Common Core promoting Islam!!!!

[kiwimac]

Common Core is not about religious teaching. Really it is that simple. Including words and phrases about a religion for vocabulary learning does not constitute teaching about a religion. As for sistrin and CAIR, they gave money to a group associated with Hamas, only in America is that considered giving money to terrorists.

 

[GarfieldJL]

Common Core is not about religious teaching. Really it is that simple. Including words and phrases about a religion for vocabulary learning does not constitute teaching about a religion. As for sistrin and CAIR, they gave money to a group associated with Hamas, only in America is that considered giving money to terrorists.

That's cause they are a terrorist group, the fact the rest of the world chooses to turn a blind-eye to the behavior of Hamas because they primarily target Jews speaks volumes about the rest of the world now doesn't it?

 

[USincognito]

I am confused now. You people have turned this into a Islam bashing thread instead of what the thread should be about, which is what I thought was about why public schools seem to or not to be promoting a religion when they should be completely sanitized of it unless the lesson is specifically on religion.

Are you mad because they seem to be promoting islam or are you mad because they are promoting a religion period? What is it?

Yeah, for a certain segment of our population, the terrorists have won.

 

[Thunder Peel]

That's cause they are a terrorist group, the fact the rest of the world chooses to turn a blind-eye to the behavior of Hamas because they primarily target Jews speaks volumes about the rest of the world now doesn't it?

Exactly. The fact that many countries have remained silent about Hamas and other groups targeting Israel and Christian settlements around the globe is very telling.

 

[super animator]

Yeah, for a certain segment of our population, the terrorists have won.

There nothing underneath the sun when it comes to his posts.

 

[TLK Valentine]

That's cause they are a terrorist group, the fact the rest of the world chooses to turn a blind-eye to the behavior of Hamas because they primarily target Jews speaks volumes about the rest of the world now doesn't it?

But what does it say about Common Core?

*crickets*

 

[TLK Valentine]

I wouldn't want my school to promote christianity. because public schools suck anyhow and they will probably teach it wrong.

And yet many of our friends on the Right think they can be a bigger religious influence than parents.

Can't have it both ways -- either our school system is hopelessly inept, or they can do a better job raising your kid than you can.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I'm guessing you missed all the news stories about young American Muslims trying to sneak overseas to join ISIS...

Why are they sneaking? We're not Cold-War East Germany (are we?) -- anyone who wants to leave is free to do so.

Then there was the Ft. Hood shooting, despite the Obama Administration calling it "workplace violence," it was clearly terrorism.

Clear to you -- but let's assume you're right... shall we ban Muslims from the Armed forces in order to prevent further attacks?

I don't recall any Catholic Nuns running around decapitating nonCatholics recently, do you?

I noticed you felt the need to qualify that with "recently" -- Christian history is pretty bloody; luckily, the First Amendment keeps you guys in line.

Other than barring the use of Shariah Law in the United States, I'm not going to go down that road. What I want is for people to recognize what's going on instead of being worried about "offending" someone.

What exactly is "Sharia Law," in your opinion, and how would you propose barring it in such a way that won't come back to bite you?

I'm stating a fact, not trying to justify or excuse their behavior.

And yet, you just justified and excused it -- the reason they behave the way they do is because their sacred book commands it.

Meanwhile, we've got plenty of Christians who are behaving exactly the opposite of what their sacred book commands -- what's their excuse?

I'm also guessing you've missed some of the anti-Israel posters in the News and Events section that have tried to excuse the behavior of terrorist groups like Hamas...

Israel's get no shortage of blood on its hands as well -- both sides can claim either self-defense and/or just retribution.

Nice thing about freedom is the freedom to decide who to believe.

Just what are you trying to imply with the above comment?

I "implied" nothing -- I flat out said it.

The First Amendment that keeps the Muslims from going nuts is the same one that keep the Christians from going nuts. I no more fear Sharia in my neighborhood than I fear the Inquisition.

It's certain Christians, of course, who are always looking for loopholes and special privileges -- and aren't they always surprised when someone besides themselves takes advantage of the ones they create?

The teaching of Christianity is pretty much barred from public schools in the United States, and to be frank the public schools don't teach much about Judaism either (aside from maybe covering the holocaust).

Funny, there's actually a lot of teaching about Christianity and Judaism -- what's barred is the promotion and enforcement of these religions.

Certain Christians made it pretty clear that when given an inch; they wanted the mile. I teach about Christianity all the time in public schools -- but while I am careful to not offend believers (even though you say I shouldn't be), I do it objectively.

And objectively is never good enough for some Christians, is it?

 

[Sistrin]

A claim which has long since been debunked.

There are those who say Elvis is still alive. Repeating that over and over doesn't make it true.

The United States Constitution says otherwise -- so what you're proposing is, quite literally, un-American.

The United States Constitution does not say all religions are equal, and neither does the First Amendment. Try reading it.

The Establishment Clause prohibits the federal government from passing legislation to establish a state religion and from passing legislation mandating the preference of one religion over another on the citizenry. The Free Exercise clause prohibits the government from enacting legislation which prohibits or interferes with beliefs and opinions. But the Supreme Court has held the government can prohibit practices.

The Constitution says all established religions are equally protected by the wording and context of the First Amendment, but it does not render all the worlds religions equal.

Why should American schools promote un-American ideas?

Such as "there is no God but Allah, and Mohammad is his prophet?"

Where are your cries for separation of church and state? Intellectual honesty alone would demand as honest admission here, that if the lesson in question had this sentence in it:

"Christianity is the only true religion, Jesus is the way, and no man comes to the father in heaven but through him."

You guys would be screaming bloody murder about separation of church and state, the promotion of Christianity in the public schools, all seasoned with charges of bigotry and racism. Yet when the lesson promotes Mohammad and Allah, you defend the public school promoting that particular belief because...its Islam, I guess.

The only thing Atheists and Satanists have ever done is avail themselves of the same legal rights, privileges, and protections which Christians enjoy for themselves.

So atheism is a religion? Again, thanks for confirming that. Satanist however worked the system to get their cult recognized as a religion in order to attack and diminish Christianity, because that is what they do. They, along with atheist, have used their status to restrict the free exercise of religion on the part of Christians.

Is that somehow a bad thing? Are there supposed to be one set of laws for Christians, and another set for the rest of us?

Satanist can believe any crap they want to, they are not free to practice whatever they want to.

Well, considering that Common Core only covers English/Language arts and Math, the historical content of such a lesson is irrelevant.

You can search for Common Core standards for world history, and find them.

As someone who actually does work with Common Core, I've been trying to tell you this for quite some time.

Again with the appeal to authority. I offer this challenge again. You want to debate the sanctity of public school teachers and the public school system, start a thread in Ethics and Morality and I will happily discuss the topic. But Ethics and Morality is where that thread would be appropriate.

You mean not being taught how to think as you do.... jealous much?

They are not being taught how to think. In order to arrive at informed opinions and conclusions, both sides of an issue must be presented. White-washing the presentation of Islam as the grand religion of peace and if only it weren't for Bush and the United States there would be no terrorism is indoctrination, not education.

There are two problems inherent with the lesson introduced in the OP. First, it shouldn't have been presented at all unless, as you guys are so fond of saying, all other religions were given equal time. Second, following the sentence describing Mohammad enjoying meditation, there should be one describing Mohammad's enjoyment of little girls. Then at least you have balance.

Christianity and Judaism both condone slavery; secular laws keep them in check. Then they changed their tunes in order to be politically correct.

There are so many things wrong with this statement it would take a dissertation to address them all. I will settle for you have no idea what you are talking about.

When will some people learn that the law applies to everybody equally in this country?

If this is what you truly think, you should be on my side. The English lesson in question could have been presented just as effectively without any mention of Mohammad or Allah or Islam. Someone chose to construct the lesson in that fashion, and if whoever it was had chosen to glorify Christianity instead, you would be foaming at the mouth demanding heads on a platter.

 

[thesopranopiano]

Then why is CAIR so supportive of Common Core?

Are they really? I didn't see any evidence on your links, just claims. I also didn't see any mention of support from CAIR on Common Core's site, and didn't see any mention of Common Core on CAIR's site. Googling it just led me to conservative sites that made similar claims, without evidence. I'll admit i could have overlooked something, but I'm curious to know where these claims are coming from.

 

[TLK Valentine]

There are those who say Elvis is still alive. Repeating that over and over doesn't make it true.

And how many times must "Common Core promoting Islam!!!!" be repeated before it becomes true?

I've already posted a direct link to the exact Common Core Standards; for your benefit, I'll do so again:

Read the Standards | Common Core State Standards Initiative

Now, find me where, in these standards, Islam is promoted or mentioned.

No more anecdotes, no more conspiracy theories -- let's go straight to the horse's mouth. Find Islam in the standards, or admit that it only exists in your imagination.

And yes, yes, we know already... Islam delenda est.... now find your enemy in the place you claim he is.

But what does that have to do with Common Core?

Answer: Nothing.

The United States Constitution does not say all religions are equal, and neither does the First Amendment. Try reading it.

I have read it -- more importantly, I follow it. Try following it.

The Establishment Clause prohibits the federal government from passing legislation to establish a state religion and from passing legislation mandating the preference of one religion over another on the citizenry. The Free Exercise clause prohibits the government from enacting legislation which prohibits or interferes with beliefs and opinions. But the Supreme Court has held the government can prohibit practices.

And what practices in particular would you like prohibited that aren't already?

The Constitution says all established religions are equally protected by the wording and context of the First Amendment, but it does not render all the worlds religions equal.

How exactly does one "establish" a religion?

Such as "there is no God but Allah, and Mohammad is his prophet?"

Where are your cries for separation of church and state? Intellectual honesty alone would demand as honest admission here, that if the lesson in question had this sentence in it:

"Christianity is the only true religion, Jesus is the way, and no man comes to the father in heaven but through him."

What are you babbling about? If you're referring to the alleged lessons where students were roleplaying being Muslims, I was upset about those -- of course, my concern was quickly drown out by the shouts of the professional complainers, who decided that the facts weren't enough to complain about.

You guys would be screaming bloody murder about separation of church and state, the promotion of Christianity in the public schools, all seasoned with charges of bigotry and racism. Yet when the lesson promotes Mohammad and Allah, you defend the public school promoting that particular belief because...its Islam, I guess.

Not at all -- I defended nothing; it seems, as I said, that the facts aren't enough to complain about.

So atheism is a religion? Again, thanks for confirming that.

Freedom of religion must include freedom from religion, else it's worthless.

Remember that the leash you want to put on the Muslims also fits you.

Satanist however worked the system to get their cult recognized as a religion in order to attack and diminish Christianity, because that is what they do. They, along with atheist, have used their status to restrict the free exercise of religion on the part of Christians.

Satanism is an established religion -- your opinion is irrelevant.

Satanist can believe any crap they want to, they are not free to practice whatever they want to.

Actually, they are, so long as they follow the laws -- same as you.

You can search for Common Core standards for world history, and find them.

Read the Standards | Common Core State Standards Initiative

I have -- they're not there. Care to try again?

Have you even bothered to read the Common Core yourself?

Again with the appeal to authority. I offer this challenge again. You want to debate the sanctity of public school teachers and the public school system, start a thread in Ethics and Morality and I will happily discuss the topic. But Ethics and Morality is where that thread would be appropriate.

My only authority is the fact that I actually have read and worked with the Common Core -- you, clearly, have not.

Why else would you insist it contains things which it doesn't, such as World History?

They are not being taught how to think. In order to arrive at informed opinions and conclusions, both sides of an issue must be presented. White-washing the presentation of Islam as the grand religion of peace and if only it weren't for Bush and the United States there would be no terrorism is indoctrination, not education.

Is demonizing it any better?

There are two problems inherent with the lesson introduced in the OP. First, it shouldn't have been presented at all unless, as you guys are so fond of saying, all other religions were given equal time. Second, following the sentence describing Mohammad enjoying meditation, there should be one describing Mohammad's enjoyment of little girls. Then at least you have balance.

If the focus of the legend was Islam, I would most certainly agree -- in fact, I agree that using Islam, or any religion in general was a bad idea fr a vocabulary assignment.

Vocabulary assignments, which they should be interesting, should also avoid controversy. I would've avoided any sort of religious theme and gone with something historical -- perhaps scientific -- Thomas Edison, perhaps?

Also, I don't think educating kids on the joys of pedophilia, as you suggest, is "balance."

There are so many things wrong with this statement it would take a dissertation to address them all. I will settle for you have no idea what you are talking about.

You're bluffing. Just admit you're wrong.

Slavery is both condoned and practiced in both the Old and New Testament, and was defended as such up until the Civil War... unless you're ready to show the chapter and verse where it was repealed? OT or NT will do...

Lucky us; secular law put a stop to that practice...

If this is what you truly think, you should be on my side. The English lesson in question could have been presented just as effectively without any mention of Mohammad or Allah or Islam. Someone chose to construct the lesson in that fashion, and if whoever it was had chosen to glorify Christianity instead, you would be foaming at the mouth demanding heads on a platter.

Maybe you haven't been paying attention, but I am on your side. The vocabulary lesson was poorly written, and would've been much better with no mention of any religion whatsoever. To do so was a mistake.

You're just missing the point, so I'll express it as simply as I can:

THAT MISTAKE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH COMMON CORE.

Really, all you have to do is read the standards, and you'll see that I can agree with you without the need to chant "Islam delenda est."

You see, Sistrin -- I choose to put the blame on the people who are actually responsible, not just the people I don't like.

 

[wing2000]

Option two is indoctrination, a tactic utilized by every totalitarian regime which has ever even wanted to impose power. Common Core isn't designed to promote Islam in nothing but a positive light, groups such as CIAR, INSA, and the Muslim Brootherhood, with the help of the American left, are using Common Core to advance that image in pursuit of their agenda. Again, they have articulated this strategy themselves, if you would but research it.

...i.e. just as Communism infiltrated our schools in the 1950's eh?

 

[TLK Valentine]

...i.e. just as Communism infiltrated our schools in the 1950's eh?

Better dead than Red... it's the only way to stop the fanatics...

 

[morningstar2651]

The Bible doesn't preach for one to murder nonbelievers.

Both off-topic and wrong. This is your Common Core Conspiracy thread in the American Politics section. I'm not sure what this off-topic post has to do with common core.

I also don't advise playing the "My holy book is less evil than your holy book" game. Nobody wins that game.

Deuteronomy 13:6-10
If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you ... Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die."

 

[gnomon]

never mind.

 

[Sistrin]

And how many times must "Common Core promoting Islam!!!!" be repeated before it becomes true?

Once.

Now, find me where, in these standards, Islam is promoted or mentioned.

Myopia becomes you. Really. In your job it will serve you well.

Freedom of religion must include freedom from religion, else it's worthless.

This is the lie promoted by both satanist and atheist. However the First Amendment does not nor was it written or ever intended to guarantee freedom from religion. That is a catch phrase conjured up by members of the left and atheist in particular to justify their attacks on any expression of religion in the public square.

Satanism is an established religion -- your opinion is irrelevant.

And how did they establish that? However the truth remains the same. Satanism is a cult practiced by cult members performing cult ceremonies. It is nihilistic and narcissistic and exist to glorify the self, for the pursuit of carnal desires, promote discord, promote the great lie, and to destroy. Those who defend it are most often those who practice it but won't openly admit to it. That it was ever recognized as a religion is a travesty, but one members of certain groups tout as progress.

Have you even bothered to read the Common Core yourself?

My only authority is the fact that I actually have read and worked with the Common Core -- you, clearly, have not.

Sophistry.

Teachers who fail

A survey of certification-test scores yields alarming results

More than half a million Florida students sat in classrooms last year in front of teachers who failed the state's basic skills tests for teachers.

Many of those students got teachers who struggled to solve high school math problems or whose English skills were so poor, they flunked reading tests designed to measure the very same skills students must master before they can graduate.

These aren't isolated instances of a few teachers whose test-taking skills don't match their expertise and training. A Herald-Tribune investigation has found that fully a third of teachers, teachers' aides and substitutes failed their certification tests at least once.

The Herald-Tribune found teachers who had failed in nearly every school in each of the state's 67 counties.

Source: Teachers who fail | HeraldTribune.com

Don't presume that just because you work in the public school system you are smarter than everyone who doesn't. That is the prevailing attitude of public school teachers, I have dealt with it for years, and as with most beliefs they attempt to foist upon others they couldn't be more wrong if they tried.

Case in point:

Also, I don't think educating kids on the joys of pedophilia, as you suggest, is "balance."

I never suggested any such thing, and the fact you would make such a comment proves you either can't understand the point I was making or are resorting to the default position of slander based on assumed superiority.

Try honestly addressing my points.

You're bluffing. Just admit you're wrong.

No, in regard to that particular comment you don't know what you are talking about.

In addition, do you really believe enlarging the text validates anything you say?

I choose to put the blame on the people who are actually responsible, not just the people I don't like.

You don't assign any blame at all. Moral relativism may play well in the teacher's lounge sewing circle, but in truth moral relativism reflects the refusal to take any stand other than the safe and easy one. Congratulations.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Once.

You've been repeating it ad nauseam -- and it's still not true.

Myopia becomes you. Really. In your job it will serve you well.

You didn't look, did you?

Isn't it ironic that you complain that our children aren't being taught how to think, while at the same time, you refuse to look for yourself to see if the people who are telling you what to think are telling you the truth?

The standards are there -- what are you afraid of finding?

This is the lie promoted by both satanist and atheist. However the First Amendment does not nor was it written or ever intended to guarantee freedom from religion. That is a catch phrase conjured up by members of the left and atheist in particular to justify their attacks on any expression of religion in the public square.

Nice assertion -- a pity it's false.

Here -- tell me if this rings a bell:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Seems to me that we're free from any particular religion... and if we're free from any of them, we're free from all of them.

And how did they establish that?

Same way any other religion gets "established." Did you think there's an official, government-approved guide?

However the truth remains the same. Satanism is a cult practiced by cult members performing cult ceremonies. It is nihilistic and narcissistic and exist to glorify the self, for the pursuit of carnal desires, promote discord, promote the great lie, and to destroy. Those who defend it are most often those who practice it but won't openly admit to it. That it was ever recognized as a religion is a travesty, but one members of certain groups tout as progress.

Well, that's your opinion, and thanks to the First Amendment, you have a right to it.

Ain't the First Amendment grand?

Sophistry.

No, facts.

• I've read the Common Core. You have not.
• I've worked with the Common Core. You have not.
• I know from first hand experience exactly what the Common Core does and does not mandate. You do not.
• I've offered you the chance to see for yourself, learn for yourself, and think for yourself. You refused.

These are the facts, Sistrin -- as plain and obvious as the nose on your face.

Teachers who fail

A survey of certification-test scores yields alarming results

The Herald-Tribune found teachers who had failed in nearly every school in each of the state's 67 counties.

Source: Teachers who fail | HeraldTribune.com

Sad -- but irrelevant. We're talking about Common Core in Florida -- not the numerous other things wrong with their educational system.

Shift goalposts much?

Don't presume that just because you work in the public school system you are smarter than everyone who doesn't.

No worries -- I don't need to be smarter than you; I just need to know more about Common Core than you do.

Since I've read the standards, and you still haven't, that's not particularly difficult.

You still haven't even looked at Common Core for yourself, have you?

That is the prevailing attitude of public school teachers, I have dealt with it for years, and as with most beliefs they attempt to foist upon others they couldn't be more wrong if they tried.

You're the one who claimed Common Core has standards for World History. Perhaps if you had actually clicked the link I offered you several times, you would've seen how stunningly wrong you were.

But you won't, and that'll keep this discussion amusing.

So carry on, Sistrin. Islam delenda est, and all that.

 

[morningstar2651]

Once.



Myopia becomes you. Really. In your job it will serve you well.



This is the lie promoted by both satanist and atheist. However the First Amendment does not nor was it written or ever intended to guarantee freedom from religion. That is a catch phrase conjured up by members of the left and atheist in particular to justify their attacks on any expression of religion in the public square.



And how did they establish that? However the truth remains the same. Satanism is a cult practiced by cult members performing cult ceremonies. It is nihilistic and narcissistic and exist to glorify the self, for the pursuit of carnal desires, promote discord, promote the great lie, and to destroy. Those who defend it are most often those who practice it but won't openly admit to it. That it was ever recognized as a religion is a travesty, but one members of certain groups tout as progress.



Sophistry.

Teachers who fail

A survey of certification-test scores yields alarming results

More than half a million Florida students sat in classrooms last year in front of teachers who failed the state's basic skills tests for teachers.

Many of those students got teachers who struggled to solve high school math problems or whose English skills were so poor, they flunked reading tests designed to measure the very same skills students must master before they can graduate.

These aren't isolated instances of a few teachers whose test-taking skills don't match their expertise and training. A Herald-Tribune investigation has found that fully a third of teachers, teachers' aides and substitutes failed their certification tests at least once.

The Herald-Tribune found teachers who had failed in nearly every school in each of the state's 67 counties.

Source: Teachers who fail | HeraldTribune.com

Don't presume that just because you work in the public school system you are smarter than everyone who doesn't. That is the prevailing attitude of public school teachers, I have dealt with it for years, and as with most beliefs they attempt to foist upon others they couldn't be more wrong if they tried.

Case in point:



I never suggested any such thing, and the fact you would make such a comment proves you either can't understand the point I was making or are resorting to the default position of slander based on assumed superiority.

Try honestly addressing my points.



No, in regard to that particular comment you don't know what you are talking about.

In addition, do you really believe enlarging the text validates anything you say?



You don't assign any blame at all. Moral relativism may play well in the teacher's lounge sewing circle, but in truth moral relativism reflects the refusal to take any stand other than the safe and easy one. Congratulations.

Let's beat this dead horse some more, eh?

• There is still no Islamic conspiracy to convert school children via the math and English learning standards of Common Core.
• Common core still doesn't promote Islam.
• You still don't know or understand what Common Core is.
• You still haven't read Common Core.
• Your arguments are still completely ridiculous.
• You have rejected reality and replaced it with a fantasy world. No amount of logic, reasoning, or evidence will convince you that there isn't a Muslim conspiracy to take over the world starting with the high school children of Farmville.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Let's beat this dead horse some more, eh?

• There is still no Islamic conspiracy to convert school children via the math and English learning standards of Common Core.
• Common core still doesn't promote Islam.
• You still don't know or understand what Common Core is.
• You still haven't read Common Core.
• Your arguments are still completely ridiculous.
• You have rejected reality and replaced it with a fantasy world. No amount of logic, reasoning, or evidence will convince you that there isn't a Muslim conspiracy to take over the world starting with the high school children of Farmville.

I mean, if he'd just at least admit that he was wrong when he said Common Core covers World History, that'd be a start...

 

[morningstar2651]