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How many times and ways do we have to explain it to you?

  • Common core says nothing about religion.
  • Common core says zero things about religion.
  • Religion is not a part of the common core.
  • Common core promotes no religions.
  • The assignment is not "common core".
  • The assignment was not created by common core.
  • The assignment was not created by the government.
  • The vocabulary assignment does not promote any religion.
  • Common core is a set of standards, not a set of assignments.
  • "Why doesn't your school promote Christianity?" is not an appropriate response to assuming that a school promotes Islam.
  • There are no mosques in Farmville, North Carolina.
  • There isn't a conspiracy in North Carolina to convert high school students to Islam.
Is it sinking in yet?
  • Starnes lied when he said common core supports, promotes, or has ANYTHING to do with Islam.
  • Starnes lied when he equivocated this assignment with common core.
  • Starnes may have even lied about this assignment being in the Farmville, NC high school curriculum.
 
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So you're saying the academic community has a bias problem and is trying to promote a political agenda?

So's law -- how adorable.

I addressed this in the post you quoted -- it would appear you weren't interested in the answer.

If that were the case, there wouldn't have been that uproar over the Texas Board of Education some months ago?

Not necessarily -- materials can be ordered by districts, schools, or even individual teachers.

A school board, like many other bureaucracies, is reactionary in nature -- they don't cause uproars, they react to uproars from teachers or parents.

The real question, therefore, is why didn't any parents cause an uproar until this point? Most likely, this was the first time the printable in question was used.

It should also be noted that a publisher is usually not the author of a textbook... The authors of textbooks are usually a bunch of academics, and it is compiled by an editor (who may or may not work for the publisher), the publishing company prints the actual hardcopies and the amount of input they have can vary...

Indeed -- none of which has anything to do with Common Core; thank you for supporting my point.

And you are quite correct -- textbook authors are usually professionals in their academic fields; alas, there's often a wide gulf between what they write and what eventually gets printed -- business is business, after all.

Look some schools use custom editions of textbooks, and while that can mean fewer Used versions of a book can be bought by students, it also adds to the cost for the publisher to produce. It would cost a publisher far less money to produce the regular edition of a book, but they have to cater to their customers (like universities).

True, but irrelevant to the issue at hand...

... unless you're agreeing with me when I pointed out that it's the publisher (or the publishing company, as the case may be), and not "Common Core," which determines exactly what ultimately goes into a textbook -- or a printable like the one in the OP.

I never said it was a conspiracy, I'm saying it's the result of bias that academics don't even realize they have.

You're saying this after explaining that academics don't have the final say in what gets printed...

When it comes to textbooks, publishers have to cater to their customers (the schools, state education boards, universities, etc.).

Indeed -- it's a business decision: textbook publishers want to sell as many books to as many districts as possible; no easy feat with fifty states with fifty different sets of standards... Common Core only goes so far; individual states add their own demands on top.

The reasons why textbooks tend to be so expensive have to do with limited production and royalties to various authors/universities, etc., not just the publisher trying to make money.

Never said otherwise -- academics deserve to get paid too, do they not?

It is the education boards, professors, departments of universities, etc. that select the books to be used, the publishers have to produce a product to meet the approval of their customers...

Equal parts obvious and irrelevant -- the assignment in question didn't come from a textbook, but from a worksheet -- those can come form anywhere; even off the internet.

Starnes' article only mentions one English class in which the article was used... That explains a lot, doesn't it?

It's highly unlikely that the School Board knew about this worksheet, let alone made any decisions concerning it. Some Senior English teacher was probably using it for some busy work, and didn't expect any backlash from a throwaway vocab assignment.

Happens all the time.


Considering the fact I've worked at a bookstore that caters to students at a University, I'm well aware of the fact that a school orders lesson materials from publishers. I'm also aware of the fact that the academic community, boards of education, etc. have a lot more influence over what's in those lesson materials than you were aware of...

Considering the fact that I've been a teacher for fifteen years, I think you'd be quite surprised what I am aware of that you, clearly, are not.

Actually, his conclusions are far more plausible than your blaming the publishers.

They would be, if his conclusions were based on the facts.

For starters, who do you think writes the stuff for the publishers to include in textbooks? -- Answer: Academics

Adorable -- but this was a worksheet, not a textbook.

Who do you think writes those? -- Answer: just about anybody.

Second, the publishers have to compete with each other, and books get chosen from a selection offered by different publishers.

That would matter if we knew the assignment in question came out of a textbook.

Do we know that? No? Well, then....

Third, when you've worked in a bookstore that's catered to students and specifically worked with helping students regarding textbooks, you develop some working knowledge about how textbooks get selected for use at a school.

That's adorable -- meanwhile, when you've taught at an actual school, you are sometimes consulted as to which textbooks get selected, especially in smaller districts or private schools. If you're fortunate, your school has different books available, and you'll get some leeway regarding which ones you use.

And when it comes to handouts and worksheets -- what we in the profession call "printables" -- the sky's pretty much the limit. Teachers can use workbooks that accompany texts if the school saw fit to purchase them, we can write them up ourselves, as I have often done, or we can trade with other teachers, usually over the internet.

Cause your "corporate conspiracy" argument is not plausible...

Agreed, but only because I was making the same mistake you're making now: I thought we were dealing with a textbook, not a printable.

Now, the most plausible answer is that this was an individual teacher in an individual class who downloaded a controversial vocab worksheet from.... well, who knows where? :wave:
 
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I'm still waiting for someone to explain how common core is promoting Islam.

No one has presented such an argument yet.

Any other complaints about Common Core are irrelevant. The thread is about how common core is promoting Islam.

Unless someone has some actual proof of this I suggest this thread be deemed done for the falsehood that it is. Which is nothing more than maligning a religion for the sake of one members sick sense of self.
 
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I'm still waiting for someone to explain how common core is promoting Islam.

No one has presented such an argument yet.

Any other complaints about Common Core are irrelevant. The thread is about how common core is promoting Islam.

Unless someone has some actual proof of this I suggest this thread be deemed done for the falsehood that it is. Which is nothing more than maligning a religion for the sake of one members sick sense of self.

Jesus Christ was the son of god, and he was at the same time God our savior in the flesh. He died on the cross so that you may be saved.

I suppose you would approve of the preceding line being put into work sheets? How is it different?
 
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Jesus Christ was the son of god, and he was at the same time God our savior in the flesh. He died on the cross so that you may be saved.

I suppose you would approve of the preceding line being put into work sheets? How is it different?

Early Christian missionaries claimed, to mixed responses from their audience, that "Jesus Christ was the son of god, and he was at the same time God our savior in the flesh. He died on the cross so that you may be saved."
 
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Jesus Christ was the son of god, and he was at the same time God our savior in the flesh. He died on the cross so that you may be saved.

I suppose you would approve of the preceding line being put into work sheets? How is it different?

You're missing the point -- the point being that Common Core has nothing to do with the pro-Islamic sentiments in the worksheet in question.
 
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Jesus Christ was the son of god, and he was at the same time God our savior in the flesh. He died on the cross so that you may be saved.

I suppose you would approve of the preceding line being put into work sheets? How is it different?

Well, from an educational perspective, you failed to use the vocabulary word the alleged worksheet is supposed to be teaching...so there's the complete and utter failure to teach the material. Please leave instructional design and curriculum development to the experts.

As has been pointed out several times - you missed the point that common core has nothing to do with any religion. Not yours. Not mine. Not Islam. None.
 
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Well, from an educational perspective, you failed to use the vocabulary word the alleged worksheet is supposed to be teaching...so there's the complete and utter failure to teach the material. Please leave instructional design and curriculum development to the experts.

As has been pointed out several times - you missed the point that common core has nothing to do with any religion. Not yours. Not mine. Not Islam. None.

First off, What ever. I am making the point that it was promoting Islam, So I made a statement promoting Christianity. Is this better? If Jesus saved 5 Souls but the 6'th was a Mystic whom refused to except Christ as her savior, how many of the 6 would suffer for eternity do to a rejection of the God that holds her accountable? There that a better example for you?

Second comment, So you are saying common core did not cause this work sheet to be in place, So common core is not the problem but, This kind of stuff needs to be stopped?
 
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Early Christian missionaries claimed, to mixed responses from their audience, that "Jesus Christ was the son of god, and he was at the same time God our savior in the flesh. He died on the cross so that you may be saved."

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

King James Bible
Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

There are plenty more Verses I could quote to make it clear that Jesus is declared to be God in the flesh. However this is the wrong thread for this topic. I was simply unwilling to walk away and allow someone to deny Christ without a rebuttal.
 
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So's law -- how adorable.

I addressed this in the post you quoted -- it would appear you weren't interested in the answer.

You mean the trying to blame the publisher for the decisions of educators?

Not necessarily -- materials can be ordered by districts, schools, or even individual teachers.

Those materials still have to meet guidelines that they have to follow. A teacher at a public school doesn't have the same amount of leeway that a college professor does...

A school board, like many other bureaucracies, is reactionary in nature -- they don't cause uproars, they react to uproars from teachers or parents.

The real question, therefore, is why didn't any parents cause an uproar until this point? Most likely, this was the first time the printable in question was used.

You do realize you just admitted that Common Core could have something to do with this.

Indeed -- none of which has anything to do with Common Core; thank you for supporting my point.

And you are quite correct -- textbook authors are usually professionals in their academic fields; alas, there's often a wide gulf between what they write and what eventually gets printed -- business is business, after all.

What is ultimately put in would still have to meet with the approval of the authors otherwise the publishers would be risking legal action being taken against them...


True, but irrelevant to the issue at hand...

... unless you're agreeing with me when I pointed out that it's the publisher (or the publishing company, as the case may be), and not "Common Core," which determines exactly what ultimately goes into a textbook -- or a printable like the one in the OP.

I'm saying you don't know as much about the textbook industry as you think... As a teacher you have some awareness in this area, but you also have some gaps in your knowledge regarding this topic that I do not have. Just like you're probably more aware of some things on this topic than I am (since we both have experience concerning the textbook industry, just in different aspects of it).

You're saying this after explaining that academics don't have the final say in what gets printed...

They have more say over it than you think, particularly over the sections they wrote...

You see if they rewrite something and then attach a person's name to it without said person's permission they could be subject to lawsuits, lawsuits that they would lose.

Indeed -- it's a business decision: textbook publishers want to sell as many books to as many districts as possible; no easy feat with fifty states with fifty different sets of standards... Common Core only goes so far; individual states add their own demands on top.

How exactly would it be a good business decision to try to shove a political agenda into the books that their customers didn't approve of?

Never said otherwise -- academics deserve to get paid too, do they not?

Not sure why you made the above comment.

Equal parts obvious and irrelevant -- the assignment in question didn't come from a textbook, but from a worksheet -- those can come form anywhere; even off the internet.

Starnes' article only mentions one English class in which the article was used... That explains a lot, doesn't it?

It's highly unlikely that the School Board knew about this worksheet, let alone made any decisions concerning it. Some Senior English teacher was probably using it for some busy work, and didn't expect any backlash from a throwaway vocab assignment.

Happens all the time.

So now you're saying this is the fault of an English Teacher? Look the problem here is that the "worksheet" as you call it, is part of a larger pattern...

Considering the fact that I've been a teacher for fifteen years, I think you'd be quite surprised what I am aware of that you, clearly, are not.

Teachers aren't the only ones that have experience concerning the textbook industry. So are you kindergarten-highschool or are you college level? While you may be aware of some things on this topic that I'm not, I'm probably aware of some things that you are not aware of.

They would be, if his conclusions were based on the facts.

His conclusions are based on facts...

Adorable -- but this was a worksheet, not a textbook.

Who do you think writes those? -- Answer: just about anybody.

That would be interesting for a followup investigation as to where the worksheet came from. Considering this is was part of a vocab assignment, it wouldn't surprise me if the "worksheet" came from a "workbook..."

That would matter if we knew the assignment in question came out of a textbook.

Do we know that? No? Well, then....

That would be a good followup investigation, however chances are the worksheet was from a workbook or pre-printed educational materials, not something an instructor came up with on their own.

That's adorable -- meanwhile, when you've taught at an actual school, you are sometimes consulted as to which textbooks get selected, especially in smaller districts or private schools. If you're fortunate, your school has different books available, and you'll get some leeway regarding which ones you use.

And when it comes to handouts and worksheets -- what we in the profession call "printables" -- the sky's pretty much the limit. Teachers can use workbooks that accompany texts if the school saw fit to purchase them, we can write them up ourselves, as I have often done, or we can trade with other teachers, usually over the internet.

I'm well aware of the fact that teachers often have less leeway than University Professors...

Btw, I'm also well aware of what "printables" are...


Agreed, but only because I was making the same mistake you're making now: I thought we were dealing with a textbook, not a printable.

Now, the most plausible answer is that this was an individual teacher in an individual class who downloaded a controversial vocab worksheet from.... well, who knows where? :wave:

I rather doubt this was the result of an individual teacher, if we were talking about a college professor, I'd be in agreement. Given the stuff with common core, it stands to reason this worksheet had to have been cleared by someone up the chain.
 
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First off, What ever. I am making the point that it was promoting Islam, So I made a statement promoting Christianity. Is this better? If Jesus saved 5 Souls but the 6'th was a Mystic whom refused to except Christ as her savior, how many of the 6 would suffer for eternity do to a rejection of the God that holds her accountable? There that a better example for you?

Second comment, So you are saying common core did not cause this work sheet to be in place, So common core is not the problem but, This kind of stuff needs to be stopped?


However, the common core was not promoting of Islam. Nor does it promote Christianity. It is a set of standards and not lesson plans.
 
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John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

King James Bible
Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

There are plenty more Verses I could quote to make it clear that Jesus is declared to be God in the flesh. However this is the wrong thread for this topic. I was simply unwilling to walk away and allow someone to deny Christ without a rebuttal.


I agree with scripture, but this is not the place for a theological debate. It is a thread about whether the common core was promoting Islam.
 
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There are arguments that Common Core does promote various political agendas...


These sources are to establish a pattern of behavior:
Second-graders taught labor politics in Core Curriculum-aligned lesson plan | Fox News

Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms | Fox News

Common core is a set of standards, not a set of lessons. The only pattern here is that you don't know what common core is. You don't understand what common core is. You don't understand the difference between standards and curriculum.

And yet you still keep making incorrect authoritative statements on a subject that you do not even understand, suggesting a bizarre conspiracy theory where Common Core makes children into liberal Muslims.
 
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See page 6 of 9, question #4...

Wow.....you mean where the lesson prepared by Pearson Education has the answer that the President (does not define party) makes sure the laws are fair? My, that is a huge political statement. :doh::doh:

The President should be trying to make the laws fair - just as the Congress should try to make laws fair, - but it is the Supreme Court's job to be sure it is constitutional.

Is the lesson the Common Core? NO. It is a lesson produced by a company that is trying to write lessons that align with the Common Core.

Is the answer some huge, "sneaky" political statement? HARDLY.


Faux outrage again. Fox (aka Faux news) was desperate to find criticism of the Common Core and fell short of the mark.


So in the suggested 9 page lesson, was there another issue?
 
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Wow.....you mean where the lesson prepared by Pearson Education has the answer that the President (does not define party) makes sure the laws are fair? My, that is a huge political statement. :doh::doh:

The President should be trying to make the laws fair - just as the Congress should try to make laws fair, - but it is the Supreme Court's job to be sure it is constitutional.

Is the lesson the Common Core? NO. It is a lesson produced by a company that is trying to write lessons that align with the Common Core.

Is the answer some huge, "sneaky" political statement? HARDLY.


Faux outrage again. Fox (aka Faux news) was desperate to find criticism of the Common Core and fell short of the mark.


So in the suggested 9 page lesson, was there another issue?

That is not the President's role, his job is to faithfully execute the laws, not usurp the powers of the legislative and judicial branches.
 
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That is not the President's role, his job is to faithfully execute the laws, not usurp the powers of the legislative and judicial branches.


It didn't say his role was to usurp. That is your addition. It was an imperfect answer - but hardly a big political statement.

Again, what you are avoiding it is that it is not the "Common Core" that wrote that lesson. It was a private company. That makes your argument woefully in error (to put it nicely).

I do not think most people opposed to the Common Core even know what it is after looking at posts in this forum.
 
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