Why Parallax doesn't work

[time]

Those are all claims. We need to see evidence for your claims.

Please show us evidence of God altering time and space. No more claims. We need to see evidence.

The time differences are not where you can see them, so they are out of reach of evidences of science. Perhaps the gases and redshift have deeper meanings than we thought, and we misread evidences. What effect would a lack of time or different time have on physical things or space or our spacetime? You are not coming at this from a standpoint of knowledge.

 

[AlephBet]

Parallax measurements depend on time.

In fact, the stars were created to help us mark time, and so it is reasonable to speculate that the galaxies may be like giant sprockets in God's great time machine of the universe, that sets the time for earth! Therefore, of course it would determine the time/space here, and consequently the laws, that are dependent on time.
Hows that for some real science?

Very interesting. I happened by this today, but answered this in another thread last night. Consider your gear idea in this: Quantum Current Flow is involution (Baptism) and Evolution (rising to new life). My reply in another thread below:

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Actually, since the Sun also moves, the plants do not revolve around the sun at all. Rather, it is a toroidal movement from axis to field in relation to the sun's central axis. It's a corkscrew and not a revolution around a center. This is only possible because all bodies with mass that spin are held in place from the quantum field created by the toroidal vortex between the Sun and it's connected bodies.

Science has yet to figure out the dimensional nature of light from the Dirac Equation. When they do, they will know how a solar system is moved by the central toroid of the galaxy. Volution comes from involution. When you look at a pebble hitting flat pond, you see the wave. What you miss is that each wave above and below the water is part of the larger toroid above and below the water in all directions. Look at this now in relation to the galaxy center, the center of the sun and the Earth's central sun. All things are in relation to all other things. All life is Volution in the same manner. In Latin, E means out of. Evolution means out of the volution around a center, but volution is never a circle. There is no evolution apart from involution. The orbits are held in place by orthogonal dimensions above space/time. Science misses this by only seeing the waves as on a pond. They forget to look at right angles to the linear matrix comprising space and time (above and below). There are more directions than cardinal directions.

 

[Loudmouth]

The time differences are not where you can see them, so they are out of reach of evidences of science.

That is false. We could see the movement of light away from Supernovae 1987a, and see it strike a ring of debris around the supernova.

SN1987A and the Age of the Universe

There was a 7 month lag between the supernova explosion and the illumnination of the rings around the supernova. This means that we measured the speed of light at the supernova by measuring the distance and time it took for light to move between the superonova and the rings of debris around it. All you need is simple trigonometry:

Perhaps the gases and redshift have deeper meanings than we thought, and we misread evidences. What effect would a lack of time or different time have on physical things or space or our spacetime? You are not coming at this from a standpoint of knowledge.

You need evidence, not made up fantasies that start with "perhaps".

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

How do you propose angels get here, and fight demons on the way then, if this doesn't include the heavens where the stars are and birds fly? Do they sneak in through rock cracks? It seems to me that Jesus went up to heaven, via the clouds and will return the same way. Up is up is up.....

If God decided to put heaven in another dimension, then supernatural beings can move between the dimensions.

Let's not pretend we can limit God. Let's admit its up to God how He places heaven.

 

[TLK Valentine]

How do you propose angels get here, and fight demons on the way then, if this doesn't include the heavens where the stars are and birds fly? Do they sneak in through rock cracks? It seems to me that Jesus went up to heaven, via the clouds and will return the same way. Up is up is up.

You realize that even if Jesus ascended at the speed of light, he still hasn't gotten out of our galaxy.

Since he was clearly going "up" far slower -- slow enough to be easily seen by the alleged witnesses -- it's possible that he hasn't even gotten out of the solar system yet.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

You realize that even if Jesus ascended at the speed of light, he still hasn't gotten out of our galaxy.

Since he was clearly going "up" far slower -- slow enough to be easily seen by the alleged witnesses -- it's possible that he hasn't even gotten out of the solar system yet.

Well, we should consider the possibility that His speed was gradually accelerating, in which case He could be well outside of the solar system.

Maybe we should consider the possibility that heaven is made up of what we call "dark matter". There's certainly a lot more of that than the regular matter we know and love (at least in terms of gravitating mass)

 

[Justatruthseeker]

You realize that even if Jesus ascended at the speed of light, he still hasn't gotten out of our galaxy.

Since he was clearly going "up" far slower -- slow enough to be easily seen by the alleged witnesses -- it's possible that he hasn't even gotten out of the solar system yet.

He only ascended slowly up to the clouds - at which time he disappeared - and you no longer can say anything about his velocity in either case. Perhaps he disappeared because he exceeded c, or the clouds just hid him. We can't say it is either one with any certainty in this thought experiment. Or whether he has left the solar system or not, without making unknown assumptions of something no longer observed.

A rocket ascends slowly, but says nothing of it's speed after ascension, especially if you can no longer observe it.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Well, we should consider the possibility that His speed was gradually accelerating, in which case He could be well outside of the solar system.

Maybe we should consider the possibility that heaven is made up of what we call "dark matter". There's certainly a lot more of that than the regular matter we know and love (at least in terms of gravitating mass)

Except we don't need dark matter. Quit ignoring what you already know is there - plasma. Stop treating 99% of the universe like you do that other 1%.

NASA's Chandra Shows Milky Way is Surrounded by Halo of Hot Gas | NASA

I mean come on, you aren't even willing to call it by the correct terminology. "Gas" hotter than the surface of the sun - and we know what that's made of, and it isn't "gas". And because you treat 99% like the other 1%, you require 95% Fairie Dust.

Sun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The Sun is a nearly perfect spherical ball of hot plasma,"

Plasma (physics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The presence of a non-negligible number of charge carriers makes plasma electrically conductive so that it responds strongly to electromagnetic fields....

...Unlike gas, under the influence of a magnetic field, it may form structures such as filaments, beams and double layers....

...When the charges move, they generate electrical currents with magnetic fields, and as a result, they are affected by each other’s fields."

And hence because you ignore the behavior of plasma, all your models end up being incorrect when in-situ measurements can be taken.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Except we don't need dark matter. Quit ignoring what you already know is there - plasma. Stop treating 99% of the universe like you do that other 1%.

NASA's Chandra Shows Milky Way is Surrounded by Halo of Hot Gas | NASA

I mean come on, you aren't even willing to call it by the correct terminology. "Gas" hotter than the surface of the sun - and we know what that's made of, and it isn't "gas". And because you treat 99% like the other 1%, you require 95% Fairie Dust.

Sun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The Sun is a nearly perfect spherical ball of hot plasma,"

Plasma (physics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The presence of a non-negligible number of charge carriers makes plasma electrically conductive so that it responds strongly to electromagnetic fields....

...Unlike gas, under the influence of a magnetic field, it may form structures such as filaments, beams and double layers....

...When the charges move, they generate electrical currents with magnetic fields, and as a result, they are affected by each other’s fields."

And hence because you ignore the behavior of plasma, all your models end up being incorrect when in-situ measurements can be taken.

Uh . . . how does proper consideration of plasma physics help us understand the ascension of Jesus into heaven?

 

[florida2]

Uh . . . how does proper consideration of plasma physics help us understand the ascension of Jesus into heaven?

Plasma physics doesn't need to be relevant to any thread for justa to post about it.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Plasma physics doesn't need to be relevant to any thread for justa to post about it.

Considering 99% of the universe is plasma, when isn't it appropriate???? You mean you prefer to ignore it 95% of the time, don't you? That's why you need that 95% Fairie Dust.

 

[Loudmouth]

Considering 99% of the universe is plasma, when isn't it appropriate???? You mean you prefer to ignore it 95% of the time, don't you? That's why you need that 95% Fairie Dust.

How do you know that 99% of the matter in the universe is plasma?

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Considering 99% of the universe is plasma, when isn't it appropriate???? You mean you prefer to ignore it 95% of the time, don't you? That's why you need that 95% Fairie Dust.

It isn't appropriate to discuss plasma physics when we are considering the manner in which Jesus ascended to heaven, since we are in the realm of the spiritual and the miraculous instead of the realms of physical law.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

The time differences are not where you can see them, so they are out of reach of evidences of science. Perhaps the gases and redshift have deeper meanings than we thought, and we misread evidences. What effect would a lack of time or different time have on physical things or space or our spacetime? You are not coming at this from a standpoint of knowledge.

You're merely guessing about that. Similar images imply similar entities, unless other evidence comes along. You don't have the other evidence, so it isn't unreasonable to accept the idea of similar entities.

Say the international space station were instantly transported to the Andromeda galaxy. I say the odds are the people inside would be in a portion of the universe where they would continue to live because the laws of physics would be so close to the same as here they couldn't tell the difference, if any.

You seem to think that would not be the case, indeed, you seem to think it is highly unlikely.

Why?

 

[time]

That is false. We could see the movement of light away from Supernovae 1987a, and see it strike a ring of debris around the supernova.



There was a 7 month lag between the supernova explosion and the illumnination of the rings around the supernova.

There seems to be a flaw in your logic. If time were not the same and maybe space also, we could not possibly have the months be equal in both places. That assumes time is the same. You only see time here and how it unfolds and exists. Here it took so many months as we see it. That doesn't mean it took that time there.

This means that we measured the speed of light at the supernova by measuring the distance and time it took for light to move between the superonova and the rings of debris around it. All you need is simple trigonometry:

No it means you assumed that time existed there as here. Space also.

Question: how much space would the earth occupy if time and space were very different? How much space does a spirit occupy? One man was possessed by at least 2000 spirits in the bible. That doesn't mean he was 2000 times bigger than you.

Do not pretend you have evidence.

 

[time]

If God decided to put heaven in another dimension, then supernatural beings can move between the dimensions.

That would not mean there were not different dimensions.

Let's not pretend we can limit God. Let's admit its up to God how He places heaven.

Let's not limit Him, and ignore how stars will fall to earth and cease to shine.

 

[time]

You realize that even if Jesus ascended at the speed of light, he still hasn't gotten out of our galaxy.

That is limited thinking. The waters for the flood came from the other side of the firmament (space) They came through windows of heaven. Portals up in space, or the sky. What comes down that way could also go to the far side of the universe that way in jig time.

Since he was clearly going "up" far slower -- slow enough to be easily seen by the alleged witnesses -- it's possible that he hasn't even gotten out of the solar system yet.

Absurd to think that the speed at which He ascended out of their sight was indicative of how He traveled to heaven in terms of normal earth time and space. You guys kidding??

 

[time]

The light is being produced by the stars. Since we can see the stars, they are in our time bubble.

QED.

You cannot say that unless you had something to compare it to besides that which we experience inside our time bubble.

 

[time]

"The Sun is a nearly perfect spherical ball of hot plasma,"

Oh? You seem to think you know what is inside the sun.

 

[Loudmouth]

You cannot say that unless you had something to compare it to besides that which we experience inside our time bubble.

I already gave you that comparison. Supernova 1987a lit up a ring of material around the supernova, demonstrating that the light is coming from the supernova and the star before it.