And so it continues with going further away from what the OP was focused on - but for the sake of the lurkers...
Care to elaborate?
I will re-iterate since you seem to always ONLY target me, continuing to live in denial that I'm the only one irritated by your posting style...
Rusmeister started it, did he not, when he commented on the endless links and Youtube videos. I only joked about it with him, YET YOU only target me and feel persecuted.
RobNJ also commented on it, yet he's good to go!
Gurney joins in, and stop the presses! Let's talk trash on old gurns and how he is hated in PM's by Thekla and Dorothea.
I'm not naïve, people talk in PM's. Got it. But I find it exceptionally tacky and unnecessary to expose people for saying things about another poster on here. Perhaps Thekla or Dot did say they find me to be a horrible human being? Perhaps! But I'm not so sure they'd appreciate you repeating what they said or paraphrasing it. Perhaps they told you they find Gurney a total pain in the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] IN CONFIDENCE! Is gossip good or the Christian ideal? No way. Have many if not most of us done it to some degree on CF? Absolutely. Should it be put "out there" to smear somebody or betray trusts? Probably not.
And again the extreme irony of your post here, as usual, is that you contradict yourself. You tell Kylissa that, if she wants to know what Thekla and Dot think, go ask them, go straight to the horse's mouth...BUT THEN you go on, as usual, rambling putting words in those ladies' mouths being their spokesperson. Hilarious!
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I think it's tacky to air dirty private laundry in here personally.
Seriously,
IMHO it'd behoove you to please save the drama for someone caring to watch it - for it really should be beneath believers to do. I already talked with them openly (Facebook as well awhile ago) and spoke here with them on the forum and CF (both
on profile and
threads) so it's not hidden what was said in regards to not taking seriously a lot of the reactions people do. Thus, even attempting to assume it was a matter of people saying "gurney is a horrible person!!!" is needless - what was addressed was not taking seriously everything people react over when it comes to the facts. It has always been a foot note since the focus is on what we have in common with each other and the things we learn on....
Reductio ad absurdum is never a good way to make a point - and resorting to it doesn't do anything.
Not everyone disagreeing with gurney is about "persecution/targeting" ...that entails the mindset of a martyr and you're not worth that much time for folks to do so
. Moreover, as said before, it is a lack of addressing facts whenever one chooses the path of exaggerating past what actually happens - if I had to give a list of each/every conversation not matching up with anything you said (including times I did comment on where you HAD good things to say), ithere are plenty. Some basics for lurkers:
Of course it'll always be humorous how quickly mood changes one's antics - for there were links/videos given before ...and PLENTY of moments where words (from you and others) were shared on "That's amazing" or "Awesome!"....if you agreed with it and were paid attention to. I don't really expect one to actually square with that - for if it was an issue then, one needed to drop pretense since that's exactly what the comments would be. However, if one appreciated it and consistently commented on it, then one would need to deal with where there is not truly an image being accurately presented.
With the inconsistencies in argumentation, others have already spoken on it openly before and it's nothing new. I already spoke to Dot and Thekla multiple times before when it comes to not worrying - and they've already spoken before openly here (noting multiple times where they actually focused on postings you claim no one cares fo - be it
here,
here or
here or
here for quick examples) and why they don't like some of the actions in immaturity with being quick to excessively criticize whatever one doesn't like as if that's Gospel.
They know the difference between people placing video references up (or links) and others claiming in needless exaggeration "he endless links and Youtube videos!!" as if that is what happens in EVERY response - for that is not charitable nor avoiding slander Biblically. They understand the issue of how often they have had to deal with you or others placing up videos/long postings and justifying it because (in your own view/preference) it's "Acceptable" despite where many others were not cool with it. No one is going to ever put up with a "Do as I say, Not as I do" mindset which is goes against what the saints have noted when it comes to actually being gracious with others in the same others already give you grace - and others have already spoken on the matter directly.
Thus, it is why others continue writing EXACTLY AS they always have and have been encouraged to do even as you may choose to harp on the matter. People choose to ignore the accusations - and for casual lurkers, they are thankfully able to keep up with all instances where the same accusations DON'T line up with reality since some things tend to get forgotten with threads piling up.
Proverbs 18:17
17 The first one to plead his cause seems right,
Until his neighbor comes and examines him.
It is not hidden - except to anyone choosing to ignore it. It may be a shock to you - but that's good if it actually makes you pay attention to the fact that not everyone sees things as you do.
If anyone places words in their mouths (i.e. Dot, Thekla, etc.), it is only those who choose to not keep up with what they've already said - or actually ask them what they think directly. People can ask them on their profile - or PM them to see where the references in discussion were openly. Or go to Facebook where we chat as do other posters here.
And as said before, it's not really a problem to pull out PMs for verification on where there's a good bit of inconsistency in all of what you say. I don't care to since it'd be an embarrassment to you (as you've already done so with me/others SEVERAL times before with ease where there was blasting anyone you didn't like) - so trying to act innocent in public. If you were that adamant against it, one would be quick to actually acknowledge where they did it and did not intend to do so again. Otherwise, it tends to reflect Luke 18 on the Publician vs. the Tax Collector in what one chooses to proclaim.
Bottom line, it is no real surprise when one chooses to over-react the moment they are unable to handle criticism even while they are more than comfortable giving it however they see fit. It was already tacky choosing to not know when to keep commentary to oneself (as it concerns unwholesome talk/mocking without restraint) - as several other Orthodox have long noted whenever it has occurred to them as well from you - and as long as that doesn't get addressed, it's a distraction from actually dealing with issues.
... if you really found me as repugnant and intellectually inferior as you imply, then you'd stop replying and just let things die. If you truly "don't care" what I say, you wouldn't keep the debate going. But you do....
Reading into comments tends to indicate one wishes to see what they want. It's not a good choice - but one that people make nonetheless.
People don't automatically assume others are intellectually inferior (your words) simply because of not generally following what others say or taking it seriously. And as one brings up the accusation, it warrants addressment since it's rather apparent having my approval is something you seem very intent on gaining. It really shouldn't matter whether I follow you or not....
But as said before, what you say is
inconsequential - I don't look to it for Orthodoxy with regards to practice anymore than I would with others who are overly zealous as converts or bringing in fundamentalists mindsets instead of focusing on enjoying - From Thekla to Dorthea to Joshua G. to Daughter of Ararat to AV1 to Ortho Cat to seashale76 to Ignatius21 and several others others in the Eastern Orthodox world AS WELL as those in the Oriental Orthodox world too. They have enough sense knowing what Orthodoxy is truly about - we enjoy connecting on how Oriental Orthodoxy and Eastern Orthodoxy are BOTH Orthodox with regards to the Holy Orthodox Church. I am glad for other O
rthodox brothers and sisters in Faith , who love to truly
exchange ideas/process on the Early Church
and all its practices, TRuly mutual in desire for edification and knowing how to be relaxed when online (since they know how to agree to disagree agreeably) - I'm glad for the full respect we have with one another on multiple levels and where we encourage one another in Orthodoxy - and their lifestyles are ones I can honestly respect in all areas. This is not to say I don't have respect for you in certain points - or that we're not really able to have common ground on others. But honestly, You are not someone worth paying attention to in general - thus, why I tend NOT to follow your postings. Period.
If something of interest does come up, cool - but in general, it's not a focus. More specifically, IMHO, it seems more so that your own feelings are hurt whenever I don't really give any credibility to what you say or follow it as much as you think you're warranted.
Notice when he makes fun of you, you call it a "roast," but when I joke about your War and Peace posts, I get the full persecution bullying reaction! Interesting....And by the way, did you notice that in this thread when I was originally joking about your inability to write short posts, it was NOT me who brought it up, but rusmeister! He also got a free pass....
Not certain what the obsession is in being unable to move past focusing on others and actually focusing on the OP. It gives the impression one must seek affirmation from others who have already noted it not a priority what's said. Praying for you to find the affirmation you're seeking
...but as it concerns the issue, a "roast" is actually funny when it comes up so often and tends to be ironic. It also tends to be funny when it's the case that people don't choose to be overly-sensitive when it's done back.
Talking about being concise for once over the years is way off - but the comment gave me a chuckle nonetheless. However, interjecting randomly on the issue before anything of the sort was even done tends to lose humor. Like I said, it already occurred not too long ago when Philothei commented on appreciating some videos I sent (
as noted before) in response to one given by Yeshua Ha Derek....right after it seemed you
felt compelled to announce your own inability to check them out/proclaim (without evidence) that "No one checks those out!!"
. People get it already as it concerns being unable to resist mocking what one is not able to handle as others can.
Moreover, it's rather silly claiming people got a "free pass" - for rus didn't get a "free pass" on anything since he was addressed directly on the matter in the same post of
#273 alongside you as others have done before.
Moreover, as said before when you attempted another attempt at shots, people did a bit of jesting back with you - only you alone chose to make it into a point of drama as if it's that big of a deal. Like I said earlier, this was already done before in
#68 when unable to take jesting but only being able to speak i
t out as they see fit.....and it already happened with others as well (most notably with Yeshua Ha Derek when mocking him for his use of "Yeshua" in exaggerations of "Judaizing!!!" rather than dealing with other Orthodox from different cultures - and hen proceeding to rant on where you were offended when he noted it was insensitive . Other times beside that..
If one cannot handle it, one needs to not give it. It's a basic concept we tell others as Youth Workers and in the Education system. It applies here as much as anywhere else. If one wants to do jesting, they're free to do so - but to do so and try claiming others doing so back are wrong for it is not consistent. It is never warranted to even try teasing when one cannot show basic respect for who others are and learn to encourage MORE than taking time to simply mock. As I've noted to you before, this is a basic within West Indian/Latino culture - we love to joke ..but there's a fine line between doing so with permission (from people saying you're close enough for it) and thinking oneself entitled to doing it at every turn when you're not even good friends - which will likely get you into a fight VERY quick. It can be addressed rather easily, of course, when there's truly respect.
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It is what is is, Bruh - and again, if you want the last word, by all means (Proverbs 20:3).
Hoping we can get back to the OP.
