Why Parallax doesn't work

[Justatruthseeker]

No. The light from them obviously has to be though.

Yes, they forget that the light they observe is observed in this frame - measured with this frame's rulers and clocks. Then claim everything is expanding at an accelerating rate changing the lengths of rulers, slowing clocks, but tell us distances remain the same no matter what frame is chosen. Oh Vey!

Ignore their very own science.

Metre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Since 1983, it has been defined as "the length of the path travelled by light in vacuum during a time interval of 1/299,792,458 of a second.""

Time dilation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"An accurate clock at rest with respect to one observer may be measured to tick at a different rate when compared to a second observer's own equally accurate clocks."

Yet then insist that two clocks that tick at different rates end up giving us the same length in both frames, when the meter quite obviously must vary with the rate of change of the clock as energy is added.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

As far as we know, yes, but more exoplanets are discovered all the time. Telescope technology is improving to the point that we will soon be able to detect the composition of the atmospheres of these distant planets.

To think we are alone in the universe is arrogant and highly unlikely.

There's nothing special about life on Earth. We're simply made up of the most abundant elements - all the common stuff floating around which is exactly what you'd expect life to evolve as. If we were made of rare elements, you might have a point.

Except none of those solar systems are similar to ours. So dissimilar in fact they think ours is weird.

How Weird Is Our Solar System? | The Planetary Society

"This statistical analysis lends support to models of planetary formation in which planet-planet interactions within a system contribute to the circularizing of planets’ orbits."

We now believe large planets form close to the sun, yet you deny the possibility in ours. Even if we have myths of the gods being born (planets) ruling in the sky for a time - making war (interacting) - then fading into obscurity (receding in distance). Refuse to consider anything but as it is presently observed. Refuse to accept your own conclusions as to how all other systems have been observed to form. Refuse to consider that planetary interaction necessary for what you now believe to cause stable orbits.

Which leads us back to the true origin of asteroids and comets.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

As far as we know, yes, but more exoplanets are discovered all the time. Telescope technology is improving to the point that we will soon be able to detect the composition of the atmospheres of these distant planets.

To think we are alone in the universe is arrogant and highly unlikely.

There's nothing special about life on Earth. We're simply made up of the most abundant elements - all the common stuff floating around which is exactly what you'd expect life to evolve as. If we were made of rare elements, you might have a point.

Except we were formed from the "dust of the earth" all the common stuff floating around, so why would we expect it to be different???? Why would we assume it must be rare elements, when all elements are made up of the same exact protons, neutrons and electrons?

It's you that needs to explain how we are alive, being made of the same protons, electrons and neutrons that make up that dust. No different than the the protons, neutrons and electrons that make up dust itself. Yet we are alive, it is not.

Why would we believe we are alone or not? There is no proof either way.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7861526-43/#post67035156

For or against, pure belief either way.

 

[florida2]

Except none of those solar systems are similar to ours. So dissimilar in fact they think ours is weird.

How Weird Is Our Solar System? | The Planetary Society

"This statistical analysis lends support to models of planetary formation in which planet-planet interactions within a system contribute to the circularizing of planets’ orbits."

We now believe large planets form close to the sun, yet you deny the possibility in ours. Even if we have myths of the gods being born (planets) ruling in the sky for a time - making war - then fading into obscurity (receding in distance). Refuse to consider anything but as it is presently observed. Refuse to accept your own conclusions as to how all other systems have been observed to form. Refuse to consider that planetary interaction necessary for what you now believe to cause stable orbits.

Which leads us back to the true origin of asteroids and comets.

Why the heck are you shoving words into my mouth? I said nothing about the formation of solar systems.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Why the heck are you shoving words into my mouth? I said nothing about the formation of solar systems.

Sure you did, you just said exoplanets are being discovered all the time. Exoplanets that are not similar to ours in any way whatsoever. That large ones form next to their suns. You can't talk about exoplanets without talking about formations of solar systems. Unless you want to ignore how they formed as well?

Are you suggesting they magically appeared as we now observe them?

 

[Queller]

Exactly, so you can't say there is, and you can't say there ain't. It's unknowable.

Why is it unknowable? Just because we don't know now, doesn't mean we never will.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

So you feel that the ordinances of heaven must be identical to earth.

I'm not accepting your ideas about what is heaven. Why would heaven be in our three dimensional universe?

OK. However, the bible indicates that this present world is actually far far different than what is coming, and heaven. So one cannot take a difference between this current world and that which is to come as a lack of consistency. Jesus rose from the dead, was that inconsistent with His pre risen body?

That was a miracle.

Let me help then. To assume the same time and space as cosmology gurus do, leads to conclusions like God never really created the stars or man, or the world as He says He did.

You are not entitled to say what others will think. Many of us give God great glory for the vast creation of his that spans billions of years and vast reaches of space.

It is simply a matter of knowing what we witness is. It is odd to witness something four feet from your face and insist on making the universe and all time and space conform to that.

I've seen the great galaxy of andromeda with my own eyes and that's a tad more than four feet.

God is not revealed in the beliefs of man about what rocks say. Or tea leaves. Or stars. Those who claimed to read the stars were with us from the days of Egypt.

I do not call the interpretations of man, that are void of wisdom and God..'handiwork' of God. To do so would be folly indeed.

The heavens declare the glory of God, and the firmament shows His handiwork. Your idea that we can't figure anything out from what He is showing us is contrary to scripture. But since the things you say are inconsistent with reality, please note my signature verse below and know it applies to you.

 

[florida2]

Sure you did, you just said exoplanets are being discovered all the time. Exoplanets that are not similar to ours in any way whatsoever. That large ones form next to their suns. You can't talk about exoplanets without talking about formations of solar systems. Unless you want to ignore how they formed as well?

Are you suggesting they magically appeared as we now observe them?

Please show me where I denied that large planets can form close to a star.

Please show me the exact place in my post where I talked about the formation of planets and solar systems.

Otherwise, retract your accusation.

 

[TLK Valentine]

To sum up the OP, parallax doesn't work because what we see in the sky cannot be trusted, as God has decided to arbitrarily change the laws of physics every 100 yards.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

To sum up the OP, parallax doesn't work because what we see in the sky cannot be trusted, as God has decided to arbitrarily change the laws of physics every 100 yards.

Yes, but in such a way as to make it look like the laws of physics don't do that. Which is a very complicated thing to do, you know.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Yes, but in such a way as to make it look like the laws of physics don't do that. Which is a very complicated thing to do, you know.

Not so complicated for a god -- once He's committed Himself to deceiving us, He's willing to put in the effort.

 

[Loudmouth]

No. The light from them obviously has to be though.

The light is being produced by the stars. Since we can see the stars, they are in our time bubble.

QED.

 

[Loudmouth]

It is not living in the time and space God ordained for us to live in, that determines what laws exist here. We simply deal with what we are dealt.

Those are all claims. We need to see evidence for your claims.

Please show us evidence of God altering time and space. No more claims. We need to see evidence.

 

[time]

Exactly, so you can't say there is, and you can't say there ain't. It's unknowable. Declarations of either neither fact nor based upon anything factual.

But I would assume since the same God made everything, the odds are that life exists multiple places. The Bible is simply Mankind's history - not the history of the universe.

That has implications. It would mean that when a third of the stars fall to earth, and later when all the stars go OUT, the life there would die, or have to be raptured to another dimension. That seems insane.

 

[time]

Same way my house wouldn't be unique. if earth is unique due to us living here, my house is unique due to me living there.

If you live in your house then that means you do not live in the other houses, or not many of them, if you happen to have a shared condo, or whatever. The question is whether God made us each unique. I vote yes.

 

[time]

What other solar system have we checked for life?

That brings to mind another question...on what systems do you claim life must exist?

 

[time]

As far as we know, yes, but more exoplanets are discovered all the time.

Except that so called exoplanets could be specks of sand sized for all we know, because all distance involves a belief and requirement that time exist and exist as we know it there.
That means literally, that the exodreamthingies are no better than that belief. Once that belief is marginalized and admitted, there no longer is any problem.

Telescope technology is improving to the point that we will soon be able to detect the composition of the atmospheres of these distant planets.

No. Not really. It may mean that you could detect some elements on the speck or whatever it is, but most of that is all a part of the fabric of your imagination.

To think we are alone in the universe is arrogant and highly unlikely.

There is no such thing as chance in life. Either God created or not out there.

The only life cited out there in the bible is demons and angels. There could never be proof for anything else with science, even if fallen demons came down to earth and claimed alien status.

There's nothing special about life on Earth. We're simply made up of the most abundant elements -

Nothing special about your claim, plenty special about earth and life actually!

Just because we have elements does not mean we are no more than that.

all the common stuff floating around which is exactly what you'd expect life to evolve as.

Speak for yourself. I do not expect life to evolve from anything anywhere ever. Especially dust floating around in your room.

If we were made of rare elements, you might have a point.

That which is flesh is flesh and that which is spirit is spirit, and that which is science is flesh only.

 

[[serious]]

If you live in your house then that means you do not live in the other houses, or not many of them, if you happen to have a shared condo, or whatever. The question is whether God made us each unique. I vote yes.

Ok, then Earth is as unique as my house and other planets are just as unique as other houses.

Not sure how that supports your other ideas.

That brings to mind another question...on what systems do you claim life must exist?

must =/= can

If I flip 10 coins, none must land on tails, but some probably will.

 

[time]

I'm not accepting your ideas about what is heaven. Why would heaven be in our three dimensional universe?

How do you propose angels get here, and fight demons on the way then, if this doesn't include the heavens where the stars are and birds fly? Do they sneak in through rock cracks? It seems to me that Jesus went up to heaven, via the clouds and will return the same way. Up is up is up.

You are not entitled to say what others will think. Many of us give God great glory for the vast creation of his that spans billions of years and vast reaches of space.

Great. You are not entitled, should you ever get the notion, to deny Jesus created man or the world.

I've seen the great galaxy of andromeda with my own eyes and that's a tad more than four feet.

Four feet? I tend to agree with that, mostly through intuition and common sense.

The heavens declare the glory of God, and the firmament shows His handiwork. Your idea that we can't figure anything out from what He is showing us is contrary to scripture.

Your idea that I don't think we can figure anything out is foolishness. That being said, most of what you think you figured out is wrong.

But since the things you say are inconsistent with reality, please note my signature verse below and know it applies to you.

No thanks.

 

[time]

Ok, then Earth is as unique as my house and other planets are just as unique as other houses.

Me either. You brought up your house.

If I flip 10 coins, none must land on tails, but some probably will.

OK. Is this science?