doctrine in the Church of Scotland, and has been influential within Presbyterian churches worldwide.
In 1643, the English Parliament called upon "learned, godly and judicious Divines", to meet at Westminster Abbey in order to provide advice on issues of worship, doctrine, government and discipline of the Church of England. Their meetings, over a period of five years, produced the confession of faith, as well as a Larger Catechism and a Shorter Catechism. For more than three centuries, various churches around the world have adopted the confession and the catechisms as their standards of doctrine, subordinate to the Bible.
The Westminster Confession of Faith was modified and adopted by Congregationalists in England in the form of the Savoy Declaration (1658). Likewise, the Baptists of England modified the Savoy Declaration to produce the Second London Baptist Confession (1689). English Presbyterians, Congregationalists, and Baptists would together (with others) come to be known as Nonconformists, because they did not conform to the Act of Uniformity (1662) establishing the Church of England as the only legally approved church, though they were in many ways united by their common confessions, built on the Westminster Confession.

Westminster Confession of Faith - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And we also have Matthew Henry, R.C. Sproul, Andy Stanley even affirms the Ten Commandments as still valid even though he only leads the largest congregation in America today.

I present just a few others in my signature line but a great many do affirm this point.

Even the RCC affirms that the Ten Commandments are included the Moral Law of God still binding on mankind to this very day.

So a number of other Catholic groups.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

It has also been noted these people you quote do not practice what you say the promote for everyone. .

Sadly it has not been proven/shown/demonstrated that they do not claim that the TEN Commandments are included in the moral law of God - which is what I actually claim -- they say.

I never claim that in practice they choose to keep the Sabbath Commandment as it is in scripture. Rather I argue on page 1 of this thread that they imagine man-made-tradition to bend the Commandment of God and point it to week-day-1.

The point remains.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[bugkiller]

Who said those quotes do not represent the majority of Christians?

By implication thru your quotes from what you call pro Christian scholars as representing the majority of Christians. Not a single one of them is where I draw my position from nor do any of them hold sway over me.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

So then this quote for example does not represent your views?

As some point - address the points raised in the post you are quoting.

The "So also" is meant to show that both of them might be claimed as NOT representing your views - and yet they DO represent what we find in the CCC, in the BCoF, in the WCOF and those in the signature line below regarding their AFFIRMATION of the continued authority of the TEN Commandments.

The point remains.

Just exactly are you trying to pull off?

I. What ever God told Adam wasn't the same thing God told the COI.

II. The commandments written on stone tablets were given to no prior to the COI per Deut 5:1-3.

III. This point conflicts with what you post. Normally you say the 4th is moral and not ceremonial. Here you say its both. It could be said to be moral to those required to keep it. No one outside of Israel is required to do so.

IV. No jot or tittle of the law can pass according to you, but here you transgress that position. Why is this?

V. No you claim the ceremonial law was done away with. Any and all celebration are purely ceremonial.

Do not post these points again saying they haven't been addressed and reasonably refuted. To do so will get you reported for flaming. Do you understand?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Well if you read page 1 of this thread you find the "Westminster Confession of Faith" and that represents quite a few Christians and combined with the Baptist Confession of Faith - quite a few Evangelicals.

And we also have Matthew Henry, R.C. Sproul, Andy Stanley even affirms the Ten Commandments as still valid even though he only leads the largest congregation in America today.

I present just a few others in my signature line but a great many do affirm this point.

Even the RCC affirms that the Ten Commandments are included the Moral Law of God still binding on mankind to this very day.

So a number of other Catholic groups.

in Christ,

Bob

Nothing above represents the vast majority of Christians. Simply belonging to a group doesn't make one a Christian. And none of them practice what you promote. Again actions speak much louder than words.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Sadly it has not been proven/shown/demonstrated that they do not claim that the TEN Commandments are included in the moral law of God - which is what I actually claim -- they say.

I never claim that in practice they choose to keep the Sabbath Commandment as it is in scripture. Rather I argue on page 1 of this thread that they imagine man-made-tradition to bend the Commandment of God and point it to week-day-1.

The point remains.

in Christ,

Bob

In reality you're making a double self contradicting claim. They don't support what you claim even by your own admission.

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

In reality you're making a double self contradicting claim. They don't support what you claim even by your own admission.

bugkiller

Your post seems to be self-conflicted.

My claim is made starting on page one about what they say - and it has yet to be refuted.

Challenge:

READ this post carefully on page 1 of this thread.

Ok that is all well and good - but the thread title says that these obvious pro-Ten Commandment facts in the Bible are also affirmed by pro-Sunday scholarship.

How can that possibly be?

First a summary of the pro-Sunday scholarship statements affirming the TEN Commandments.

Here is an example of claims made by the pro-Sunday sources - and 6 of the 7 are actually correct according to the Bible!.


Yes that is right - 6 of the 7 are actually common ground between Sabbath keeping and Sunday keeping Christians.


1. That the Sabbath Commandment is first given to mankind in Gen 2:1-3
2. That all mankind was obligated by the TEN commandments in the OT and to this very day.
3. That the seventh day as the Sabbath was Saturday the seventh day of the week from Gen 2:1-3 until NT times - including at the cross.
4. That the Ten Commandments are the moral Law of God
5. That the moral law of God is written on the heart under the New Covenant
6. that the Ten Commandments as the moral law of God are in no way opposed to grace and the Gospel.
7. That the Sabbath commandment can rightly be BENT by man-made-tradition to point to week-day-1 after the cross.

I agree with 6 out of 7 as listed above - and yet many who post against God's TEN commandments object to all of the points listed above. And sometimes they will even go on to complain that so many of the points above are in agreement with my position and opposed to the war-against-the-Ten-Commandments position.

It is crystal clear

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Just exactly are you trying to pull off?

I. What ever God told Adam wasn't the same thing God told the COI.

Once again you share your opinion. Thanks.

II. The commandments written on stone tablets were given to no prior to the COI per Deut 5:1-3.

Once again you share your opinion.

The Bible seems to have it different than that -- as even Christ said of the Sabbath in Mark 2:27 and as God said of it in Ex 20:7 and as even the majority of pro-sunday scholarship will freely admit on the TEN Commandments being the moral law of God - binding on all mankind.

III. This point conflicts with what you post. Normally you say the 4th is moral and not ceremonial.

As I do to this day.

Here you say its both.

My argument for the ceremonial law done away with at the cross is that it is NOT wiping out worship to God - Sabbath is a case of worship to God done as He commanded.

To argue that all worship to God ceased when animals were no longer slain - is to get a wrong definition of the ceremonial law ended at the cross.

You did not point to a single statement that I made in contradiction to this - or to support your claims. Did you forget to add that to your post?

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

I think you might agree that Chuck Swindol does agree with D.L Moody on that point - far more than those who argue that the Sabbath commandment is the one commandment we should ignore.

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[FONT=&quot]Chuck Swindol[/FONT]l

Quote:
[FONT=&quot]It's interesting what our Creator did on the seventh day of creation. Do you remember? Just in case you forgot, read Genesis 2:2 for yourself: "[/FONT][FONT=&quot]By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done[/FONT][FONT=&quot], and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done."[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]Now, why? Why did Almighty God need to rest? He didn't need to, He chose to. But why? Being God, He certainly wasn't tired (an absolute impossibility). He rested because He considered His work complete. He also rested to leave us an example to follow . . [/FONT][FONT=&quot]. to pattern our lives after[/FONT][FONT=&quot]. Many, many [/FONT][FONT=&quot]years later,[/FONT][FONT=&quot] He very deliberately included the importance of resting [/FONT][FONT=&quot]in His top ten priorities.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] These have come to be called the Ten Commandments. Obviously, they represent the ten things God cares about the most when it comes to wholesome human behavior. Number four on that list is found in Exodus 20:8-11, which reads:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath of the L[/FONT][FONT=&quot]ORD[/FONT][FONT=&quot] your God; in it you shall not do any work. . . . For in six days the L[/FONT][FONT=&quot]ORD[/FONT][FONT=&quot] made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the L[/FONT][FONT=&quot]ORD[/FONT][FONT=&quot] blessed the sabbath day and made it holy."[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]"Sabbath" is actually a Hebrew term, meaning "seventh." The seventh day of the week is Saturday. It was tradition that transferred Saturday to Sunday, but in God's original plan, He never had Sunday in mind, only the seventh---or last---day of the week. On that final day, REST![/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]My concern at this point is not which day you choose to rest and relax---only that you take time to do so. As Jesus taught, "[/FONT][FONT=&quot]the Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath[/FONT][FONT=&quot]" (Mark 2:27)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]http://daily.insight.org/site/News2?...ticle&id=13409[/FONT]


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Of all the points where we COULD differ on this thread/subject the one key point where we DO differ most directly is the ONE point where both the majority of pro-Sunday scholars AND also the Bible Sabbath Christians DO Agree - which is that the TEN Commandments are still binding on all the saints and that this includes the Sabbath Commandment.

 

[listed]

Your post seems to be self-conflicted.

How is his post self conflicted? You say they support your doctrine while say they bend, actually practice something else.

My claim is made starting on page one about what they say - and it has yet to be refuted.

It has been posted how they do not believe and practice what you claim. This is adequate refutation.

Challenge:

READ this post carefully on page 1 of this thread.



It is crystal clear

in Christ,

Bob

Your challenge has been met head on while you refuse to consider the total picture.

 

[listed]

Once again you share your opinion. Thanks.

Once again you share your opinion.

The Bible seems to have it different than that -- as even Christ said of the Sabbath in Mark 2:27 and as God said of it in Ex 20:7 and as even the majority of pro-sunday scholarship will freely admit on the TEN Commandments being the moral law of God - binding on all mankind.



As I do to this day.



My argument for the ceremonial law done away with at the cross is that it is NOT wiping out worship to God - Sabbath is a case of worship to God done as He commanded.

To argue that all worship to God ceased when animals were no longer slain - is to get a wrong definition of the ceremonial law ended at the cross.

You did not point to a single statement that I made in contradiction to this - or to support your claims. Did you forget to add that to your post?

in Christ,

Bob

Saying thanks for sharing your opinion does not address the false issues you promote.

The covenant given at Mt Sinai was completely retired and over at the cross, really before if you read the Gospels.

 

[listed]

Once again you share your opinion. Thanks.

Once again you share your opinion.

The Bible seems to have it different than that -- as even Christ said of the Sabbath in Mark 2:27 and as God said of it in Ex 20:7 and as even the majority of pro-sunday scholarship will freely admit on the TEN Commandments being the moral law of God - binding on all mankind.



As I do to this day.



My argument for the ceremonial law done away with at the cross is that it is NOT wiping out worship to God - Sabbath is a case of worship to God done as He commanded.

To argue that all worship to God ceased when animals were no longer slain - is to get a wrong definition of the ceremonial law ended at the cross.

You did not point to a single statement that I made in contradiction to this - or to support your claims. Did you forget to add that to your post?

in Christ,

Bob

Where did bugkiller say worship was done away with? I read the required ceremonies of the law are done away with, just like the rest of the law.